C3PX said:Vaderisnothayden said:
I don't hold views if I think they're wrong. If I think I'm mistaken about something then I won't argue it.You think other people don't feel that same way? Why would anyone hold a view they think is wrong? If someone says that a certain view is wrong, then quite obviously, they don't hold it.
Why would anyone argue something, if they felt they were mistaken? The whole point of arguing is because you think you are right and the other person is wrong. There is a place for some debate, but when it becomes clear you're not convincing anybody, it is time to fuck off and agree to disagree. You tend to press it to the point of, "Well clearly you are wrong because you suck at this, and I am quite good at it" or "You're wrong and only arrive at your point of view because you are suffering from denial".
Sometimes it is prudent to consider the possibility that you might just be wrong, or at the very least that your view isn't as water tight as you thought it was.
You tend to press it to the point of, "Well clearly you are wrong because you suck at this, and I am quite good at it" or "You're wrong and only arrive at your point of view because you are suffering from denial".
I only do something like that after people have been unpleasant to me and tried my patience past breaking point.
Sometimes it is prudent to consider the possibility that you might just be wrong, or at the very least that your view isn't as water tight as you thought it was.
I do that all the time. But when I've acted on that by testing my view very carefully and found that my view still works and doesn't seem to be wrong, then I will continue to defend my view against arguments I don't find convincing.
However what you just advised there is what some people seem totally incapable of doing in reaction to my views.
The whole point of arguing is because you think you are right and the other person is wrong. There is a place for some debate, but when it becomes clear you're not convincing anybody, it is time to fuck off and agree to disagree.
Just because I'm not convincing whoever I'm debating with doesn't mean that my argument won't convince some lurker or poster who reads my post now or any time in the future. And if it's such a good idea to quit debating when it looks your opponent won't be convinced, why doesn't everybody do that, instead of keeping up debates with me going on and on and on and generally getting nastier as they go on?