Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 67

Talking to a pal of mine who's a drum-circle playing hippie type amature music producer brought me to this idea.

Do you suppose the happy "Endor Battle" song, or "Yub Nub" might be more palatable if they were brought down a notch in pitch, and accompanied by a slightly more serious, tribal style drum track? Not like a techo-remix or anything, but just an occasional drum flourish.

My pal is slightly unreliable, but he was going to attempt it with the Endor Battle music. If he does it, I'll post it.

Perhaps the original ending music would be more palatable if any allusion to it being an Ewok tune was removed.

During the celebration the Ewoks could play a very basic tribal tune with no vocal (but the same rhythmic structure) and then the orchestra and the choir could fade in.

One of the problems with the "Yub Nub" song (especially the film version which is very different from the album version) is the attempt at poetic beauty backfires into comedy.

What is attempted was to have the Ewoks sing their celebration song and the orchestra and choir (presumably representing the Galaxy and the audience take over) but it comes across as the Ewoks suddenly developing amazing choral skills (the Ewoks become Welsh).

If the Ewok singing was removed that effect might come across better but it would need someone skilled in music editing to try it.

I was thinking about the Sail Barge explosion and how it could be made to look more like a maritme disaster.

Here's the bang we know so well :

But it might look more Titanic if the loss of power and the force of the explosion made it tip up into the pit (a bit like a sinking ship):

I tried to do a mock up of it snapping in half but I can't find enough photographic material to pull it off.

vaderios said:

Ripplin said:

Nice one!

Hey, you're on vacations? How many? ;)

15 days! So no mockups, no hallelujah, no star wars. :P

 

-Angel

 

 great i've to suffer two weeks with out a freakin' mock up from u! i always look forward to those when i get here! no offense to anyone else. ;)

Davnes007 said:

Bingowings said:

I was thinking about the Sail Barge explosion and how it could be made to look more like a maritme disaster.

Here's the bang we know so well :

...

But it might look more Titanic if the loss of power and the force of the explosion made it tip up into the pit (a bit like a sinking ship):

...

I tried to do a mock up of it snapping in half but I can't find enough photographic material to pull it off.

I threw together something that you might like...I think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp27zx62zRE

 

After Effects would have been better to use, but I'm still a beginner with that.

 

 

I was trying to evoke this famous painting of the Titanic :

and mix it with the snapping in half we now know that happened.

To get it to work would require more model shots (the barge seems to be the least photographed model in the Star Wars universe screengrabs aren't much help and the physical set (which was beautiful is always photographed cluttered up by other people, models and the like).

It needs to tip back into the pit (with a nice groaning noise) with the nose pointing up and then snap in the middle and then explode.

It would be nice to see it fall from a different angle (like the truck flip in The Dark Knight).

I don't think it's doable with stills despite Davnes always watchable efforts.

vaderios said:

Thats why we must not have AT-ATs in Endor battle...

-Angel

The Multi-Troop Transports made easy work of trees in TPM so I don't see it as too much of a problem.

Maybe they could have a tree felling craft like the one that was very useful (and then suddenly not needed) in KOTCS.

Or perhaps some foot blades could solve the problem, if cars can have snow tires I can't see why an AT-AT wouldn't have forest feet or some kind of terrain modification (though clearly, the ankle joints would need to be modified in this mockup):

 These are the same sort of feet that squashed a two man aircraft in ESB so between stomping and cutting and blasting they could have a good chance of clearing a path (it might help if there were some small ramming devices out the side to make sure trees didn't fall the wrong way).

Air support (something mysteriously absent from this battle).could clear paths as well.

BarBar Jinkx said:

 1st of all Titanic 97 years gone last week RIP (we irish have a special place in our heart for the little ship)

 

2nd of all the titanic snapped in half due to her sheer size, the barge is tiny in comparison the explosions would have to be well placed & timed to be able to pull off that shot

The explosion is caused by the barge gun firing at the deck at close range so predicting the effect would require a full knowledge of how the gun worked and what was where in a craft we don't know about, it was certainly a heavy ship (not as heavy as the Titanic by any means) but it could sink that way if we wanted it to.

The explosion in the film as it stands is very boring, not very convincing and doesn't carry over the visual metaphor of it being a sailing ship in a sea of sand.

The sequence was meant to evoke pirate movies but for once George was a little too subtle with his evocation.

It could weaken the supporting structures  so when the repulsor drives malfunction they can't support the weight of the upward pointing end.

It seemed to be a very large long distance cannon so firing it at short range (I'd imagine) might have a Thermite like effect (hot metal squirting out of the window slats...that sort of thing).

Only two things can save the Battle of Endor.

We add Colonial Vipers from the original BSG flying around.

And we add a "Star Tours" shuttle following Lando and Wedge into the DS.

Honestly, without these additions, the film will never be worth a damn.