Even in the prequels, Boba Fett is not a clone — Page 3

DarkFather said:

It would be me basically saying the same thing that others have already so grandly said themselves.

Essentially, their facial structures are similar (objectively so), they're both ethnic (as someone said, if they got gotten a blond haired, fair-skinned boy instead it would be a problem), and it was aesthetically a good casting choice. The next best thing they could have done is actually generated a young clone of Morrison, and the only one asking that of Lucas is you.

Vaderisnothayden, I suggest looking up "cognitive dissonance" and reflecting on how it applies to this situation for you.

No, the facial structures are not objectively similar. They are similar only in the perceptions of people who fail to see the distinct differences. And it's ludicrous to say the next best thing they could have done was get an actual clone of Morrison. There are a ton of kids who look more like Morrison than Logan does. What this comes down to is you can't grasp that the two faces are different and you refuse to acknowledge that there might be something you are failing to see, so you assume I must be wrong. And to you wrong seems to mean "ridiculous".

And this isn't about cognitive dissonance. This is a simple case of two people looking different and me not being willing to accept them as the same because I can see they're not the same and I think Lucas could have done a lot better and I think passing the kid off as a clone of Jango is an insult to the audience's intelligence.

I'm not entirely sure you mean to imply by your reference to cognitive dissonance, but I'm going to guess that you are entertaining the dumb notion that I wanted Boba to be not a clone so I convinced myself that he looks different. But I'm actually a lot more concerned about faces than I am about Boba Fett's story. I never liked Boba Fett. I like Wingreen's voice work and the outfit, but the character has always annoyed me. I loved it when he got killed in ROTJ and I hate the EU resurrection of him. When I first saw Attack of the Clones, Boba's story didn't matter to me. I was much more concerned about them fucking up Anakin. But I WAS bothered by them trying to pass off the kid as a clone of Jango, because he didn't look like Jango. Like I said, faces matter to me. I wasn't going to accept the bullshit that this kid was a clone of that guy when they looked so different. I was insulted that Lucas should consider us so dumb as to buy that. The issue of Boba's story has come to matter a bit more to me since I considered the prequels more over the years, but I'm still more concerned with the issue of the kid being insult-to-the-intelligence casting than with the issue of Boba being turned into a clone of Jangle-all-the-way Fett.

So you're getting it upside down. It's not because I dislike the clone idea that I think the kid is bad casting. I think the kid is bad casting because I think the kid is bad casting (as in because he doesn't look enough like Morrison). To some extent you might even say I dislike the clone idea because I dislike the casting. Like I said, you got it upside down (or backwards, or however you want to put that).

So how about you don't try coming up with stupid dismissive theories about what's going on in my head when you don't have a fucking clue what's going on in there? This is the second stupid theory about me you've come out with on this thread. Not so long ago you were accusing me of being 007 the undercover TFN agent. Your theories are way more ridiculous than anything I've said.

How about you refrain from theorizing about what's going on in my head from now on? Because you're not very good at it.

Also, the whole question of whether my original post was ridiculous or not does NOT hinge on whether or not the kid looked like Morrison. Let's pretend for a moment that he DID look like Morrison. Then my view would simply be a case of me being a bit too particular about actors' appearances. That would hardly be a huge issue. It wouldn't be "RIDICULOUS". You and some other people would have made way too big a fuss about this. Maybe THAT would be ridiculous, have you considered that? A huge fuss made just because a poster would be (shock! horror!) a bit more particular than most people about actors being similar. I mean, really.

(As it is stands, Daniel Logan's face is significantly different in a number of major ways from Morrison's and he has overall a different sort of face. Casting him as Jango's clone is just bullshit.)

DarkFather said:

Essentially, their facial structures are similar (objectively so), they're both ethnic (as someone said, if they got gotten a blond haired, fair-skinned boy instead it would be a problem), and it was aesthetically a good casting choice. The next best thing they could have done is actually generated a young clone of Morrison, and the only one asking that of Lucas is you.

Vaderisnothayden, I suggest looking up "cognitive dissonance" and reflecting on how it applies to this situation for you.

Are you turning into a broken record now? Is there some purpose in you reposting you previous post? 

Also, there's a hell of a lot more that matters about people's appearances than hair and skin color. I also find it pretty strange that you think blond fair-skinned people don't have any ethnicity. That use of the term "ethnic" is insulting to both the people it is used to refer to and the people who it counts out. Everybody has ethnicity, because everybody belongs to one or more ethnic groups. And people who are not stereotypical northern white should not be all lumped under one heading like they're all the same and have no distinct identity of their own.

Temuera Morrison and Daniel Logan are Maori, not just "ethnic". Maori is an ethnic group native to New Zealand. But whatever you do, don't go saying this makes Daniel Logan brilliant casting. Being of the same ethnic group does not make two people look the same. And if the aim was to find a Maori kid who looked like Morrison, there are bound to have been a lot of Maori kids in New Zealand who looked much more like Morrison than Logan did. I can't help but suspect there's a sort all-Maori-look-the-same-let's-get-any-old-Maori-kid attitude active in the casting. People can be really stupid about seeing differences between members of non-white groups. Apparently some people even mistake Samuel L Jackson for Laurence Fishburne, according to Jackson himself. Jackson looks nothing like Fishburne, but to some people all black people look the same.

skyjedi2005 said:

I don't care what Lucas put in the prequels.  To me Boba will always be Jaster Mareel a former stormtrooper .

Clone of some no name Jango played by a bad actor, nope.

Just like Vader is not pictured in my mind while watching the oot as a whiny Hayden in a suit.

The EU backstory for fett from the early days is much more acceptable to me than Lucas revised version in the prequels.  Having Fett being a little kid like Anakin was in Episode 1 and just as annoying but actually more than Jake was.

The prequels gave FETT's motivation as he hates Jedi because Windu killed his daddy, roflmfao.

I always wondered why fett hated Han Solo personally. What was their history.  Did they bump into one another in the imperial navy?

The EU had some sort of cockeyed explanation why Fett had it in for Solo. Something along the lines of Fett had a moral code (riiiight) and Solo didn't fit with that code.

skyjedi2005 said:

Clone of some no name Jango played by a bad actor, nope.

 To be fair, could Richard Burton have pulled off lines like "I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe."?

Lol!

wat's so bad about it? i must've missed something.

I'm in the Boba Fett is overrated camp. I see him as an overrated thug ("bounty hunter scum") who got his just comeuppance in ROTJ and never rose again (unless you count coming back from the sarlacc without his memories in the Marvel comics only to be flushed back down it again, never to be heard from again). Nifty outfit, excellent voice acting from Wingreen, but overall an annoying character who had the cheek to kidnap the great Solo. Loved his death. Hate the 90s EU's resurrection of him and its flogging of him and the way he's built up into The Greatest Thing Ever. I don't get why he's seen as so cool. Yeah, he fucked up things for the main characters, but not without a lot of help from Darth Vader. Dirty little scumbag working for the empire like that.  And fucking up things for the main characters hardly gets him points in my book. I was so ELATED that he was offed in ROTJ. I wanted to twist his head off myself, but I settled for Solo sending him into the Sarlacc.

I mostly didn't see what the big fuss was with the bounty hunters, though I liked Bossk and IG88. The toy packs advertised a mail-in Dengar and I wondered why anybody would want that idiot. And like wtf did he have bandages around his head for anyway? Looked scruffy.

I didn't welcome the Fetts being shoehorned into the prequels and I was prejudiced against Jango from the beginning for being the proto-Boba, though he was an annoying motherfucker in his own right too. The best part of AOTC was when Jango got his head chopped off. I was very disappointed that Lucas chickened out and didn't show the head drop out of the helmet when kid Boba picked it up. And we're supposed to feel sorry for that nasty little creep just because daddy Jangle got his just comeuppance? I certainly felt no sympathy. The AOTC Fett story stinks of pandering to fans, which also pissed me off. I can't understand Fett fandom. The Fetts are just crude thugs, not worth being fans of. Vader, Han, Luke, Leia, Lando, old Kenobi, ROTJ Jabba (a thug but a cool one) -those are characters worth being fans of.

I also dislike it when Star Wars flogs anything as cool. That's because the old films didn't really do that. There were plenty things that were cool in there but the films didn't push them as being such. The prequels push a lot of things as being cool. Notably lightsaber battles, Yoda with a saber, the Jedi and Darth Maul. It's a showier more self-satisfied mentality. The EU pushed things as cool even in the days of the OOT and Boba Fett was a focus of this. The holiday special pushed him as the best bounty hunter in the galaxy and the 1980 newspaper comic strip flogged how he was invulnerable in his armor and was so effective with the gadgetry in his outfit. It was rubbed in. The 90s EU built up on this massively. Boba Fett was everywhere and the coolest thing ever and they even retconned that he was a very moral guy in his own right and looked down on Han's supposed lack of morality. Barf me out.

If you want Mandalorians (a lot of people seem to), there's Fenn Shysa (who shared my view of Fett) and Tobbi Dala (who died really well) and Rohlan Dyre isn't half bad either. We don't need Fetts.

Riiight. As cool as a low down scumbag who got offed by a guy who couldn't see. I'm way cooler than "Bubba".

Vaderisnothayden said:

I'm in the Boba Fett is overrated camp. I see him as an overrated thug ("bounty hunter scum") who got his just comeuppance in ROTJ and never rose again

 Im with you, although don't get me wrong, I love Boba (and all drinks with tapioca).

But he is a thug. He's clever enough to track the fountain, is cold blooded and looks awesome, and when he turns in Solo takes the sleazy job of being Jabba's bodyguard/entourage, and dies a goon's death. That's all I ask for of a minor character...  look cool, serve the plot, die.

I never get the over arching love for this guy in the sense he was something more than a really cool looking henchman for the bigger villains.

Isn't he President of the Galaxy in the EU now or something. That's just weird to me.

A lot of things were ruined by the prequels. Anakin/Vader, Fett, Yoda, the Jedi, the whole bloody Star Wars backstory. They were even going to have a go at ruining Han, but luckily they gave up on that. But who knows, they might try again in the live action show.

shove it! the live action show has been going well. anyways, i wouldn't mind seeing some backstory to Han and Lando.