DarkFather said:What are you talking about? You accused me of being narrow-minded well before I ever accused you of such. All you want to say right now is that Lucas created a mess and the EU needs to excuse it. I've said I actually agree on some instances. But you're not taking into account that Star Wars has always had parts of the story that had to go unexplained for the sake of telling a larger story. At least the EU picks up the slack a lot of the time, and sometimes even gives adequate reasons (which you like to term in a derogatory fashion "excuses") that are thought out. It's not as simple as to say "EU excuses" for Lucas' mess and leave it at that. It's going into extreme territory to do so.
You got offensive with me before I got offensive with you. In fact, you seem to like making unprovoked attacks me on. The ongoing trouble between us was started when you made one such attack that hit me out of the blue. I was shocked and really bothered that somebody was eager to be so malicious. You have continued your bullying of me since then. I don't know who called who narrow-minded first in all the back and forth we've had, but I think there's a very good chance it was you.
All you want to say right now is that Lucas created a mess and the EU needs to excuse it.
No, what I'm saying is that if the Lucas creates a mess the EU can't excuse it.
But you're not taking into account that Star Wars has always had parts of the story that had to go unexplained for the sake of telling a larger story.
The films should work in and of themselves. Something in a film should not require material outside of the film to make it work. And the prequels all too often seem to need outside material to make them work.
At least the EU picks up the slack a lot of the time, and sometimes even gives adequate reasons (which you like to term in a derogatory fashion "excuses") that are thought out. It's not as simple as to say "EU excuses" for Lucas' mess and leave it at that. It's going into extreme territory to do so.
No it's not going into extreme territory. All too often when somebody criticises some fuck up in the prequels, somebody pipes up with an EU explanation and this EU explanation is supposed to make it all better so that we pretend Lucas never made a mistake in the first place. That doesn't work for me. That's using often lame EU explanations as excuses to defend Lucas's mistakes.
Furthermore, the assumption when people present such EU explanations oftens seems to be that of course everybody acceots the EU as being on the same level as the films and that an EU explanation is thus as good as something in the films. For me and a lot of other people that doesn't work. When people are talking about the film story they aren't looking for the EU story, they're looking for the story in the films. The EU is irrelevant.