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Personaly can't stand it its way to jarring IMHO

 

the 3D Holo is way better AFAIAC

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Bingowings said:

It might be nice to actually see the sun in this shot going by the amount of light it hasn't sunk yet.

Bespin Sun Rays

Thats too green matey..

I like the idea of the sun, still the clouds should follow the proper light source.

 

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BarBar Jinkx said:

Personaly can't stand it its way to jarring IMHO

 

the 3D Holo is way better AFAIAC

 

I have to agree there. The holo was superfluous, but looked phenomenal. The cutaway is kinda distracting and serves no real purpose.

Even if there's no display, the glow from the info screens on the dash is well worth Ady considering.

Well, that's my 2p anyway.

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For some reason I simply can't understand why so many people feel this tiny little scene needs to be changed so badly. It is way beyond me. Having a visible screen in the shot does absolutely nothing to improve the scene, and so far all the examples have done wonders in distracting from it, looking jarring, or being pointless. Besides, didn't this idea get shot down by Ady about five pages or so ago?

 

We are on to more important stuff now, like whether or not the floating gas mine thing should be replaced with a merry-go-round and Cloud City by a top. Personally, I really like the surrealness too it. From a poetic standpoint, I think it is absolutely perfect for the scene. Reminds me a lot of the end of Monkey Island 2 where all reason and logic falls out the window and the imagery thrown at you makes your head spin.

Imagine Luke flying toward a giant top to rescue his friends. It is weird and bizzare, and Luke doesn't even seem to notice. It is symbolic of how the mysteries that cover his earily childhood and origins are about to start to fad away and his life is about to be turned upside down. I think this scene absolutely NEEDS to be kept this way. All the other Cloud City bits should be the real Cloud City of course, but for Luke's approach it HAS to be the top. Seriously, if you don't make this change your edit is going to suck and I am not even going to bother watching it. I BEG you Adyway, I BEG you! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE seriously consider going with this idea. I think it will improve the movie in ways you can't POSSIBLY IMAGINE! Now go Adywan, go and do what MUST be done!

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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d'oh!

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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C3PX said:
Imagine Luke flying toward a giant top to rescue his friends. It is weird and bizzare, and Luke doesn't even seem to notice. It is symbolic of how the mysteries that cover his earily childhood and origins are about to start to fad away and his life is about to be turned upside down. I think this scene absolutely NEEDS to be kept this way. All the other Cloud City bits should be the real Cloud City of course, but for Luke's approach it HAS to be the top. Seriously, if you don't make this change your edit is going to suck and I am not even going to bother watching it. I BEG you Adyway, I BEG you! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE seriously consider going with this idea. I think it will improve the movie in ways you can't POSSIBLY IMAGINE! Now go Adywan, go and do what MUST be done!

Do you want me to slap you now, or shall I wait 30 seconds ;-)

 

truth be told I like the cockpit scene as is as well, but i like the 'idea' of the hologram as an alternative option 

 

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I confess that Davnes' hologram mockup was very aesthetically pleasing and well done, but it still remains a totally unnecessary change that doesn't really add anything to the scene so much as it distracts perception away from what is being said and done in the scene. A cut-away viewscreen is even worse in this regard.

I don't remember ever watching ESB and thinking, "Boy, this scene suffers from not showing us what Han and Leia are looking at. Why don't they add a hologram or something?" It's over-explanation. Perhaps instead of adding superfluous holograms to the OT, we can try to come up with a way to remove the superfluous holograms from the PT. It might be nice to credit the audience with a modicum of intelligence, rather than implying "If we don't explicitly spell out everything, they're never going to understand what's going on." Not everyone who watches Star Wars is incapable of rational thought, y'know.

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Why don't we just stick to the radio drama then.

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Ladies and gentleman please move onto another subject, no hologram in that scene, end of. Deal with it lmao. Been trying to go through the film and write notes and do mockups but i have alot on my plate at the moment so just lookin through these looking for ideas and putting them through visually. So people next point? lmao.

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The difference in the 2 trilogies is really apparent in this scene 

in the OT the actors had to "ACT" out a scene and rely on very little in the way of special effects to get the point across

in the PT the actors were almost superfluous to all the whizz bang special effects that dragged what little plot was available

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Why don't we just stick to the radio drama then.

That's a strawman argument, and you know it. No one's saying "close your eyes and listen," only that over-explanation is something to be avoided, and something that positively plagued the PT. The necessary information is sufficiently and effectively communicated in this shot simply from seeing Han & Leia look down at a viewscreen and dialogue about it. Showing flashy holograms is just a change "for the hell of it," and doesn't really even enhance communication at all since the text would be in aurebesh. It's just distracting. It draws attention to a superfluous element and away from the performance of the actors.

I have a hunch that, prior to the issue being raised here, you never watched ESB and thought to yourself, "I wish they'd show a hologram or viewscreen of what Han & Leia are looking at." Am I wrong?

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How about showing the reflected lights, and just that?

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Molly said:

How about showing the reflected lights, and just that?

What "reflected lights" are you guys talking about?  Their faces already glow blue...

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DuTwan said:

Ladies and gentleman please move onto another subject, no hologram in that scene, end of. Deal with it lmao.

Aww. That's not too nice.

Personally, I like the work that has been done on this sequence. I don't think it should be changed for reasons already stated, but I think the work that's been done are commendable and very professional looking. The holo display isn't in your face and the characters sync with what's on screen nicely so it doesn't throw the focus off.

I'd be much happier living with the holo display than the redone Rebel Transport that escapes from Hoth. That has all sorts of 'focus distracting' elements thrown into it that I'm surprised we even saw the Ion bolts at all.

Oh, the Millennium may be a hunk of Junk, but it DOES have holo-projectors. Chess anyone?

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Akwat Kbrana said:

Why don't we just stick to the radio drama then.

That's a strawman argument, and you know it. No one's saying "close your eyes and listen," only that over-explanation is something to be avoided, and something that positively plagued the PT. The necessary information is sufficiently and effectively communicated in this shot simply from seeing Han & Leia look down at a viewscreen and dialogue about it. Showing flashy holograms is just a change "for the hell of it," and doesn't really even enhance communication at all since the text would be in aurebesh. It's just distracting. It draws attention to a superfluous element and away from the performance of the actors.

I have a hunch that, prior to the issue being raised here, you never watched ESB and thought to yourself, "I wish they'd show a hologram or viewscreen of what Han & Leia are looking at." Am I wrong?

Not so much that you are wrong, but it also wasn't necessary to show the Death Star orbiting a planet in ANH:R either. I thought the structure was just finished and moved away from the planet it was built over just before the film began. But even so it's a change that doesn't bother me. There is nothing wrong with adding something because "You can". That point gets a bum rap, it's when you go insanely crazy with it, which I don't think adding a hologram is. It looks great, it ties the trilogies together, we can still focus on Leia and Han but not be 100 percent distracted by it. I know I keep hearing the PT should match the OT, not the other way around. If that's always the case why put the AOTC death star plans in ANH:R to update them? Continuity eh? But I am glad he did.

I just don't see how adding a hologram to that one scene kills everything. It works in the context of the scene. The falcon has panels & holoprojectors, they even play chess with them. It can still be a hunk of junk and have them.

 

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That's all well and good, but you're starting to beat a dead horse now.  This is beginning to remind me of the blue/grey TIE fighter debate.

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ChainsawAsh said:

That's all well and good, but you're starting to beat a dead horse now.  This is beginning to remind me of the blue/grey TIE fighter debate.

And the green AT-AT laser debate.  And the Flipper debate.  And the Snowflake debate. ;-)

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BarBar Jinkx said:

truth be told I like the cockpit scene as is as well, but i like the 'idea' of the hologram as an alternative option.

And I like the 'idea' of Leia being in a gold bikini in every single scene of the trilogy as an alternative option.

Ideas and alternatives can go on until infinity. Why not make an option in SW:Revisited to have Luke be in blue squadron and to have blue stripes on his X-Wing? It fits with the novel better this way, and would be a cool idea. As an alternative option of course. Another cool alternative option would be to replace the Rancor keeper with a lion tamer, complete with red outfit and bullwhip. This sort of BS can go on and on.

 

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Not so much that you are wrong, but it also wasn't necessary to show the Death Star orbiting a planet in ANH:R either.

Ah, but there is a very significant difference between your example and the holographic display? "What is it?" You may ask, what could possibly be the difference?

Ehhem... simply put, the man making the decisions and doing all the work decided to make that decision and do the work on it. Whereas in the case of the holodisplay he decided NOT to. Any questions? No? Good! Hopefully we don't hear another word about that nonsense. It is really great Ady allows us to give him creative input, but when he gives the red light to something, why not consider taking it seriously in some small way instead of outright ignoring it? Just for the sake of giving Ady a break, why not start a new thread if you feel inclined to continue debating over this broken and bloodied horse carcass. Now back to the whole Cloud City as a childrens' toy thing... ;)

 

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DuTwan said:

Ladies and gentleman please move onto another subject, no hologram in that scene, end of. Deal with it lmao.

And I thought we were a friendly community. :(

Personally, I like the work that has been done on this sequence. I don't think it should be changed for reasons already stated, but I think the work that's been done are commendable and very professional looking. The holo display isn't in your face and the characters sync with what's on screen nicely so it doesn't throw the focus off.

I'd be much happier living with the holo display than the redone Rebel Transport that escapes from Hoth. That has all sorts of 'focus distracting' elements thrown into it that I'm surprised we even saw the Ion bolts at all.

Oh, the Millennium may be a hunk of Junk, but it DOES have holo-projectors. Chess anyone?

haha sorry if i seemed too aggresive, just that once its been stated that Adywan isnt interested in doing it then we should move on and maybe try an persuade him by making him think wow, but there gotta be some kind of limit lol.

Though the millenium falcon does have hologramatic displays for a game like chess, does that mean it has to have a hologram of bespin etc. Even TPM only had display screen, remember Obi Wan checkin out Tatooine?
 

 

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oh_riginal said:

Okay, this is the last attempt, for real this time! I promise.... If Ady isn't interested in this idea, maybe other fan editors may like it? Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZd9dn9Bn8

I highly dig that! :D

 

 

I really don't like seeing the screen.  The reason you see so many screens in the PT is because Lucas now thinks we're all so stupid that we have to be shown everything or we won't get it.  He made the PT for 5 year olds.

We learn everything we need to from what Han tells Leia in that scene.  There's no need to cut to something new when the scene is between the characters.  Despite what Lucas think, CG is not a character.

Jeff