The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 42

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.

-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.

-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.

-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...

Josh said:

I did not know Geonosis was such a popular vacation spot. lol I think the bugs are fine as it is, but why do they sound like there at a football game? I love the color correction by the way.

It's not a matter of popularity as the separatists are gathering to celebrate the beginning of their master plan to destroy Palpatine.  I see it as no different as the rebels are a mixture of humans and aliens, so why not the Separatists/Pre-rebels?

On the clip itself, it's definitely getting there!  I see some more changes that could be made to perfect it:

(1) redubbing Hayden ala the SHROUD OF THE DARK SIDE edit clips on youtube (are more adult voice) and some editing of Padme (she doesn't need to say "madly, deeply love you" when just the doe-eye stare will do it)

(2) agree that when Jabba speaks the crowd lessens in intensity to listen.   For reference, check out QUO VADIS, SPARTACUS, BEN HUR and even GLADIATOR as far as the "whole" colliseum" feel - when the "Emperor" speaks, how the crowd reacts as the lions/gladiators first come in, etc.

(3) try different tribal chanting to go with the general crowd noise.  Try ZULU, KING KONG (1976) which has a very scary tribe sequence you can pull from.

(4) have some quick edits of the crowd to work in scenes from say GLADIATOR and use FX to alter the costumes of the people to better fit in the SW universe.

(5) maybe play with the colors of the stadium and the rock so it stands out better from the sand - maybe add some flags and the like to incorporate some color.

(6) LOVE the T-rex roar (though that is something you can play with B_D; King Kong's [1933 or 1976] mixed with something else; creature sounds from JC's THE THING... just as long as the monster roars don't sound too "goofy"); remember to include the stomping of the feet though when the 1st monster comes in.

Now Ben_Danger, I don't expect you to do all of this so much as this is just a general list of what could be added via Ady's skill level.  I understand that this is still a proof of concept overall.


Also, the tribal music was bugging me in that I KNOW I've heard it some place before... until I remembered: that's the muzak that was playing in the gun shop in the 1978 DAWN OF THE DEAD!

ben_danger said:

ooooh, really cool ideas SSWR. it makes great use of dialogue that is usually cut. i especially liked the lift part.

 

been thinking of a few ideas for an AOTC edit, trying to orientate it to a noir detective story that phases into the pulp jungle (indiana jones) ending. maybe we could bounce some of them around a bit to see if theyd work?

 

two key ideas are:

either an opening or early on in the film, BEFORE padmes attack, there are a series of assassinations on senators, maybe a characteristic bomb is seen? a cool scene, would be the deleted scene of padme addressing the senate, only for a bomb to interrupt her which kills some more senators. this would hopefully make her seem in more danger. im guessing the assassination attempt upon her would have to be viewed before the senate bomb.

obi wan doesnt discover the clones, they are not clones of jango. he finds jango somewhere else perhaps, and follows hm to geonosis. maybe the jedi start to question why the seperatists are trying to assassinate the only senators who are against the creation of the clone army. the clone army isnt a secret, and is perhaps a small experimental program, that needs the go ahead for full production

a possible alternative opening? maybe something to do with the seperatists, or the clones.

I'm liking these ideas, ben_danger. I'm not sure how you would rearrange the whole Jango/clone plot but it's worth discussing. I really do like the idea of more senators deaths. A bomb in the deleted senate scene could maybe work...I also like the idea of empty pods in that scene as well...showing that there have been others leaving the crumbling republic. (I forget who originally suggested this)

An alternate opening? That might be cool...I think it would still have to be similar in style...just like all of the other movies...

Thanks for the feedback too! :D

ben_danger said:

anakin on various hormone medication. i personally like -150 and -200 pitch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKTPNL7piU&feature=channel_page

I think the -200 setting is a bit too low. The -150 setting sounds good.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

...

The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.

I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.

I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.

Keep it up.

-Angel

For some reason Ben, you bring back alot of memories from the Shoud of the Dark Side thread, Although I was not a member way back then, I followed every word and every page (A little crazy lol) But that's because tropperman created a real Prequal Radical Redux on AOTC. I urge you to read the whole thread, the whole thing, every debate, ideas will flood your mind like never before, the film is still alive, just staggnated awhile, paul's got the audio right now, and hopefully someone can finish the color correction.

*cough learn aftereffects vaderois cough*

I'm sorry I sound like a spokesperson, I just have that much faith in that film, Even after years waiting. So please read http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Episode-II-Shroud-of-the-Dark-Side-MAIN-EDITOR-PaulisDead2221/topic/1895/  Most pics arn't working anymore, as well as the old trailer and clips, years old. Keep the ideas coming!

Hey Ben-D,

Here's the DOTD link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsCvStgocYo&feature=related

and some others:
KING KONG (1976)
War chants in ZULU and GLADIATOR

ben_danger said:

-150 it is then!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU-rBvjqo_0&feature=channel_page

 

another vid, to follow the idea of a 'not interested in padme' anakin. i think he should grow to her as she does to him. the scene wil hopefully make him seem loyal to jedi ideals, although it does seem a bit lifeless. ive HEAVILY editted the dialogue, added some inflections that will hopefully allow it to flow differently. just wish it was a bit longer.

also theres colour correction, and anakin has a deeper voice! attempted to add some inflection to padme's 'are you not allowed to love?' as if she is after him.

music is luke and leias theme from ROTJ, and sound from a sushi bar.

Now this I like a lot, it seems SOO much more natural.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

-Tried making Anakin a likeable guy.

-I've removed the first part of the Palpy office scene thinking (*IF* it should even be used) it could be moved to later in the film.

-Oh! And why the hell does Palpy have to be behind EVERY plot point?! I've removed any sort of reference to that.

-I still don't know what to do with the Jedi and Padme conversation...

For the most part I love it, but the bit at the begining where they are suddenly at Palps office is a little jarring but apart from that it looks great,

I hate that I can't view any of your clips on my iPhone (or reply to any of the comments for that matter)

ben_danger said:

anakin on various hormone medication. i personally like -150 and -200 pitch

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKTPNL7piU&feature=channel_page

Any chance you could do this with JarJar???

BarBar Jinkx said:

ben_danger said:

anakin on various hormone medication. i personally like -150 and -200 pitch

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKTPNL7piU&feature=channel_page

 

Any chance you could do this with JarJar???

I love anakins lower voice makes him much closer to Vader lol

makes him less whiny too lmao.

Mite have a go at editing the footage with anakin and padme on balcony soon lol

Davnes007 said:

ben_danger said:

anakin on various hormone medication. i personally like -150 and -200 pitch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKTPNL7piU&feature=channel_page

I think the -200 setting is a bit too low. The -150 setting sounds good.

 

 

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Thought this video might stir up a few things ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhIsXqzs_14

It's rough but what do ya think?

...

 

The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.

 

 Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)

I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?

And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...But why does Palpatine have to be behind every possible plot point? Can't some things just happen? In my ideal version the Palpatine/Sidious reveal would hardly be suggested at all...until of course ROTS. I would remove that obvious close up shot of Palps at the end of TPM...anything remotely like that...until ROTS...THEN it becomes a surprise just like the Vader/father thing in ESB.

Sorry 007, I'm not upset at you...that's just been on my mind ;)

vaderios said:

I Like the clip. Anakin dont be an ass as usual.

I didnt like the last part of the extra scenes that can explained by the later dialogue.

Keep it up.

-Angel

Thank you Angel. Are you referring to the Jedi-and-security-searching-the-building-scene? Yeah...just an idea...hoping it might build a little tension...

ben_danger said:

if anyone wants to, we could agree on a framework, and build a rough edit of AOTC via connected mockups on youtube, via  a playlist? some of my bits could go with SSWR bits, and then just make some little clips to connect them. it would be rough, but maybe create a decent framework for someone more....obsessive.....

This could be fun! I'm not sure how consistant I can be with submiting videos (real life takes over quite a bit) but yeah...  :D

ben_danger, I was thinking about the idea of more senators being killed and a bomb going off in a senate meeting and I had an idea for a scene...

Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."

-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators

-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face

Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."

-reactions from the senate

-close up of Palps

-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."

Something like that...what do you think?

ben_danger said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Palpatine: "May I remind the...blah blah...peace is our objective here. Not war."

-bomb goes off in the building blowing up a pod (or two) and killing the senators

-hologram appears (as if the security has been hijacked) of Dooku's face

Dooku: "The republic cannot be fixed. It is time to start over."

-reactions from the senate

-close up of Palps

-wipe to Palps office "I will not let this republic be split in two."

Something like that...what do you think?

 

how do you figure this stuff out? that would work amazingly!

 

i also agree on making palps as nice as possible, maybe even making him seem innocent to the point of idiocy. kind of related to the palpatine innocence point, is that if dooku is not a sith, AOTC could be sith/red lightsaber free, thus maybe even allowing us to forget about sidious, so maybe furthering him from that identity even more.

Are you talking about the whole purple saber for Dooku? Or removing his lightsaber battling completely?

kind of forgeting about Sidious in AOTC? yesssss..... :D

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Davnes007 said:

The only thing I diagree with is having Yoda say 'I Agree' immediately after Palpy says '...the situation is that serious'. I miss the funny look Yoda gives him.

 Thanks for the feedback, 007! :)

I've never liked that shot of Yoda. All of the muscles in his face never stop moving!...?

And WHY is Yoda concerned about Palpatine suggesting this at all? He's wanting to protect Padme. Of course, it turns out that he was trying to put Padme with Anakin blah blah...

I always thought that when Palpy finished Padme's sentence, Yoda looked at Palpy as if to say/think "WTF?...finished Padme's sentence he just did, the force he is using?" (yes, Yoda even thinks in 'Yoda-ese', lol).

So, it's not 'the plan' that Yoda is concerned about, it's Palps possible knowledge of the force that he's concerned about.

:) Just my 1.99 cents worth.