Hunter6 said:
This New film is just Messy and lazy writing, also film-making.
The Delta Vega problem is one thing most trek-fans are puzzling about.
Delta Vega in this movie is a ice world (moon?) by vulcan in which old spock, Scotty (just happens to be too) and kirk (just happens to be also) thrown on.
The Delta Vega problem is that Delta Vega is NOT an ice-world nor is it be by vulcan.
Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman's Messy and lazy writing is in action here.
The Delta Vega problem is an major error by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman.
They used the wrong name for the ice-moon by vulcan.
Even in the new timeline of this film, Star Trek: Enterprise is still canon (hell even scotty talks about Archer in the new film) because the alternating of the timeline is 100 years after the event of Star Trek: Enterprise.
The ice-moon by Vulcan is Andoria and NOT Delta Vega.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorian
See Messy and lazy writing.
Man, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are dumb-a@@**
Ridiculous. Andorians are from a different system entirely. Just because it's cited as being "near vulcan" and an ice planet does not make it Andoria. The Andorian and Vulcan homeworlds are light-years apart, and one could never see the destruction of Vulcan from the surface of Andoria, not even with a Vulcan naked eye.
I agree that the ice moon (and it being Delta Vega, last seen in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", though it is obvious from the film itself that "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is not considered in-continuity (that is, Prime continuity) by the writers of the film) was an asspull, but at least it was fun. Would have been a lot better if Spock was on the surface of T'Khut, Vulcan's "twin." (see http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/T'Khut ) But I just accepted it as a previously-unmentioned frozen body in the Vulcan (40 Eridani) system, just far enough outside Vulcan's orbit (or perhaps tidally locked and always enough in Vulcan's shadow) to have such a difference in climate. Still, in a triple star system like 40 Eri, it doesn't seem likely that so close to an oppressively hot, arid planet would be a frozen one (and who knows if the whole thing is frozen anyway, or if Kirk just landed on some sort of ice cap -- I don't recall what the establishing shot of the planet looked like).
"'Vulcan has no moon,' various Vulcans have been heard to remark: accurate as always, when speaking scientifically. 'Damn right it doesn't,' at least one Terran has responded: 'It has a nightmare.'" (Spock's World by Diane Duane)
From how it was written, and the allusions to a several of the better Star Trek novels, I think I'm pretty safe in saying that Kurtzman and Orci are Trekkies like us. I highly enjoyed the film, even with all the time-tampering and subsequent invalidation of every series. All of that happened; if it hadn't, Ambassador Spock wouldn't remember it, or he would have ceased to exist as soon as he arrived in the past. Every legend has to have an end: in Christianity, you have the Apocalypse and New Creation, and the binding of Satan; in Norse mythology, there's Ragnarok, the death of the Gods, and the Frost Giants triumphing; in Greek mythology, Zeus would be overthrown and the world cast into darkness; etc. For Batman, it's The Dark Knight Returns, and for Superman, Kingdom Come. In Trek, the end of the future is technological, and mired in time travel, quite fitting to a science-fiction universe, and not only this, but the rebirth of the franchise into a new universe, a new 'creation' if you will, mirrors the rebirth aspects of a lot of the mythological cycles I listed above. Not to mention the fantastic possibilities of a new Trek universe, with all the stops pulled out. Would be kinda neat if they toss off references to things that wouldn't have been changed by Nero's mucking about in the future (v'ger, the whale probe) -- of course, that's twenty (filmic) years down the pipe, but it would be cool to find out that for some reason, it's a completely different crew that saves earth in those incidents, while Kirk and co are on watch at the neutral zone or something.
One thing that did bother me was how fast they promoted Kirk to captain following his graduation from the Academy.