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Janskeet said:
Bingowings said:

Yeah, that old chestnut.

I was rolling that one around with Angel this morning.

If George and the team had their wits around them they would have put the big golden target in a camonet cloak and the loud silver blue and white one too.

If camotroopers are a doable thing, than maybe that could be too (i'm just not sure if any of those things are doable without reshooting every scene they are in).

Still 4ft long Star Destroyers are popping out of the Adywan factory and there are a lot of other talent lads and ladies here.

I think we have to learn to unlearn.

It doesn't sound like Adywan will get around to ROTJ: R until 2010 or 2011. Perhaps by then, software will have improved to the point where it is easy to do those kinds of things, but I doubt it.

 

I'm sure they had the technology in 1982 to make camotroopers, they just chose not to. Maybe the Empire was so overconfident they didn't see anything as much of a threat, camo or not.

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Just in case this is what Camo3PO might look like (look George action figure bucks!):

Camo3PO

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DO NOT WANT! kidding, i really think things look fine as they are costume wise, It seems a little over the top. I'm all for endor being the magical forest world it should be, minus the sun staff and all that,lol. Maybe taller trees, a more dramatic landscape in the distance, but sometimes simplicity is best. Balance.

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Sevb32 said:
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EyeShotFirst said:
ben_danger said:

maybe too radical, and i dont know why or how this could be done, but maybe somehow leia could have it, and she could give it to luke to where, repeating anakin's line from TPM 'it will bring you luck' (i think he says that.:P)

 

i am assuming that ROTS:R wont have padme dying, to fit in with her surviving until leia is young enough to remember her, and thus perhaps give it to her.

Adywan isn't gonna go to that kind of trouble for a necklace. Plus, Leia is the daughter of a great jedi. She may think she remembers her mother were in turn she actually has felt her mother. The jedi are hard to understand in that sense. But life finds a way in the star wars universe to continue. Another thing keeping padme alive would be damn near impossible. It would tear the saga apart. and thus be a great continuity error which i hear ady doesn't like continuity errors.

 

 

i didnt mean keeping padme alive for the OT, but just not killing her off in ROTS, surely leia saying she remembered her mother as a child, yet somehow dying a few minutes after she was born is a continuity error, as you said ady doesn't like continuity errors. why doesnt luke remember her if its felt through the force? that all sounds a bit like an excuse really.

the necklace i thought was just an interesting conversation topic. i should think that the ROTJ should reference some PT elements (depending on what ady does with the PT) as it should wrap things up a bit more.

 

Well, it's not all bad, if Leia had said something like "I remember her and I played together when I was 3." or something similar it would have been an ironclad plot hole, but being the way Leia says it. "Just images really....feelings." it can work in the context of the SW Universe, but it would not work here on Earth in real life. We are not force sensitive, Leia is. Why can't Luke remember? It's like saying why someone can remember something an another at the same event cannot. Leia seems more connected to her mother, and Luke more to his father.

Thank you for explaining my point. Leia was raised with knowledge of her mother too.

 

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Why would the empire need camo. They were not really expecting an attack. They were just standing around guarding the generator.

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EyeShotFirst said:

Why would the empire need camo. They were not really expecting an attack. They were just standing around guarding the generator.

 


i guess they wouldnt need guns either lol!:P maybe it would just be cool to see the scoutys in green?

.frank.

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Bingowings said:

Endor Waterfall

That sir is Epic Win!

In fact works so better!

The empire Polutes the endor through waters! Yo joe!!


-Angel

 

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EyeShotFirst said:

Why would the empire need camo. They were not really expecting an attack. They were just standing around guarding the generator.

 

Actually, they were expecting an attack. It was the emperor who allowed the rebels to know the location of the shield generator, and an entire legion of his best troops awaited them. For this reason, I'm afraid the deflector shield was quite operational when Luke's friends arrived.

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Bobocop said:
EyeShotFirst said:

Why would the empire need camo. They were not really expecting an attack. They were just standing around guarding the generator.

 

Actually, they were expecting an attack. It was the emperor who allowed the rebels to know the location of the shield generator, and an entire legion of his best troops awaited them. For this reason, I'm afraid the deflector shield was quite operational when Luke's friends arrived.

And yet they still got their asses handed to them by a bunch of teddy bears using arrows and rocks.... sorry Emperor, I must call "bullsh*t" on that one. :P

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Bobocop said:

It was the emperor who allowed the rebels to know the location of the shield generator, and an entire legion of his best troops awaited them. For this reason, I'm afraid the deflector shield was quite operational when Luke's friends arrived.

 

didnt freud name that a 'Ric Ollie' slip?:P

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Bingowings said:

If the Naboo can take advantage of waterfalls for power why not the Empire?

Endor Waterfall

 

 as cool as that is, i don't think endor would have waterfalls due to the fact its supposed to be all forest. about 3po. he's impossible to camalflouge with that gold on. r2 is prolly easier to hid due to that fact is colors aren't as bright.

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Its still all forest ;) but more interesting! try to see that image at night, when vader lands. The sound of waterfalls combining with lights= awesome. And will not occure problem with the later scenes because the bunker will be far from teh water falls.

Still when we see the dish gets explode a new matte or a more dramatic angle is good.

IMO always :)

 

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Bingowings said:

Just in case this is what Camo3PO might look like (look George action figure bucks!):

Camo3PO

The problem then though is it would be hard to see him. Same with the camotroopers.

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So much for the Ewoks worshipping their golden idol.

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Janskeet said:
Bingowings said:

Just in case this is what Camo3PO might look like (look George action figure bucks!):

Camo3PO

The problem then though is it would be hard to see him. Same with the camotroopers.

Well that's sort of the point.

 

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That scene sucks. Basicaly ROTJ has the same bad lighting with ANH ( strong sharp shadows)

I tried to eliminate some of them and reduce the blacks.

 

I enhance the screen so the middle one shows the rebels approach the death star and the front one to show several shit of the shield generator.

Also new panels.

-Angel

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Sevb32 said:

So much for the Ewoks worshipping their golden idol.

I don't see it as a problem if this change was made, most forest cultures worship some kind of tree spirit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man his shining eyes would look like the sun through the trees.

I never bought the idea that the Ewoks would worship Threepio just because he was a droid (the Imperials have been on the planet for some time and they have been doing much more godlike).

Which was why I suggested that Threepio looked like an already worshipped God

3PO God

And that when they are about to cook the hero's Threepio projected frightening holograms around him:

MaulPO

 

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Its still all forest ;) but more interesting! try to see that image at night, when vader lands. The sound of waterfalls combining with lights= awesome. And will not occure problem with the later scenes because the bunker will be far from teh water falls.

Still when we see the dish gets explode a new matte or a more dramatic angle is good.

IMO always :)

 

-Angel

It will add pathos too if you factor in the PT because Vader will be thinking about Naboo all the time he is talking to his son.

 

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Bingowings said:
Sevb32 said:

So much for the Ewoks worshipping their golden idol.

I don't see it as a problem if this change was made, most forest cultures worship some kind of tree spirit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man his shining eyes would look like the sun through the trees.

I never bought the idea that the Ewoks would worship Threepio just because he was a droid (the Imperials have been on the planet for some time and they have been doing much more godlike).

Which was why I suggested that Threepio looked like an already worshipped God

3PO God

And that when they are about to cook the hero's Threepio projected frightening holograms around him:

MaulPO

 

That would be cool. Since R2-D2's memory was never wiped, he would remember seeing Darth Maul way back in TPM.

 

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Maul is just a surving suggestion, R2 must have seen hundreds of things which an Ewok would find frightening.

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rcb said:
Bingowings said:

If the Naboo can take advantage of waterfalls for power why not the Empire?

 

 as cool as that is, i don't think endor would have waterfalls due to the fact its supposed to be all forest. about 3po. he's impossible to camalflouge with that gold on. r2 is prolly easier to hid due to that fact is colors aren't as bright.

It's really the Iguazu Falls in some of the most dense forest on Earth (besides the moon isn't all forest because we can see the oceans and polar ice caps, the Ewok films showed us mountains and grass plains too).

 

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Bingowings said:

It would be nice to mix up the types of trees (huge oversized red woods, ten times the size they should be with thin impossibly tall bamboo like plants that sort of thing).

Make it look more like an enchanted forests of myth.

But mixing in with the shot footage would be a real bugger (it's not like doing Hoth which is mostly wide open ice planes with mountains in the background).

Ewok totems would be nice too (as well as the nasty stormies on pikes I suggested earlier).

It's a shame the creatures in the Ewok films were done on the cheap because there were some nice designs (even if they were realised in really bad stop motion and men in suits, though no superfast bunny rabbits please).

I really liked the look of the Blurrgs for example but not the way they ended up on screen (I haven't seen them in the Clone Wars series but they look like the sort of thing that could be done well if the models were better).

Blurrg

Hmm, maybe the Ewoks eat these guys (there version of buffalo) and it is from hunting these that the Ewoks use the same tactics to "hunt" the Scout Walkers...

Has anyone thought of using scenes from LEGEND or DARK CRYSTAL?  I don't know how it could work, but just an idea (be it for scenes or creature designs, like the stilt creatures)...

         

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Yes, yes. Make the Endor moon more exotic. As I suggested a few pages back, how about some immense trees that look impossibly large. Make it look like an enchanted forest.

Awesome mockup of the landing pad bingowings

 

What about playing with the idea that the empire is clearing the forest moon for eventual settlement and industrialisation.

Something akin to Miyazaki's Mononoke.

The ewoks resent this. They've lost traditional hunting and burial grounds to the development, and their numbers are dwindling.

 

Maybe take that mockup with the so. american falls and have half of it being cleared, especially around the landing platform.

Maybe some shots of clear cuts and stuff.