Badger said:Managed to get the first one but are the other two up on demoniod yet? I can't seem to find them.
not yet, JediMasterfisher is uploading them as he gets them. Also, to whoever posted the link, I'd recommend taking it down per forum rules which forbid direct linking to edits.
Excellent. Thanks for that. Just give us a heads up when they're on demoniod and i'll grab and continue seeding all three.
Just got done watching it. I really enjoyed it. I like how you made Anakin seem more like a good piolet at the end. Your subtle editing of scenes was excellent.
Looking forward to the next two if I can find them.
"Attack of the Federation" is the first prequel edit that I've seen, and I must say, I was very impressed. Smooth edits all around, and some really great creative decisions.
THINGS I LOVED:
MIXED:
DIDN'T LIKE:
IDEAS:
Keep up the awesome work! I look forward to watching "Twilight of the Republice" and "The Black Knight Rises".
Just saw Episode I. Very good edit. Enjoyed it a lot.
Things I liked:
Removal of Midichlorians
Toning down JarJar without destroying the nature of his character. He can actually be funny in small doses :)
Removal of droid voices
Things I'm not to sure about:
Really obvious music cuts at the beginning of podrace scene
"Never let the other person hit you first"
Pace is a tad fast and runtime is a tad short, I never minded the underwater scene that you cut.
overall, nice job! Can't wait to see the next one.
I liked them, but the often too obvious music cuts did bother me a bit.
Another thing that jumped out to me in Twilight: when Zam dies she mentions Kamino, so Obi-Wan knows the name of system he's looking for without having to visit Dex or the Analysis Droids. However, when looking for this system no-one's ever heard of and he fails to find it... he somehow magically knows where it's supposed to be?
It felt very odd to me. Cutting what's left of the "someone removed Kamino from the archives" subplot should fix that.
DarthBo said:I liked them, but the often too obvious music cuts did bother me a bit.
Another thing that jumped out to me in Twilight: when Zam dies she mentions Kamino, so Obi-Wan knows the name of system he's looking for without having to visit Dex or the Analysis Droids. However, when looking for this system no-one's ever heard of and he fails to find it... he somehow magically knows where it's supposed to be?
It felt very odd to me. Cutting what's left of the "someone removed Kamino from the archives" subplot should fix that.
That's true. I think this could be easily fixed by removing the specific "It should be here" reference.
If I recall, though, it was pretty much the same way in the theatrical cut - he knew the name, but then suddenly knew exactly where it was supposed to be as well. I could be wrong, though, I haven't seen the theatrical AOTC in years.
JasonN said:bigbaddaddyvader said:Loved the twilight edit Jason.Torrents for the other two would be hugely appreciated!
I believe guitarfan01 was going to be uploading the edits to Demonoid.
I am. Sorry it's taking so long, guys. I've been a little out of my mind with school and tax stuff. I'll try to get them started tonight when I get home; tomorrow at latest.
Ta-da!
Good stuff, guitarfan01. (I like your username, by the way)
I will probably put them all on one disc and watch them on the ol' PS3.
Wow, stumbled onto these edits tonight. Only had a chance to see Attack of the Federation. I really like what you've done here. It makes Episode I pretty enjoyable. Just a couple things I thought were weird though, the scroll is blue now? Felt very strange to me. Also, you changed Watto's subtitles to make him more mean toward Anakin but in doing that you created a continuity error when you have him going back to work but then in the next scene he's fighting another kid he was playing with. Keeping Watto letting Anakin go home early would fix that. The other thing is the Podrace felt kind of strange with no music. I know that in the original movie Ben Burtt got George to leave most of the race without music but this new cut feels like it should have music going on through most of it. There must be some unused Williams score that could be readded to the film.
Overall though I really enjoyed this cut of the film. Especially liked Jar Jar's line change ("A little help here would be nice.") That sounded seamless! Where'd you get that soundbyte? Anyway, I look forward to watching Twilight of the Republic tomorrow. =)
guitarfan01 said:Ta-da!
Thanks for uploading these. It looks like it may take 5 years, but it still beats messing with rapidshare. =)
^I got all three in about a day and a half-ish and am seeding now. Just give it a while to get going and it should be fine. ;)
Great edits JasonN!
But how about that DVD-9? :)
I'd really like to see it in better quality and with some music smoothing...
I'm glad I got to do something helpful around here for once. :)
JasonN said:Judging from your comments, it seems like you are much more of a purist of the PT than I am or will ever be.... which means that you will most definitely hate these fanedits. :/
However, I'll try to answer a few of your questions/comments (and forgive me if some of them are rather harsh, but I can get pretty vocal over some of the story/plot elements of the PT):
Titles
Sorry for being a bit rude here, but what the hell exactly IS a title for a Star Wars movie?
Attack of the Federation
Pod Race
I felt that the original Pod Race went on way too long and had two major flaws: a needless (or pointless) cameo by Jabba the Hutt and the worse, most annoying sports announcer that I've ever heard in a film. Slumberland's cut removed both Jabba and the alien announcer perfectly, which is why I patterned my Pod Race after his (along with my own tweaks/edits to the sequence)Midiclorians/Virgin Birth/Chosen One Prophecy
Sorry, but I don't agree with you (and before you start up on these changes not being in line with the "myth" aspect of SW, note that I have also studied mythology and Joseph Cambell as well and I still don't agree with Lucas's story choices) - these subplots, as they were presented in the PT, were stupid, ridiculous, and a lot of WTF.Sidious Mysterious Identity
What's the point of hiding a character's face (to conceal his identity) if you can still tell who it is just from the sound of his voice?Greedo Fighting Anakin
It's never specified as to what it was the Greedo thought Anakin cheated on - the way it's been edited, the viewer thinks its just a child's game that got out of hand. Personally, I feel this is a much better introduction of Anakin to Qui-Gon rather than the previously mentioned "Jar-Jar gets in deep sh*t with Sebulba and Anakin saves his butt" scene.Planet Core
I removed this sequence because it was, plainly and simply... retarded.Elected Queen
Sorry, but a Queen is still a Queen in my book and the "different cultures" arguement would've be more effective if Lucas hadn't chosen to put in Earth-based releationships into SW (step-brother, girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, etc...)Anakin at Jedi Council
For me, I really like PE cut of the scene because he removed Anakin's cockiness and made the boy seem more afraid (which is what the Council is saying), which ties in well with the following scenes where he is turned down to be trainedObi-wan training Anakin
Yes, I feel that removing this plotpoint puts Obi-Wan more in line with his original character in the OT (we'll just have to agree to disagree)
Twilight of the Republic (note that I am still editing EP2 and some of the edits previously listed are no longer a part of the edit - I've updated the list of cuts/edits on the first post of the thread)Dax in Diner/Yoda Training Padawans
The Dax/Diner scene was terribly-written, served no point to the story (again: just have Zam mention the Kamino System), and was an example of incredibly poor visual design that is too "Earthbound" to be a part of alternative society in a Galaxy far, far away. For the Yoda/Padawans scene, I thought Obi-Wan looked really retarded compared to a little kid (who has an EXTREME cause of redubbing, I might add) - also, because I've added the Obi-Wan/Mace deleted scene back into the film, some of the youngling scene's content becomes redundant and not needed.Jar-Jar's Voice
The redubing didn't go as well as I had hoped, so in the end I just pitched his voice slightly lower (so it actually sounds like he aged a bit since EP1)Queen & Senator Amadala
For me, I'm perfectly fine with the concept that Amadala could be a Senator for the Galactic Senate and still be the Queen of Naboo. I mean, Bail Organa is suppose to be a king or some form of royalty on his planet of Alderaan (that is the reason why Leia is a Princess, right?) and he's a Senator, so why can't Padme?Slave-1 Space Fight
To increase tension/suspense of the action and remove poor dialogue from Obi-Wan, Jango, and Boba.Watto/Owen Lars/Qui-Gon reference
These edits/cuts are no longer in this fanedit as they were described (due to my decision to include EP1 into the continuity of EP2/EP3, which I hadn't decided on when I posted the cut list) - Watto is still a slave trader and owned Anakin/Shmi in EP1, Owen Lars is introduced by C-3PO as Master Owen (but there is no mention of him being a "step-brother" to Anakin), and Qui-Gon is still Obi-Wan's mentor in these edits.Shmi Skywalker's Death
We're going to have to seriously disagree here, as I see this subpoint as being ultimately pointless to the PT and Anakin's fall to the Dark Side (which is primarily dealt with in Episode 3). The only major change in it's removal is that Anakin now appears to be a genuinely good (if somewhat impulsive) young man with a kind heart (just as Obi-Wan describes him in the OT), until he betrays the Jedi and joins the Sith in EP3.Count Dooku
For me, the idea that Count Dooku was an antihero waging a war against the Republic in order to stop a mysterious Sith Lord who's gained control over the Senate was the most brilliant concept that George Lucas NEVER USED - rather than being a villain who was acting out of good intentions and in reality was a good guy (making both him and the Separatists more ambiguous and complex to the plot), Lucas instead just made him into a nondescript "bad guy" and gave the audience no explanation as to why he joined the Sith/Sidious (and before anytime tries to tell me that his backstory was completely explained in some EU novel/comic/game/etc, bear in mind that my only interest in SW is in the films themselves)Dooku's Lightsaber
Ok, how the heck am I "diminishing" Mace Windu by giving Dooku a similar-colored lightsaber? Do all Jedis have "lightsaber color-coding" based on their rank??? For the record, I chose the color purple it was the only other lightsaber color that I've seen in the movies apart from blue or green and I wanted Dooku's lightsaber to be a different color than either Anakin's or Obi-Wan's in their first duel.Removal of Yoda's Duel
No, this fight is not "badass".... IT IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS F***ING DESECRATIONS OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE STAR WARS CHARACTERS!!!
Most people bitch about "Greedo Shooting First" as destroying their memories of SW, but for me, this is far, FAR worse: I utterly HATE this sequence from both a CG graphics/effect ("Yes ILM, just turn Yoda into a spazzy looney toon...") and what it said about the character of Yoda - as a Jedi Master who's similar to a chi/zen master, why would Lucas make it so that the way he deals with a character like Dooku is through violence? I can understand why he used a lightsaber during the Order 66 (merely out of self-protection), but to make him arrive there to solely kick Dooku's ass... Lucas, you royally f***ed over my favorite SW character...
The Black Knight RisesGrevious on Utopa
It was removed because the Separatists are no longer affiliated with or controlled by Darth Sidious and to provide some mystery as to where Grevious and the Droid Army escaped to.Yoda/Obi-Wan Attack in Temple
Because the fight is ultimately pointless (just have them arrive in the Temple to find the dead Jedi and children) and I DON'T want to see Yoda fightingYoda/Sidious Fight
No, no, no, no, NO!!!Padme's "Losing the Will to Live"
Regardless of how much of a "myth" Lucas tries to make SW into (and how much bullsh*t he tries to feed down our throats about it being one), the fact remains that this plot twist was completely ridiculous and ruined the character of Padme Amadala for me:
"So, because her husband chose to become an evil Sith Lord who slaughtered children (oh, wait, I'm sorry... 'there is still Good in him"...), this woman is going to chose to die even though she still has two young children to love and raise? What a selfish bitch."Luke's Birth
Part of this choice to not show Leia being born is due to my decision to make a fanedit of Return of the Jedi (and judging from your comments on these PT edits, you'll probably commit suicide from my planned edits of RotJ...), but it's also to preserve some mystery to the story and the fates of certain characters for later Episodes (for those people who actually chose to watch the movies in chronological order)Birth of Vader
Umm... how about the "NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" moment?Death Star Construction
Said it before and I'll say it again: the whole idea that it takes the Galactic Empire nearly 17-18 years to complete the first DS yet only took 2-3 years to finish the second DS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DAMN SENSE. Your whole arguement of "maybe they were building more than one at the end of EP3" is also meaningless because according to "offical" SW canon (ie, what Lucas claims to be the truth) the DS present in Return of the Jedi is the second one that they built AFTER THE FIRST ONE IS DESTROYED!
I have just watched the edited versions.
I absolutely loved what you did with Phantom Menace... agreed with 99 % of decisions you made. The film is actually watchable and a vast improvement - if that had been the version released in theatres 10 years ago I could have coped and looked forward to the next two movies instead of the massive dissapointment I experienced. When I first heard those dreadfull American commentaters during the Pod race in the theatre my jaw dropped - suddenly the special aura that star Wars contained dissapeared - a feat that not even the Ewoks could achieve.
So well done you deserve full praise for your effort there.
My 1% of disagreement is - why are the opening titles blue? I like the original yellow. I'm also not sure if it is necessary to remove Sidious face - but I can live with it.
I also enjoyed what you did with Ep2 and 3 though I have more disagreements with these.
I really liked the original Jango Fett/ Ob1 fight - thought it was edited down too heavily in your version. I wasn't sure about the purple Dooku saber but I quite like your reasons for doing it - it does give more depth to his character. To be honest didn't have too many misgivings about your Ep 2 edits but would love the full Fett/OB fight replaced.
I definitely thought Ep 3 was far too heavily edited - out of all the original films this was the best as it was. I like some of the ways you edited the Anakin/Padme scenes to try and get the best emotional results from what is frankly dreadfull scripting and acting combined.
I think you have made an editing error near the start - Grievious ship is blown in half and then a scene later is back intact again!
I think you should put more of the Wookie fight back in though I can see your reasons for removing. I also like the Yoda/ Sidious fight. I think from the point that Padme is giving birth the film should be left in it's original edit as for me this was the best part of the entire prequals. Except the additional scene with Yoda travelling to his home planet should be added in.
All references to younglings should be removed.
I can understand the logic of removing the Death Star however for dramatic value I think it should stay.. don't forget in ROTJ the new Death Star was never completed - also we do not know how long the Old Death Star had been complete before A New Hope - it could have been hanging around complete for 10 years!
So there's my review. Hope you find it constructive. Really appreciate the work you have put in. My scores for your editing efforts:
Ep1: 10/10
Ep2: 7/10
Ep3: 4/10
Again, fantastic effort I'm sure there will be lots of different opinions you can't please everybody!
Can we restore balance to the force?... YES WE CAN!
Obama 1 Kenobi said:When I first heard those dreadfull American commentaters during the Pod race in the theatre my jaw dropped
Yeah, that was really bad for me too. Same with Dax's Diner. I just sort of rolled my eyes and sighed when I saw those scenes. Probably uttered a 'good grief' here and there. Add Jar Jar on top of that and wow... Oh, and the stupid midiclorians! And the virgin birth! Good grief! :p
I'll watch JasonN's edits soon. I think I'm going to dig them a lot, especially Ep. I.
Octorox said:I hate how everyone changes the pan in AOTC. That it was reversed was one of the truly poetic aspects to that movie. The idea is that the universe in AOTC is somewhat "flipped" from it's state in the conventional Star Wars movies. We don't know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. It's a curious oddity and it establishes that something isn't quite right. Flipping the shot is dumbing down the movie IMO and ruining a really poetic moment.
Yeah I agree. Panning up is one of Lucas's better decisions. Nice twist.
Can we restore balance to the force?... YES WE CAN!
Finally watched Attack of the Federation. Good work. It was a decent edit, and you had some very clever ideas. Still had too high of a dose of Jar Jar and Gungans for my liking. Many Jar Jar antic I wouldn't have hesitated to cut were still intact, but that is just me. I would go on to watch the other too, I even went through the effort of setting up a linkshare account, only to discover I had to donate or post twenty times to get them, and decided to hang it. Perhaps I will acquire it through other means.
I really thought the Sidious identity bit worked great. I liked the idea of blacking out his face.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
C3PX, if you post in the thread for whatever ones you want to download, it'll unhide. I thought that would be a pain too, but it's not actually that much trouble.
Progress on the DVDs are going surely, but slowly - I've been ill this past week and now have college work that I need to catch up on, so the DVDs completion has been delayed a bit.
Obama 1 Kenobi said:
My 1% of disagreement is - why are the opening titles blue? I like the original yellow. I'm also not sure if it is necessary to remove Sidious face - but I can live with it.
Making the titles and text crawls blue was inspired by the titles in the original Empire Strikes Back trailer (which were also blue).
Obama 1 Kenobi said:I definitely thought Ep 3 was far too heavily edited - out of all the original films this was the best as it was.
Sorry, gotta disagree with you on this - I thought it was as equally flawed as EP2 (yes, AotC was a worse film than RotS, but RotS was a more disappointing SW story to me)
Obama 1 Kenobi said:I think you have made an editing error near the start - Grievious ship is blown in half and then a scene later is back intact again!
I seriously doubt it - the opening was edited in its original timeline (I didn't rearrange any scenes chronologically).
Obama 1 Kenobi said:I think you should put more of the Wookie fight back in though I can see your reasons for removing. I also like the Yoda/ Sidious fight.
Said it before, I'll say it again: I will never add the Yoda/Sidious fight back into my edit.
Obama 1 Kenobi said:I think from the point that Padme is giving birth the film should be left in it's original edit as for me this was the best part of the entire prequals. Except the additional scene with Yoda travelling to his home planet should be added in.
So you want to see:
- Padme "losing the will to live"
- Padme saying that "there still good in Anakin" (despite Anakin being a murdering psychopath at this point)
- Darth Vader himself yelling "NNNNOOOOOO!!!" like a little girl
- Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Bail Organa basically explaining to the audience everything that's gonna happen between RotS and ANH
- Yoda telling Obi-Wan some bullcrap about Qui-Gon being back from the dead and teaching him the "path to immortality"
Obama 1 Kenobi said:All references to younglings should be removed.
Ok, I see absolutely no logic behind this - so are you saying that Anakin shouldn't kill children or that no one should talk about him murdering the kids (just because the word "younglings" is used)?
Obama 1 Kenobi said:I can understand the logic of removing the Death Star however for dramatic value I think it should stay.. don't forget in ROTJ the new Death Star was never completed - also we do not know how long the Old Death Star had been complete before A New Hope - it could have been hanging around complete for 10 years!
Geez, not this crap again...
I'm done talking about my reasons why I added Coruscant to Vader's end scene or why I think showing the construction of the DS at the end of RotS was total horsesh*t on Lucas's part.
Obama 1 Kenobi said:Octorox said:I hate how everyone changes the pan in AOTC. That it was reversed was one of the truly poetic aspects to that movie. The idea is that the universe in AOTC is somewhat "flipped" from it's state in the conventional Star Wars movies. We don't know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. It's a curious oddity and it establishes that something isn't quite right. Flipping the shot is dumbing down the movie IMO and ruining a really poetic moment.
Yeah I agree. Panning up is one of Lucas's better decisions. Nice twist.
Hate to burst your bubbles here, but I seriously doubt that Lucas creative decisions on the opening of EP2 were that deep (in fact, from editing these three films, I know that they weren't).
Obama 1 Kenobi said:I think from the point that Padme is giving birth the film should be left in it's original edit as for me this was the best part of the entire prequals. Except the additional scene with Yoda travelling to his home planet should be added in.
So you want to see:
- Padme "losing the will to live"
- Padme saying that "there still good in Anakin" (despite Anakin being a murdering psychopath at this point)
- Darth Vader himself yelling "NNNNOOOOOO!!!" like a little girl
- Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Bail Organa basically explaining to the audience everything that's gonna happen between RotS and ANH
- Yoda telling Obi-Wan some bullcrap about Qui-Gon being back from the dead and teaching him the "path to immortality"
- Well there could be the odd tweak but can live with the "NOOOOO" - it may not be the best moment, in fact is so bad that it is almost good...
- The explanations I can live with.
- Perhaps leave in the 2nd birth but do not name the child at this point - that would keep some mystery? (I guess that would mean editing the explanations..)
Obama 1 Kenobi said:All references to younglings should be removed.
Ok, I see absolutely no logic behind this - so are you saying that Anakin shouldn't kill children or that no one should talk about him murdering the kids (just because the word "younglings" is used)?
- Well perhaps substitute the word "Younglings" with - er - "Kidlets"?? (Joke) hmm I know re -dubbing the word "Younglings" may not be easy but that would go on my wishlist...
Just to re - iterate on the whole you have done a good Job. Just my opinions...
Can we restore balance to the force?... YES WE CAN!
Just saw the "Attacks of the Federation" edit... well, congatulations! Great job!
I've always thought TPM was the best of the prequels (at it's core plot sequence) and your edit only reinforced my belief. Removing the awfull battle droid voices was a great idea, although there are several scenes when they are obviously supposed to talk between themselves in the original and yet they are completely silent. Maybe you could add just some kind off static/clicking sound (like a radio transmiter) to "liven up" the battle droid sequences. But it's definately better now than the original. I also enjoyed the edit of the ground battle. No more stupid Jar-Jar scenes, but best of all was the ommision of the droid commander - he was just pointless. The droid army now feels a lot more menacing and lifeless.
Great job on the race. It was one of the parts I hated most in the original, but now it's just thrilling to watch. The concealed Sidious was also a very good addition. And I personally thank you for removing the planet core sequence (although I miss Qui-Gon's "there's always a bigger fish line"). There were also some other minor tweaks which I liked.
One thing that could be improved, as already noted, is the musical transition between some scenes. It feel rough.
Image quality was awfull, though. That's not a fault of your edit, of course (I downloaded the 900mb xvid version). I have an original French DVD and even though better than the xvid, the quality is still far worse than the other prequels and at some points, even than the originals. Very grainy, yet lacking in sharpness, dull contrast and too cold colors (again, this is how it looks in my DVD too, so I don't blame you, I'm just irritated that TPM looks... bad).
Well, now only imagine this edit, with Anakin coming alot sooner. Maybe he could have piloted the Naboo royal ship through the blockade as a young adult skilled pilot, rather a (bad acting) kid. TPM also had the best combat scenes, when they made sense (the AAT firing on the Naboo fighters when the took off, palace gunfights and the ambush in the palace square -top notch). Only the wierd semi-cartoon Gungan technology feels out of place. A fully fleshed out love story with Amidala/Padme and some better editing and TPM could have been incredible rather than just good...
Thanks to this edit, it's a lot closer to the better movie it should have been originally.
Thanks!
jason:
normally, i never - ever - write anything to any forum, but a) my own nerdism is too stubborn to ignore and b) your edits have made me so happy, i just felt the need to tell you (and the world).
so, for all posterity: thank you very much for the effort. for the first time, i felt something (close to) enjoyment watching these films, the original versions of which i never thought i would want to see again. i tried my luck before with the phantom edit and some of adm´s work, but those don´t come close to your edits (from my pov). now, i know i can go back and watch the prequels without wanting to throw the tv out of the window every 30 seconds. alright: some of the problems remain, since they are embedded in the original movies. but your subtle editing of the whole story arc finally brought to the films what was lacking in the first place: fun, speed, mystery and emotional attachment to the characters, especially anakin. wow. i am truly amazed - and have nothing to say against any of your decisions in the broad sense. this really was a good job!!
however, if you are still interested in making your edit even better (from my pov), i here have some minor nitpicking for you:
## aotf:
- the continuity-error with "ani"/greedo was already mentioned
- i missed the "sign the treaty"-scene, where the queen comes down the stairs, cause the whole "treaty"-business was more or less established here, wasn´t it? (ok: i never got the treaty-thing anyway...)
- is there any way to also cut the only droid in the whole trilgy talking (in the hangar)? i really LOVE the speech-less droids and this one brings back all the bad memories... or maybe scramble his voice a little?
- wasn´t there a line, where one of the trade-feds said (after conversing with sidious) "now there is two of them"? i always found that line nice, cause it has the feds realizing they got more than they bartered for - and this raises the suspense for the audience
- finally: please, cut the celebration. it sucks so heavily... this alone would be enough for lucas to be ashamed about
##totr
- in the bountyhunter-chase, obi-wan refers to a short-cut (you 'short-cut' the line he is referring to...). can it be brought back? by the way: the chase has become SO much better!
- the kamino-issue: i agree with most of what has been said by the others so far. i like your edit, but it is still strange, how obi-wan manages to find the planet.
(everything else, especially with this edit: marvellous. flows smoothly, no fucked-up-dialogue. even the bits-and-bytes-love-story feels almost real - to the point of believeable!)
##rotbk
- opening titles: "passed", not "past" (1st sentence)
- i think the reintroduced scene of the soon-to-be-rebel-senators meeting palpatine can be removed. i felt it to be somewhat confusing, since the next scene has "ani" and "palpi" talking bout the sith-lord-thing... i don´t know. it just felt "one scene too much", since the rebel-thing had aready been established prior. i would propose to put the "obi-wan just told me engaged general g" in place of the padme-and-the-rest-scene. another reason: general g just died - and after that anakin tells palpatine obi-wan just found him?
- just maybe: put palpatine getting anakin from mustafar back in? missed it a little, just for continuity´s sake.
(again: everything is else is pure sugar! especially the "you were my brother"-climax after obi-wan chopped good old "ani" into pieces... there you go. less talk, more emotion. and don´t ever bow to your critics: we don´t need no lightsaber-toting yoda, we don´t need no fucking "chosen one", and: never ever has anyone died of a broken heart or a "lost will to live". and "nooooo!" is not something we want to hear from darth vader - who was apparently lucky enough the sith keep those black suits and helmets in store, just in case someone might get 3rd degree burns...)
to cut a long story short: i will definitely recommend these edits to anyone still griping about the prequels. this truly is great work and should be seen by a lot of people! only question remaining: will there be a dvd-quality-cut?
(please excuse my post being so long. as i said: it is a premiere for me...)
Obama 1 Kenobi said:- Well there could be the odd tweak but can live with the "NOOOOO" - it may not be the best moment, in fact is so bad that it is almost good...
- The explanations I can live with.
- Perhaps leave in the 2nd birth but do not name the child at this point - that would keep some mystery? (I guess that would mean editing the explanations..)
- "So bad it's good" has no place in the birth of Darth Vader.
- I'd rather believe for myself that Anakin damaged her windpipe beyond repair than have a ridiculous explanation spoon-fed to me because Lucas thinks I'm an idiot and can't think for myself
- JasonN is editing ROTJ as well to remove Leia being Luke's sister, so adding the second birth would create a continuity error with his edits.