Jedi Dark Knight said:
You assume that there can actually BE rogue Jedi, which no where in the cannon has been stated there are any.
You're assuming that absence of evidence is de facto evidence of absence, a fallacy commonly committed by first-year logic students. That a force user could of their own free will choose to secede from the "Jedi Order" that is a political entity, yet retain Jedi ideals and beliefs, is a lot more reasonable and rational that assuming that anyone who can use the force and doesn't sign on with the "Jedi Order" automatically becomes an evil Sith dark-side user. Since your position is the more irrational, the burden of proof rests on you to demonstrate that there couldn't be a rogue Jedi, rather than just clinging to an argument from silence.
Anyone who uses the Force for evil reasons yes should be considered evil *as in sith* (if you disagree that's a different argument), evil as in provoque war, taking hostage Obi1 and using the (yes!) sith lightning...
This is just absurd. I don't recall the Force ever being used to provoke war in these fanedits; that was a political move, and a perfectly justified one if the corruption showcased in Ep. I is any indication. Taking Obi-Wan hostage was A.) provoked, since Obi-Wan was tresspassing on private property, and B.) not really even Dooku's doing in this fanedit. The Geonosians are the ones responsible for the execution, and Dooku appears to be an allied guest.
since Yoda who is just as powerful if not more than Dooku NEVER used it, the only other Force-user to use the lightning is Darth Sidious, a sith.
Again, an argument from silence, and a rather silly one. This is also a "poisoning the well" fallacy. Just because an evil person uses a Force power, doesn't mean that everyone else who uses it must also be evil. I might just as easily argue that Luke is evil since he uses "Sith Choke" in ROTJ, and the only other person who uses that power is Vader, a sith. But of course, that would be silly and irrational, so I only bring it up for the sake of comparison.
Obi-Wan cuts off the arms in self defense, you can argue Dooku was using it in self defense to, but then why not just spar? after all they are using lightsabers not blasters like Zam and with Dr Evazan we don't know what he was going to pull out, the Bartender yelled "no blasters" but that happens so quick that we don't know, but with Dooku We DO know, they where sparring and Dooku went for the cutting move.
So? Obi-Wan does the same during a lightsaber duel in ROTS; do you intend to argue that he, too, is a sith?
One quick burst makes no difference *he just used the Dark side once* c'mon, it's sith lightning, if you don't see it how that is more evil than hurling your enemies then you should understand what sith lightning does, EU you argue? fine, then don't but it does affect more than hurling.
I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're getting at; the jumbled grammar is incredibly confusing and difficult to decode. But I think you're saying that force lighting is sith lighting because it's sith lighting (which is pure tautology; you cannot win an argument simply by repeating yourself ad infinitum, ad nauseum), and that it does affect the person against whom it is directed moreso than telekenisis would (which is demonstrably untrue, since Anakin just a few moments later springs back into action with all all the vigor and enthusiasm he had before.) As for the EU, I don't recall ever bringing it up. Review my posts, if you like.
More so, if you wanna keep Dooku a "rogue Jedi" (which you can in the end whatever..) why would a Rogue Jedi be in league with Darth Sidious, we know the separatists where with him (Grievous talks to him as Master) and he was with the separatists. To take Doooku out of the sith order as it seems you wanna go it's not just changing his color and leaving out the "sith parts" it's also about behavior.....
As JasonN has explained (and as you would know if you'd carefully watched these edits), there is absolutely no collaboration in these films between Sidious and the Seperatist movement, or between Sidious and Dooku. As for Dooku's behavior, I fail to see how it's any more sithish than any of the Jedi in these films. Could you demonstrate any place that he actually does anything evil? As I recall, he attended a business meeting on an allied planet, which is crashed by hostile invaders. Dooku tries to establish a treaty with the invaders, thereby persuading the Geonosians to spare their lives, but they refuse, so Dooku is helpless to do anything more. At the last minute, the invaders' army shows up, so Dooku tries to escape. Two Jedi corner him and engage (remember, Anakin made the first move, so the lightning was in self-defense). Dooku out-duels and neutralizes them, but mercifully allows them to live. In the third film, he takes Palpatine (a.k.a. Darth Sidious) as a political prisoner, and is mercilessly decapitated by the same Jedi that he had earlier spared in an attempt to prevent a rescue operation.
Heck, compared to the overwhelming majority of proper Jedi in these films, Dooku comes out smelling rosy! Going by JasonN's edits, if I was involved in the Clone Wars, I'd sign up with the Separatists: they're the ones seeking to end the corrupt Republic that is under direct control of the Sith Lord that you so eschew.
So just because it's not called sith lightning in the movies specifically you dismiss it? maybe you want Rick Ollie saying "look there's sith-lightning, he must be a Sith! and it looks painful" you want that level of exposition in the movie? oooook! I though you hated it and that's why you edited in AOTF (good call btw). How about Yoda NEVER using it, are we to assume then that the Emperor is more powerful than Yoda? or that Yoda simply doesn't want to use it (because it's painful - look at Luke's/Anakin's face, IT hurts)?
Again, with the seemingly unending arguments from silence! How do you know the Yoda never uses it? Just because it isn't shown? Talk about faulty logic! There are plenty of rational arguments for why we never see Yoda use force lightning. Perhaps because, as he demonstrates in the theatrical cuts, it's too easy to deflect. Perhaps because he personally prefers other techniques. Perhaps because his species is unable to use it. Perhaps he has used lightning, but it's never shown onscreen simply because we don't ever see him fight (save for decapitating the clonetroopers on Kashyyyk). The list could go on and on and on, but you blockheadedly insist that the only reason must be that it's evil. This line of argumentation is laughably absurd.
3. I hate EU too, but the notion that Jedi can leave the Republic and be Dark/Rogue/Independent/Purple/Freelance Jedi or any of that non-sense is EU too. BTW.
The reason being that it makes perfect sense. Why wouldn't they be able to? With how over-the-top preachy, restrictive, and Pharisaical the PT Jedi Order is, why wouldn't droves of Jedi leave and start their own order? Or go vigilante-Jedi? As I've said before, your position is the more irrational, so you need to demonstrate why it wouldn't be possible rather than just unremittingly repeating your assertion.
