it's a good question, from a geographic point of view indeed Bespin would have no horizon since it has no ground, but maybe if you have taken a flight with a window seat you have seen a "cloud horizon"? it's funny you see clouds bellow you and sometimes clouds above, I admit this maybe an illusion but could that work as a horizon?
Oh god... ok I'm done lol I'm not hi-jacking Ady's thread to argue over theoretical discussions over what a horizon line is, if you have to have it explained to you PLEASE seek an elementary art class at your local college lol if yur curious about why the world always behaves in perspective regardless of your fixed point on earth, try googling Holographic Universe.
Saw the trailer looks DAMN GOOD. I'll wait to discuss it further next week, I figure with this being all were getting for the next year why rush to the fun :P
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You're not getting it - I know there's a horizon line, I'm just saying we wouldn't see a division between the clouds and ground as shown in sgdelta's mockup. I don't get why you can't seem to differentiate between the artistic idea of a horizon line from a perspective standpoint and a visual, actual HORIZON that you can see which divides the ground and the sky.
Chainsaw- You would never seee a Sun below you even if there were no actual earth/solid on the planet, as the sun moved to the opposite side of the gassy planet it would disappear along the same horizon line the occurs here on earth. I know what you are saying it just doesnt make any sense whatsoever, lol Really, if you want to talk more about it PM me lets drop it this is not the thread for it.
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sgdelta1771 said:
I like the mood you gave ;) Still the sun isnt there if you follow the slave one shadows.
I like the clouds you add in the bottom.
The perspective seems to be off in the original image as well.
The buildings count i put was similar to GOUT because i like the isolation and the slave is somewhere high. We see our heroes to go to several elevators :)
Nice to see Other mockups/effords :)
-Angel
porkinsred6 said:I thought of another change to make in the movie. I hope this doesn't get lost in the pile of trailer comments.
I think it would be cool to show yoda actually doing something to the ship so Luke can't control his landing when trying to land on degobah. Right now it isn't clear why the ship goes all crazy and luke crashes. Do you think it is a good idea to add somekind of flash or some other indication that the x-wing has a power outage or EMP blast or something. This could imply that yoda is controlling the ship so it lands near him instead of on the other side of the planet.
what do you think?
I like this idea. Well, maybe not an EMP blast or any arching electricity or anything like that on the ship, but maybe something like the lights on the control panel just blinking out. Even a wisp of smoke from behind a control panel would be nice. Just a hint of the problem works for me.
that would make since for the fact that obi-wan never told him where exactly to land. it would be meer coincidence that he'd land near yoda's hut.
In regards to Luke's Landing...
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Ganamae said:would those of you who does not like snakes and lizards have Adywans whisk them out or add small horns on them, give them different coliurs and strange eyes to make them look more as alien..things?! o.0
I think i's ok to have them there, sure some of the puppets can ge made to look more alive :)
definately keep them in , they add a lot to the creepy atmosphere of the cave, but if anything can be done to make them seem a little more alien, such as colouring, horns etc that would be great.
as far as showing Yoda being involved in Lukes X-wing crashing, does it need to be that obvious? Yoda obviously hid the planet in a simiar way that Kamino didn't appear on any charts, with his abilities in the force he would have sensed Luke's shp approaching and travelled to meet him, Yoda probably did bring the ship down in the right place , but isn't more interesting if you leave it up to the imagination or just a lucky coincidence. sometimes the more you show tends to lessen the impact and meaning of what is happening.
buddy-x-wing said:Ganamae said:would those of you who does not like snakes and lizards have Adywans whisk them out or add small horns on them, give them different coliurs and strange eyes to make them look more as alien..things?! o.0
I think i's ok to have them there, sure some of the puppets can ge made to look more alive :)
definately keep them in , they add a lot to the creepy atmosphere of the cave, but if anything can be done to make them seem a little more alien, such as colouring, horns etc that would be great.
as far as showing Yoda being involved in Lukes X-wing crashing, does it need to be that obvious? Yoda obviously hid the planet in a simiar way that Kamino didn't appear on any charts, with his abilities in the force he would have sensed Luke's shp approaching and travelled to meet him, Yoda probably did bring the ship down in the right place , but isn't more interesting if you leave it up to the imagination or just a lucky coincidence. sometimes the more you show tends to lessen the impact and meaning of what is happening.
If you watch the film with eyes of someone who has never seen it. You feel like luke. He's on an odd planet. Its foggy and scary. You don't think yoda is just gonna pop up. Making it seem like Yoda did it is extra icing on the cake (which too much can be bad) I like the way it has been in every release. Luke enters the atmosphere. It is too foggy for him to see(to foggy even for the xwing's scopes to see). And he crashes in water. Why is that not good enough? Of course ady will probably keep it the way it is any way. But I fully agree buddy x wing. Viewers get spoonfed more every day. This isn't dora the explorer it is a movie that the mind of even a toddler can understand. Fog-Water-Yoda. SWIPER NO SWIPING
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sketchrob said:There's always a horizon line, perspective doesnt stop and start on one fixed line in reality, everywher you look there is a horizon line... as Yoda would say.. "it surrounds us... binds us... ties the galaxy together" lol if you would like to study up on basic camera techniques and theory I suggest a text book called "Shot by Shot".
Funny... I have that book.
But anyway, I had to wait 12 hours before I could go home and download the trailer... that was the longest day ever! Great way to end the day though!
As for an issue that bothers me a bit... is it me, or is the size perspective between the Millennium Falcon and the Star Destroyer Avenger inconsistent during the last chase before Han Solo outsmarts Captain Needa by hiding behind the SD?
In at least one shot, the Falcon either shrinks a LOT, or the SD grows to be the size of the Super Star Destroyer, then their sizes seem to go back to normal.
In the first two shots, the Falcon and the SD look about right.
Suddenly the Falcon shrunk a lot, and is barely seen around the area of the deflector shield ball thingy.
Okay thats much better for size perspective.
Looks right to me.
Maybe the Falcon looks a tiny bit bigger than it did before, now that it is physically touching the back of the SD by being parked on it? Should it not be maybe a little smaller looking here, since it is now THAT close to the SD? I don't know.
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I dont think that the MF is growing or shrinking. Its all about from what angle you shoot it.
Also the MF has the correct size when it passes the bridge and after when its landed at the back.
Im considering more the way that the Falcon shows up when it flies in front bridge. With that particular angle it should hit the SD surface.
Also in the third pic you posted some frames before and later we see some flashes when the lasers hit the shields of MF.
Ady: i remember some tests you were doing when the MF escapins from the 2 SDs in ANH revisited. in one of them you had replaced the flashes with higher definition exlposions/flashes. Are you going to do something similar?
-Angel
EyeShotFirst said:Jedi Dark Knight said:Jar-Jar? "I have a bad feeling about this"...as a side note: I can't imagine what pushed GL to creat a creature such as Jar Jar....he could have gone with something "chewie" like and have that character be the "Chewie" of the PT for Anakin, of course he could have died at the end or what ever but why pursue a creature so.....utterly..........OK! Back to ESB.
Among one of those things of doing "something just because you can", how about showing the googles of the AT-AT that recognize the power generator be more flashhy? hehehe ok, turbolaser time now.....
I know how to make jar jar stand able. Re-dub his voice. Ah ha. He can keep a Jamaican accent but a cooler Jamaican accent. Like he's about to roll up a big fatty in the middle of tattooine. More like Hermes from Futurama.
Magnoliafan's Balance of the Force TPM re-edit did that, he gave him an alien voice with subtitles, which I think is the best way to go. He completely change Jar Jar's character with the new dialogue, from the thing he was before into a sort of arrogant prick character, which I actually enjoyed (I can't believe I typed that, I atually enjoyed having Jar Jar on screen).
I think the trick was in realising that GL's Jar Jar was hated because he was supposed to be amusing but came off as annoying. MF's Jar Jar was still annoying, but he was *supposed* to be annoying, so he wasn't hated.
vaderios said:I dont think that the MF is growing or shrinking. Its all about from what angle you shoot it.
Also the MF has the correct size when it passes the bridge and after when its landed at the back.
Im considering more the way that the Falcon shows up when it flies in front bridge. With that particular angle it should hit the SD surface.
Angel is completely right in this. I have made a very helpful little...well not so little, pic to help show this
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That always bugged me too actually
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Going by the windows in the third pod down I'd say the Falcon is too big when clamped on the back but it's clearly charging a ship with a type two pod so who knows?:
vaderios said:I dont think that the MF is growing or shrinking. Its all about from what angle you shoot it.
Also the MF has the correct size when it passes the bridge and after when its landed at the back.
Also in the third pic you posted some frames before and later we see some flashes when the lasers hit the shields of MF.
-Angel
But in the 2nd and 3rd shot, look at the closeness of the SD to the camera, as compared with the distance of the MF. In the 2nd shot, the SD looks further away from the camera than in the 3rd shot, angled or not, while the MF is closer in the 2nd shot, but incredibly far away in the 3rd shot, looking more like the size of the Jedi Starfighter from ROTS than being the big ship that the MF is.
It just bugs me how small the MF looks in the 3rd shot. If the SD were further away from the camera it would at least look accurate and match with the other shots. So a way to fix this would be to either start with a closer image of the MF in the first frame of the shot, or pull the SD further into the background.
The final shot, of the MF hiding, I can definitely live with, but it still seems like it might be just the tiniest bit too big looking compared to how it looks in the rest of the shots. But that doesn't bother me nearly as much as that 3rd shot.
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yeah strange that, perhaps Adywan will fix something here, I ahve always thought of this scene as a bit ....strange.
How do they manage to avoid the rest of the command tower and why is the falcon so big..
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One of the shots is wrong going by the bridge size in the type three pod (but as I said this Destroyer has a type two pod therefore the scale maybe different, it might even be more out of scale as it's impossible to see where those windows might be in a that pod).
We know the Tantive is much bigger than the Falcon and fits into the main hanger at the bottom.
My instincts tell me that the shot of the Falcon parked on the side is the most off of the set and the Falcon should be smaller (which might make it necessary to bring the Avenger closer so we can clearly see the Falcon).
But it's Ady's call.
Maybe the point of the scene is to show how good a pilot Han is and also the tricks he is willing to pull, rather than the physical factibility of the Falcon just approaching the bridge and then off-screen shifting the angle to go parallel up the front of the SD bridge and turn so that it can land in the back. hehe
Maybe the point of the scene was to show something dramatic, rather than be 100% anally-retentive nit-picky correct about every little detail right down to the last goddamn fraction of a millimeter. *wink*
MJPollard said:Maybe the point of the scene was to show something dramatic, rather than be 100% anally-retentive nit-picky correct about every little detail right down to the last goddamn fraction of a millimeter. *wink*
No that's what were here for ;-)
Seriously, I think with some things it's ok to be "romantically" correct rather than "physically" correct.
