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Imperial, considering I dont have the skills required to pull off the newsreel footage idea, I may need a good alternative. Could you post your ideas for the climax before you post the others? Just so we can get the ball rolling. 

Looking forward to your ideas. The suspense is killer! lol

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Hah!

So Infodroid, if it turns out we decide the newsreel idea is the way to go, would you consider taking that bit on? Or perhaps someone you know? We might not need to if Imperial has it figured out otherwise, but if done by a pro it could add much needed weight.

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I might give it a try in my edit.  Mine is more non-conventional Indy, so it might work better there...but I'm not a hundred percent sure it's the way to go just yet.  I'm interested to see what Imp proposes. 

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IF, I ceretainly hope your ideas are worth it.  jones and ID are about to die over here.  ENTIRE FAN EDITS REST ON YOUR SHOULDERS!  A WHOLE GENERATION OF FANS' CHILDREN WILL TELL OF THIS ENDING!

No pressure. ;-)

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Well, if you're willing to pay....

LOL!  Kidding.  If you decide that's the only way to go, I'll be happy to take a crack at it and if you like it I'll send it to you (for free!  Haha...) to incorporate into your edit.  No big deal.

I haven't seen The Abyss in years and years.  Anything usable for this concept?

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I personnally think adding some news footage will ruin the ending even more. For a few seconds, it won't feel like an Indy movie anymore, and it will look weird. I also think it's kinda cliché, and a lot of movies have used this kind of stuff to illustrate evil. But who knows, maybe you will work it out.

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Well, it's one of those "do the best with what you've got" type things.  It's just one solution to a very big problem.  Maybe not the best, I dunno.  Any better suggestions would certainly be appreciated and entertained.

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Yeah, I'd love a better suggestion which is why we're saying we're gonna hold out until we see what Imp has up his sleeve, but if done seamlessly with a nice effect and appropriate footage it could work. The climax needs something fresh like this AND it needs footage that does not feature bad CG aliens.

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Let's analyze this for a second.  All the villains in these Indy movies always finally get what they've been chasing the entire movie.  Belloq wanted the Ark, Mola Ram wanted the stones, and Donovan wanted the Grail.  Their problem is, they see these things as objects that they can use to their own ends.  Their moral character is their ultimate downfall.  Indy always outsmarts them because he has respect for Archaeology.  He's a skeptic, but he learns his lesson by the end, just in time to avoid disaster.  The villains don't.

In every case, the gifts themselves these artifacts bestow are not bad or evil.  After all, the Grail restored life to Henry.  The Sankara stones brought life back to the village.  The Ark...well...the Ark was too holy to even behold.  But when they fell into the wrong hands, their "gifts" had disastrous consequences. 

The question we should be asking is, how can we continue that pattern with KOTCS?  Was it ever mentioned that Spalko was looking for "knowledge"?  What is her motivation?  What does she want?  And how can her ultimate pay off be turned against her?  AND how can we communicate all that on-screen in a creative way with the existing material? 

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Yes it is mentioned a few times that Spalko wishes to gain control over the psychic powers and that's just what destroys her - the visions. It doesn't have any impact at all though and her burning eyes are nothing compared to rapid aging/decomposing or face melting. We never really know what she's "given" to bring about that reaction. All we have is a TERRIBLE sneering alien and then poof, she turns to sand and flies up to the ship. BORING. Empty.

My main concern with the newsreel is that we WILL see what visions bring about that reaction, but that they won't be impactful enough to warrant such a reaction, which is why we need to build then imply the visions we aren't able tose are F'n nuts!

 

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Let's analyze this for a second.  All the villains in these Indy movies always finally get what they've been chasing the entire movie.  Belloq wanted the Ark, Mola Ram wanted the stones, and Donovan wanted the Grail.  Their problem is, they see these things as objects that they can use to their own ends.  Their moral character is their ultimate downfall.  Indy always outsmarts them because he has respect for Archaeology.  He's a skeptic, but he learns his lesson by the end, just in time to avoid disaster.  The villains don't.

In every case, the gifts themselves these artifacts bestow are not bad or evil.  After all, the Grail restored life to Henry.  The Sankara stones brought life back to the village.  The Ark...well...the Ark was too holy to even behold.  But when they fell into the wrong hands, their "gifts" had disastrous consequences. 

The question we should be asking is, how can we continue that pattern with KOTCS?  Was it ever mentioned that Spalko was looking for "knowledge"?  What is her motivation?  What does she want?  And how can her ultimate pay off be turned against her?  AND how can we communicate all that on-screen in a creative way with the existing material? 

 

Hey InfoDroid,

I like your suggestion that we analyze this. Spalko wanted knowledge I GUESS ... but her expressed desire up to the end was to be able to control others by means of her psychic abilities ... so perhaps the knowledge - the "everything" she wanted to know - was more specifically related to her psychic abilities ... to read minds and influence them from a distance. If this is so, the 'visions' she has that lead to her death might not be grand global scale events, but an overwhelming rush of all the horrible little details in the mind of man. Alternatively, perhaps she gained the knowledge of how to outwardly express her will though her psychic powers but not how to retain her own mental or physical cohesion in the process (all that was her blasted outwards in every direction) ... leading to her bursting apart and turning into tiny bits. So maybe a better death might be to have her literally crack apart Agent Smith style when Neo jumps into him and then bursts him apart at the end of the Matrix. Of course, that would take some CG work, but it would be a death more in keeping with the rest of the series I think ... and better than what little we have now.

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Okay, Heks!  Sounds great!  As soon as you get the shots completed, let me know.  ;)

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Okay, Heks!  Sounds great!  As soon as you get the shots completed, let me know.  ;)

 

If only I could :)  I could probably manage it with Photoshop, but I'm only just about to delve into the world of video editing and I don't think I'm up to the task of this effect.

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I figured that all the knowledge of an interdimensional race is more than a human being's brain can handle.


I think something more simple like blood coming out of her ears and nose then just collapsing or something would convey that better than a fireball.  Maybe accompanied by a wooshing cacophony of overlapping sounds like it's all being crammed in her head.

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InfoDroid said:

Let's analyze this for a second.  All the villains in these Indy movies always finally get what they've been chasing the entire movie.  Belloq wanted the Ark, Mola Ram wanted the stones, and Donovan wanted the Grail.  Their problem is, they see these things as objects that they can use to their own ends.  Their moral character is their ultimate downfall.  Indy always outsmarts them because he has respect for Archaeology.  He's a skeptic, but he learns his lesson by the end, just in time to avoid disaster.  The villains don't.

In every case, the gifts themselves these artifacts bestow are not bad or evil.  After all, the Grail restored life to Henry.  The Sankara stones brought life back to the village.  The Ark...well...the Ark was too holy to even behold.  But when they fell into the wrong hands, their "gifts" had disastrous consequences. 

The question we should be asking is, how can we continue that pattern with KOTCS?  Was it ever mentioned that Spalko was looking for "knowledge"?  What is her motivation?  What does she want?  And how can her ultimate pay off be turned against her?  AND how can we communicate all that on-screen in a creative way with the existing material? 

 

Hey InfoDroid,

I like your suggestion that we analyze this. Spalko wanted knowledge I GUESS ... but her expressed desire up to the end was to be able to control others by means of her psychic abilities ... so perhaps the knowledge - the "everything" she wanted to know - was more specifically related to her psychic abilities ... to read minds and influence them from a distance. If this is so, the 'visions' she has that lead to her death might not be grand global scale events, but an overwhelming rush of all the horrible little details in the mind of man. Alternatively, perhaps she gained the knowledge of how to outwardly express her will though her psychic powers but not how to retain her own mental or physical cohesion in the process (all that was her blasted outwards in every direction) ... leading to her bursting apart and turning into tiny bits. So maybe a better death might be to have her literally crack apart Agent Smith style when Neo jumps into him and then bursts him apart at the end of the Matrix. Of course, that would take some CG work, but it would be a death more in keeping with the rest of the series I think ... and better than what little we have now.

Ryan

I don't know if Spalko is the type who would be bothered by the horrible details in the mind of man.  Domination seems to be her cup of tea. 

I like the newsreel ideas to show an idea what would happen if she was to proceed with leading armies and controlling nations.  But if you do this, why should you restrict it to just news reels.  it should be taken to the logical extreme with the end of humanity and the destruction of the earth.  And the 'inter-dimensional beings' aren't having any part of that, so Spalko gets fried.

Mark

 

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Doctor M said:

I figured that all the knowledge of an interdimensional race is more than a human being's brain can handle.


I think something more simple like blood coming out of her ears and nose then just collapsing or something would convey that better than a fireball.  Maybe accompanied by a wooshing cacophony of overlapping sounds like it's all being crammed in her head.

 

I agree.  And I think I suggested earlier about having Spalko in the middle (if possible, I havent' watched the movie that many times) of the 13 crystal skeletons.  She is at the focal point of the mindpower that Jones and Ox were subjected to, but it is thirteen times the amount.  Head 'splodes.  things start spinning and everyone gets the heck out of there.  I don't know if it would work with the way the film is now, but that's how I'd do it if I had the footage.

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Maybe in the climax, the aliens show her a future where she marries Brad Pitt, only to realize that he ages backwards.  Maybe that would make her head explode?

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Sluggo, 

I like that idea  and think we should do it, but additionally I still think we need a better payoff than what we have currently. What is the thing that ultimately makes her burn up and how does it work with the themes of the film and Spalkos own flaws.

Also it would work better if we can still see the skeletons spinning around Spalko as she's burning up, which would have to be added somehow using skills I don't have...

I do think the idea would work well though and contribute nicely to the whatever else we decide to do (newsreels, blood, etc.)

Also, the newsreels would be cool and still open for interpretation. Does she self destruct?  Do they kill her based on her visions? etc.

 

Info, 

Too bad Harrison Ford can't age backwards. Wouldn't mind a few more true classics from him before its too late... 

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InfoDroid said:

Maybe in the climax, the aliens show her a future where she marries Brad Pitt, only to realize that he ages backwards.  Maybe that would make her head explode?

That would probably just make her slip into a coma.

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What about  placing Spalko at the center of the 13 skeletons, indeed, then some sort of beams go from the aliens eyeballs skulls (ala Dark Cristal) directely into Spalko's brain, then the visions starts.

All right easier to say than to do.

And it' still not a real payoff, just another way to show that same newsreels ending.

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Okay...what's some other Cate Blanchett footage we could use?  Let's see...they could transport her to Middle-Earth?  No.  They could blast her into the past and crown her as Queen Elizabeth?  No....  They could fulfill Spalko's lifelong fantasy of becoming Bob Dylan?  NO!  She could be stalked by a lesbian version of Dame Judi Dench...no, no, no, NO!  None of it works.