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I would like to donate a cover to this project, but I am having a hard time getting the time to finish it.  Is there any one who would like to take a crack at it.  I'll send you the WIP I have so far.

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Sluggo said:

I would like to donate a cover to this project, but I am having a hard time getting the time to finish it.  Is there any one who would like to take a crack at it.  I'll send you the WIP I have so far.

I'd at least like to tinker with it...

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Can do.  I'll send you a link tonight.

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ImperialFighter said:

jones1899, I've frustratingly been unable to get the time yet to cover some various possibilities that I recently worked out. (I'm currently painting/decorating a big house after work)  I'm trying to get the time to organise certain screenshots to better show what I mean along the way, as I have a lot to post here, concerning potential variations for both the beginning and the ending of the movie, where things can be tweaked very differently from the current version.

There are plenty of other moments I've reworked in ways that I'd have preferred in the first place too, but i'll concentrate on the 'beginning' and 'ending' stuff first, as that is what you are most interested in, at this point.

As far as the movie's climax is concerned though, the current theatrical one is just so unsatisfactory in so many ways to begin with....  However, just to let you know, my alternative sequence for Spalko's demise DOES involve using some of the actual 'alien representation' shots, along with a way to streamline some of the more excessive CGI moments into something far tighter, using existing shots, without the need for any digital alterations along the way.  (Except re-colouring perhaps)  That wedding scene can be reworked quite nicely too, into something that outstays it's welcome less....

But this will all take a little more time to put on here unfortunately.

 

Definitely interested...

 

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So I had this idea some time ago for the climax with Spalko and someone at the other site suggested the same thing, so I wanted to see what you guys thought. 

What if we show what Spalko is seeing visions of in the end. I don't know what EXACTLY, but maybe horrible things from the past? future? Obivously the clips would have to build from something somewhat normal to something crazier and crazier. But using old news footage, etc might be kinda cool  here. Might give the film that added weight that it needs. 

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1. I think these would have to have some sort of effect to show she's seeing this in her mind. Nothing cheesy. Of course I don't have the tech know how to do this. 

2. I would only want news footage or really old film footage. I don't want something from War of the Worlds in there or anything. 

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jones1899 said:

So I had this idea some time ago for the climax with Spalko and someone at the other site suggested the same thing, so I wanted to see what you guys thought. 

What if we show what Spalko is seeing visions of in the end. I don't know what EXACTLY, but maybe horrible things from the past? future? Obivously the clips would have to build from something somewhat normal to something crazier and crazier. But using old news footage, etc might be kinda cool  here. Might give the film that added weight that it needs. 

Two things:

1. I think these would have to have some sort of effect to show she's seeing this in her mind. Nothing cheesy. Of course I don't have the tech know how to do this. 

2. I would only want news footage or really old film footage. I don't want something from War of the Worlds in there or anything. 

Horrible things from the past?  Getting crazier and crazier?  You don't need old film footage, you just need to show her the movie she was just in!

Oh, burn.

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On a more serious note, I got the screenshot descriptions ImperialFighter needs for his suggestions.  I'll try to get those done for him today so he can post them here soon.

EDIT: I've not watched the movie since opening day, or even touched the DVD.  Pray for me, as I go almost frame by frame through the opening and closing of this movie.

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Just uploaded them all for ImpFight to use.

Cripes, that alien is creepy/crappy.

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Damn 005, now I have to be reminded of that crap everytime I come to this page? Makes me want to put up a giant post just to get us to page 28 of this thread...lol. 

Anyone have thoughts on using old newsreel footage in the climax as Spalko's visions?

 

 

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jones1899 said:

Damn 005, now I have to be reminded of that crap everytime I come to this page? Makes me want to put up a giant post just to get us to page 28 of this thread...lol. 

Anyone have thoughts on using old newsreel footage in the climax as Spalko's visions?

 

 

I think that's a pretty decent idea ... certainly better than what we got the first time around.

Ryan

 

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Interesting idea on the news footage.  If you are doing what I think you are doing with it. 

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Well, the bad news is I don't really have the tech skills to make it happen as I imagine it will take some nice subtle effects to make it truly work. Something like this has never been done in an Indy film so...

If we DO get it right it could be amazing, adding nice weight to the movie as a whole AND giving us something to fill out the climax other than aliens. 

Anyone interested in taking this on?

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I think the newsreel footage is an excellent idea.  One I hadn't thought of. 

I'm thinking concentration camp footage, people getting shot in the head, Tibetan monks setting themselves on fire in protest, etc...wouldn't necessarily have to be Soviet brutality.  It could be murder, violence, horror throughout all of Human history...and if these aliens are interdimensional beings or whatever, you could even include "future" events like 9/11, Iraq and so forth...ALL of the worst Human atrocities throughout thousands of years pouring into her head at once maybe building up to visions of a complete future nuclear holocaust.  We're talking a lot of quick, shocking cuts from a lot of different sources creating a whirlwind of negativity that seems to swallow her and finally destoys her.

It could work. 

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Weird question, considering the source material, but why would Spalko see all these human atrocities? Isn't "knowledge" the "gift"? I will never understand why Spalko had to die this horrible death because of possibly scientific knowledge, wisdom...well, uhm, enlightenment of some interdimensional kind? Not that I pity her...it just doesn't make sense.

Ah, yes, that was the whole point, right? ;-) I actually like the newsfeed idea. But since our interdimensional "host" probably wouldn't be showing Spalko real news footage, shouldn't we perhaps try to find footage that transports the idea behind those "old time feeds"? But of more recent quality? There have been movies in the last two or three decades that surely have dealt with almost anything nasty we can possibly throw at Spalko, I guess.

Just a thought.

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m.s said:

Weird question, considering the source material, but why would Spalko see all these human atrocities? Isn't "knowledge" the "gift"?

 

I dunno...maybe it's what they've learned from their observations of the Human race...about what we're capable of...and they don't like it.  So, they decide to "repay" us wretched Human Beings in kind.

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Those were some excellent points guys. 

1.) I agree about the newsreel footage. It wouldn't make sense if it looked newsreel-ly. But I do want to avoid having anything too clean or familiar also.

2.) I also think we should have the visions build from moderate to horrific (or as horrific as we can while staying true to the spirit of the series). This way we can imply that the visions get worse as they go until ultimately she seess things that noone could handle thus contributing at least to her combustion. 

3.) What are your thoughts on sound and music? Should we use a nice hauting piece of classic Indy music here? Just sound effects? Nothing?

4.) I also think we should avoid going TOO much into the future. Again, we hint that that is the direction the visions are heading, but we stop around Vietnam i think. I don't want to make a commentary here on current forgien affairs - ESPECIALLY Iraq. We need history that is distant enough to have been studied and examined for decades with perspective. 

5.) I'm excited by this, but it clearly requires resources and skills that I just don't possess... I'm afraid that unless someone takes this particular bit on, that I will have to just live with the climax as is (or with minor cuts). I'd lveo tostep up, but this is a risky and difficult edit that will require a high level of seamlessness and polish to do the idea justice. If done correctly though. Wow. Could be very powerful and more importantly it gives us some good stuff besides aliens to provide payoff in the end. 

 

 

 

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I'd love if her eyes didn't burst into flames, but the rest some awesome if possible.

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I think the way that the flash of Betty was incorportated into the Alt. Opening for The Incredible Hulk might be a good place to see how to incorporate the footage idea.  Its a fairly recent idea and something to maybe get your mind working on possible editing techniques.  You can find the footage with a quick Youtube search.  The video is only 2.5 minutes too so I don't think it would be too much of a burden.

 

 

 

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What about the news reel footage in the Abyss extended cut were those aliens are showing the cruelty of human kind via old news reel footage, plus its in 2.35 widescreen it also has snippets of nukes which could give a message out like the explosion at the begining of the movie, nukes = death.

Some of this can be found here to give you an idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGSAVbwc_X8&feature=related

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Yes those are both nice ideas. I think SOME of the stuff in the Abyss might be TOO intense for an Indy movie, but most of it would work just fine. 

What do ya'll think should be the last vision? One that would imply that Spalko is fixing to get some info that's gonna ...blow her mind. Stuff that scares her. Stuff that she almost can't comprehend. Not history related though... Not sure.

Also, something to show the fall of the Soviet Union would be cool as well. 

And I'm not sure what the effect is called, but having the edges of the frame fade to black (like a dark flickering circle around the footage) would be cool too. 

No takers on this little project? :)

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Hi, just time for a very quick update:  doubleofive has been kind enough to organise nearly 50 screenshots for me for some of the things I wanted to do with the start and end of the movie I'm going to post here.

I have a lot of little re-arrangements to sort out comments for, but have made a good start.  I will put them up as soon as I get a longer run of free time to finish them off.

What I wanted to say at this point though, was that although this concept of 'additional newsreel footage' is an interesting one, and some seem to like that idea, I personally have a totally alternative view on the whole Spalko demise thing, that wouldn't need any additional footage, and will go into that at length when I get a chance to put up the relevant comments.

Someone may be able to use something out of them at some point.  

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Cool, Imp.  We're waiting patiently to SEE it!  :D