Well in VDM, I scanned thru and picked all B frames for each of the screens. It was just importing the stream in, it was already created when I put it into VDM to take the screens, so no chroma upsampling should be happening. Ill take some screen tho in DGindex and put them up sometime today. I notice the two things you were talking about tho right away with the flag and the logo, for some reason it seems like TMPG just disregarded my HD color correction. I just used colormatrix.dll with these scripts in avisynth

ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.709->Rec.601")

ConvertToYUY2()

Maybe ill put up some sample clips with megaupload so that people can look at them and get a better feel, but right now Its looking like CCE with increased passes might be the way to go?