Okay, so if you tied slavery and those suggestions into the story, and Naboo, then you could have Qui-Gon going against the will of the council and fighting to free Naboo......and the labour force the populace represents
Here's my early version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4cCQrlxAfw
My thoughts are it should be left ambiguous as to wether Anakin told Palps or not...we then find out in ROTS that he in fact DID.
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
oooh, nice. i want to see more!!
SSWR, that turned out better than I thought it would. I still dont like that they went back to Tatooine though.
At least it explains the phrase from ROTS : "Remember what you told me, about your mother and the sand people?"
Good job
-Angel
Interesting concept, SSWR. That idea has potential for great things. And by keeping it from Padme, it makes her look less like a lunatic for falling in love with him.
Sluggo said:Interesting concept, SSWR. That idea has potential for great things. And by keeping it from Padme, it makes her look less like a lunatic for falling in love with him.
Exactly. :D
AND it really solidifies the Anakin/Palpatine relationship...
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
It looks like you cut Anakin throwing the tool too.
sluggo: And by keeping it from Padme, it makes her look less like a lunatic for falling in love with him.
That right there is justification enough to change it to this.
I'm liking this idea more and more.
By removing the scene, it helps justify his relationship with Padme, but it wastes potential for the audience to see Anakin at his darkest. And by putting Palps in it, maybe you could keep the sith music as well.
Sluggo said:I'm liking this idea more and more.
By removing the scene, it helps justify his relationship with Padme, but it wastes potential for the audience to see Anakin at his darkest. And by putting Palps in it, maybe you could keep the sith music as well.
For me, the question is: should Anakin kill *anyone* in AOTC? We need to like him (he is the hero after all...or one of them) in AOTC and this makes his fall in ROTS tragic.
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
shanerjedi said:I just dont like the idea that the jedi would sit by and allow slavery because of ancient law.
Maybe Qui-Gon goes against this?
Okay, so if you tied slavery and those suggestions into the story, and Naboo, then you could have Qui-Gon going against the will of the council and fighting to free Naboo......and the labour force the populace represents
As you know I'm all ears when it comes to radical ideas but how would you go about changing the story so Qui-Gon can be seen to be and go against those rules?
We know that Qui-Gon often is often defiant of the council (which is why he isn't on it and unlike older Anakin that doesn't matter to him one bit) but how could it be shown?
It's a shame really that Qui-Gon was killed, imagine if Dooku's part in the story was replaced with Qui-Gon (Mmm....How could that be done?).
ChainsawAsh said:I think the first paragraph needs to be longer - it just looks ... weird as one short sentence.
But I really like where it's going so far.
I've shifted the words around a bit to make the paragraphs roughly the same length (though they are all long single sentences, minus the last one which is one long sentences and one very short one).
A thousand generations since the defeat of the SITH LORDS and the golden age of the REPUBLIC is at an end.
Centuries of peace and justice have led to indolence and hesitation as ancient feuds and resentments fester unresolved in the senate.
Bound by galactic law and the strictures of their code of knighthood the JEDI are powerless to intervene as slavery and oppression sweep worlds beyond Republican control.
Taking advantage of these turbulent times the TRADE FEDERATION of Neimoidia has directed it’s fleet to the contested world of Naboo. Aided by sinister new allies....
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Here's my early version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4cCQrlxAfw
My thoughts are it should be left ambiguous as to wether Anakin told Palps or not...we then find out in ROTS that he in fact DID.
Great work there it's almost as if Palpatine's hologram is fulfilling the same role for Anakin that Ben's ghost did for Luke.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Sluggo said:I'm liking this idea more and more.
By removing the scene, it helps justify his relationship with Padme, but it wastes potential for the audience to see Anakin at his darkest. And by putting Palps in it, maybe you could keep the sith music as well.
For me, the question is: should Anakin kill *anyone* in AOTC? We need to like him (he is the hero after all...or one of them) in AOTC and this makes his fall in ROTS tragic.
I think we can sympathize with his killing after they tortured an beat his mother. I think the key is to make his character likable to begin with. The Phantom Editor had the right idea there, cut out much of his whininess and protest and make Obi-Wan more stern and overbearing and suddenly are sympathy is shifted from Obi-Wan to Anakin. I think the "Attack of the Phantom" commentary is pretty much a mandatory listen.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Nice but I had more of a waist up view in mind for palps (kinda like the emperors) and have the hollo projector on the table (where he is stood when padme comes in)
I'm going off memory here again, but, isn't there a shot where a rodian interrupts the meeting at the beginning of the movie where palps is sat at his desk that could be worked in here so he is looking down at anakin's holo. (obviously the background would have to be altered to remove the jedi from the seats.)
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
It actually makes a lot more sense for Anakin to make his confession to Palpatine.
Bingowings, that new crawl is simply amazing! Great job man, as usual.
I don't know if we could actually make that plot work with the material we have, but I think it's an interesting take. I agree that we never truly saw the Golden Age of the Republic, but I don't think that would have been possible with the prequels. If Lucas wanted to show the Golden Age of the Republic, he would have had to go back in the Star Wars timeline for possibly of years, and had he done that, the prequels could not have been about the fall of Anakin Skywalker and the rise of the Empire.
I think Lucas handled it quite well, the Republic was already falling apart when the prequels start, but the main characters know it too: Palpatine says as much in TPM, and his words are proven true in the Senate scenes, in AOTC, Sio Bibble mentions how powerless the Senate is, and Dooku (in a deleted scene) says that it's time to start over. And we have characters who are fighting against it, like Padme and Dooku, albeit for differing reasons.
What might work for a scenario Bingowings is talking about, is putting more emphasis on the characters who are fighting to keep the Republic together, like Padme. The deleted scenes from ROTS with the start of the Rebellion would work nicely in this. It would also create a nice bridge between the PT and OT: Leia follows in her mother's footsteps, kind of like Luke follows in his father's. It also works nicely as a mirror: the childeren succeed in where their parents failed.
I also wanted to say that I think not having Anakin confess the Tusken slaughter to Padme is a great idea. (don't know who said it, but props to you!) I've been thinking about the same thing. It could make the scene in the garage where Anakin breaks down the turning point in their relationship: Padme sees this broken man, and she wants to care for him. Also, it could also give the scene where Obi-Wan tells Padme about the slaughter of the younglings in the Temple a lot more impact. Here, Padme could realize that Anakin killed the Tuskens too, and the line "Not Anakin, he couldn't", gets a whole new meaning, because she knows Obi-Wan is telling the truth, but she can't, or doesn't want to, accept it.
Yeah I think we are really onto something with the "don't tell padme" bit
would it be doable to have the first of the rebel meeting deleted scene worked into AotC somehow to show that there have been concerns over the chancellors poweres from the get go? & that way c3po would be gold in epII
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
BarBar Jinkx said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Nice but I had more of a waist up view in mind for palps (kinda like the emperors) and have the hollo projector on the table (where he is stood when padme comes in)
I'm going off memory here again, but, isn't there a shot where a rodian interrupts the meeting at the beginning of the movie where palps is sat at his desk that could be worked in here so he is looking down at anakin's holo. (obviously the background would have to be altered to remove the jedi from the seats.)
I zoomed in to show his head (much like the Emperor hologram in ESB) but Artoo would need to be in the room to project the message (this could be borrowed from other scenes the garage scene in ANH would be an ideal place because he's in the same space) :
Bingowings said:BarBar Jinkx said:SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Nice but I had more of a waist up view in mind for palps (kinda like the emperors) and have the hollo projector on the table (where he is stood when padme comes in)
I'm going off memory here again, but, isn't there a shot where a rodian interrupts the meeting at the beginning of the movie where palps is sat at his desk that could be worked in here so he is looking down at anakin's holo. (obviously the background would have to be altered to remove the jedi from the seats.)
I zoomed in to show his head (much like the Emperor hologram in ESB) but Artoo would need to be in the room to project the message (this could be borrowed from other scenes the garage scene in ANH would be an ideal place because he's in the same space) :
that little golden thingy on the table, looks like a hollo prjector to me!!!
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
Adding a few "What have I done?"s from the Mace death bit of ROTS might make Anakin into someone who genuinely conflicted, he knows what he did was wrong but his fury is trying to justify his actions.
I'm rather keen to trim that scene in ROTS to almost nothing (to create the impression that he actually died trying to save Mace) so it makes sense to reuse the dialogue.
Besides Anakin goes too quickly to "What have I done?" to bending the knee in that scene for my taste.
You could even add Padme coming in at the end of the conversation so she assumes that he is just upset over the death of his mother.
Yes. I dislike that "What have I done, but I'll do anyting you wish Master" scene in ROTS.
Yeah, the scene of Anakin's "turn" is worth its own thread :P
Bingowings said:In an ideal world we would have seen some of those glory days but that's impossible without reshooting the films from scratch.
Whatever way you cut it the Republic and the Jedi are already on their way out at the beginning of Episode One (possibly after centuries of behind the scenes manipulation by the Sith or just by the sheer weight of the conflicting interests it had to keep in balance).
Sidious exploits a very exploitable situation.
It may be that there never really was a golden age and that it's as mythical as Camelot.
A thousand generations is a long time to build up monumental nostalgia compared against even Galactic peace and democracy could be made to seem dull and disposable.
Like Joni sang, "You don't know what you've got till it's gone".
Scenes from say CALIGULA (the feasting scenes, not the sex stuff) or other said Roman movies (like maybe GLADIATOR?) could be inserted for the sake of showing Senators or rich people in general enjoying themselves (as well as come across as gluttoness and weak). Or, if it's possible, say during a scene when Sideous is walking down a corridor talking to Maul or someone else, you take said scene and put it in a room they pass or in a room/window in the background, with the implication that Palpatine/Sideous sees the avarice and gluttoness behavior of what the Senators do behind closed doors and it is what is propelling him to create the Empire to begin with (along with the threat of a neighboring Empire taking them over).
That is why I say get rid of the TRADE Federation and just rename them the FEDERATION. Make them a seperate entity that is competing with the Republic (and a large outside threat) as opposed to a mere member.
Here is another idea: if the Calimari could be inserted in a few scenes throughout the Prequel films (say in the background of some of the Neimodian scenes, especially on the bridge of the command ship), as well as put the "rebel symbol" but in a slightly different form, you could create the implication that the Neimodians/Calimarians were the ones funding the rebellion in the OT movies, and that what we see in the OT is just a continuation of what we see in the Prequels.
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Here's my early version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4cCQrlxAfw
My thoughts are it should be left ambiguous as to wether Anakin told Palps or not...we then find out in ROTS that he in fact DID.
I REALLY like this idea - of inverting the Ben/Luke relationship by having Palp or Sideous pop up as a hologram/ghost to coach Anakin on. In fact, is there a way the Ghost Ben scenes could be inverted/reflected through the Prequels (how Ben instructs Luke to go to Dagobah to find Yoda, could a Palpatine hologram instruct Anakin to find Darth Sideous for "training" or go to said planet in EP2 or 3)?
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Scenes from say CALIGULA (the feasting scenes, not the sex stuff) or other said Roman movies (like maybe GLADIATOR?) could be inserted for the sake of showing Senators or rich people in general enjoying themselves (as well as come across as gluttoness and weak). Or, if it's possible, say during a scene when Sideous is walking down a corridor talking to Maul or someone else, you take said scene and put it in a room they pass or in a room/window in the background, with the implication that Palpatine/Sideous sees the avarice and gluttoness behavior of what the Senators do behind closed doors and it is what is propelling him to create the Empire to begin with (along with the threat of a neighboring Empire taking them over).
That might be very difficult to take footage from different films and get them to match. Than again, Trooperman did it somewhat with Dune and AOTC.
The reason why I called them the Trade Federation of Neimoidia rather than THE Trade Federation was to underline that they represent the trading interests of the Neimoidians only (we don't see any other races working for them after all).
The Republic could be like a Federal UN, a super state formed from other states which have internal constitutions, which allow for monarchs etc but where they have a shared constitution for the larger group.
Neimoidia is a member of the Republic and it's Trade Federation is doing it's own thing (like BP hiring mercenaries).