HotRod said:
And here's one from Quint @ AICN
He seemed to dig the film...as did most of the reviews on that site.
Hotrod, I would not trust aintitcool.com
They are just too in bed with hollywood.
I think chud.com is the only review to trust right now, even with the writer in euphoric from the utter shock of Leonard Nimoy appearing right in front of him.
skyjedi2005 said:The funny thing is if i went to see wrath of khan on the big screen and they showed this i would feel cheated beyond belief. I would be willing to pay a lot of money to see Trek II on the big screen.
I would not spend 2 cents to see this contrived piece of dung paramount is putting out. And when that reviewer compared it transfromers that seals the deal with me i'll be staying home, that movie had some of the most attrociously bad script writing i have ever seen next to lucas at his indiana jones IV and prequel best.
After seeing Lost, Alias, Fringe and MI:III i am convinced orci and kurtzman are the biggest hacks in hollywood at the moment. Next to David Koepp and Akiva Goldsman that is.
The thing is no matter what i think this movie is going to make tons of money. Just like the horrible comic prequel sold out in stores.
People are going to see this because it is not star trek even though it is calling itself such. People that would have stayed away because trek was for geeks and nerds and losers or whatever stereotype is popular at the moment,lol. What they made is another popcorn munching, cgi blockbuster that looks like a 200 million dollar videogame. Basically the Trek version of bays transformers. It will be action packed and sexy and not real science fiction or cerebral roddenberry trek which others hate but i like. The cage and the motion picture happen to be some of my favorite trek in this way.
They have been making action trek flicks for years. The last one which had any thought going on in it was Insurrection, well that ones message was incapsulated in an action film trying to be like first contact which was a mistake imho. Then Nemesis a rehash of star trek II and an action film. Every film since First contact has pretty much been this way. The studios want to make money, they care nothing about getting you to think or film as art.
It is unfortunate that a great film like trek II would unseat and destroy the very franchise it saved, by making each film have to be militaristic and an action piece and not about exploration or the final frontier.
Wow i just saw the mtv clip what stupid dialogue the scene was as funny as it was cringe worthy, reminds me of the padme and anakin scenes in the prequels.
He tells Uhura who is a linguist that she has a "talented tongue" Uhura tells him something like since he is a farmboy from iowa he must have sex with the farm animals and pine quips "not only" WTF? This sounds more like a Kevin Smith movie than a star trek movie.
I just knew the guys who gave Sam Witwicky in Transformers the screen name ladiesman, and had bumblebee pissing and Optimus Prime saying "my bad" like he was from the clueless movie could not get a thing right. All the bad one liners you could ever think of. I hope its not American Pie in outerspace or trek 90210, but things are looking pretty grim. These guys wrote in the comic "get Your ass up here bigboy". Wow such great writing. Dude a bunch of drunk fratboys might write like this but these guys are paid screenwriters in hollywood.
Their writing would not pass muster in a high school english class much less a college one. They get paid millions to write scripts that a room full of monkeys could come up with. Here lets smear poo on a piece of paper,lol.
This is the so called stellar Script Nimoy was waiting for he came out of retirement to make, yet he turned down generations, just wow. Unbelievable. I hope they paid the old chap well enough because this thing is a visual feast but written like a turd.
The copy of the first ten minutes of Khan which melts at the showing was made to look bad and old which seems like a FU to that film. I don't like that. It seems so punk-a@@ to do that. also ten minutes in TWOK is a point in which a shot of William Shatner as kirk. So They melt on William Shatner which seems like another FU.
IT WASN'T A BIG "FU" TO THE PEOPLE WHO WENT TO SEE WRATH OF KHAN. THEY DID THAT TO MAKE THOSE PEOPLE THINK THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH THE FILM/PROJECTOR. IT WAS A COOL WAY OF SURPRISING THE AUDIENCE WITH THE SHOWING OF THE NEW STAR TREK FILM.
"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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Here's some preview clips from the movie. I'm not a Trek fan but it looks good to me. The first one a bit to close to the Star Wars Cantina sequence though.
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/07/star-trek-clip-1-shot-of-love/#idc-ctools
Hunter6 said:HotRod said:
And here's one from Quint @ AICN
He seemed to dig the film...as did most of the reviews on that site.Hotrod, I would not trust aintitcool.com
They are just too in bed with hollywood.
Yeah I know...It just happens to be one of the few websites I visit on a daily basis, so I'd thought I'd share.
Still, there were a few other reviews on that site all praising the film.
Hunter dude, you may even like it yourself....You never know!! ;)
The thing that really worries me is that Kevin Smith said this is a good film. He said the same thing about the Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith. Hell aintitcool was gushing all over the three star wars prequels then around the release of the clone wars 2008 turd jumped on the lucas bashing express.
Do you guys trust Kevin Smith the guy who swore on his street cred he would never make a Clerks II?
Hollywood is full of ass kissers and general bullshitting. Like the friends and collaborators of Lucas who were not honest enough to tell him his ideas sucked for the prequels and indy 4 so the same is true to even any of the classic trek actors trying to remain in Paramount's good graces and not to burn bridges.
They want to keep things open so they can make money too. Though i think Shatner is deluded if he thinks paramount will ever let him play kirk again.
Even Rod and his mother Majel who sadly passed away embraced JJ's film. So either it is good or it is shit. So far from what little i have seen it is shit, and not The Shit as in slang for being cool or awesome.
The film Premieres here In 1 months time around where i live at midnight the night before.
After the prequels and Indy 4, i am not too sure i want to hand over ten bucks to the cashier in the theaters to see another favorite film series be destroyed before my very eyes in mockery of there once brilliance as movies.
And if your so emotional tied to the characters or series by nostalgia or just like them for whatever reason its like getting punched in the gut or kicked in the nuts. Supposedly that is what people felt after seeing Crystal Numbskull.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:After the prequels and Indy 4, i am not too sure i want to hand over ten bucks to the cashier in the theaters to see another favorite film series be destroyed before my very eyes in mockery of there once brilliance as movies.
And if your so emotional tied to the characters or series by nostalgia or just like them for whatever reason its like getting punched in the gut or kicked in the nuts. Supposedly that is what people felt after seeing Crystal Numbskull.
[telephone rings]
Hello, Kettle? This is Pot. You're black.
My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
Ziz said:skyjedi2005 said:After the prequels and Indy 4, i am not too sure i want to hand over ten bucks to the cashier in the theaters to see another favorite film series be destroyed before my very eyes in mockery of there once brilliance as movies.
And if your so emotional tied to the characters or series by nostalgia or just like them for whatever reason its like getting punched in the gut or kicked in the nuts. Supposedly that is what people felt after seeing Crystal Numbskull.
[telephone rings]
Hello, Kettle? This is Pot. You're black.
BEST. POST. EVER.
"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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Ziz said:skyjedi2005 said:After the prequels and Indy 4, i am not too sure i want to hand over ten bucks to the cashier in the theaters to see another favorite film series be destroyed before my very eyes in mockery of there once brilliance as movies.
And if your so emotional tied to the characters or series by nostalgia or just like them for whatever reason its like getting punched in the gut or kicked in the nuts. Supposedly that is what people felt after seeing Crystal Numbskull.
[telephone rings]
Hello, Kettle? This is Pot. You're black.
BAHAHAHA!
NEW CLIP
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/08/3rd-star-trek-clip-now-online/
Oh it is so bad!
The Dialog is Horrible.
The Set sounds are Horrible.
The acting is Horrible.
The filming is Horrible.
Hell, it makes Ed Wood seems like shakespeare.
That scene with spocklar grilling scotty and kirk was actually pretty funny.
"How did you beam aboard this ship we are at warp speed" Rofl, dialogue certainly not going to win any awards but looks like this movie has lots of jokey scenes and one liners for the young 13 year old crowd its aimed at.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
The spotlight effects SUCK!
The last time I saw lights like that in my face, I was being pulled over for a suspected DUI.
“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
Hunter6 said:
Oh it is so bad!
The Dialog is Horrible.
....t makes Ed Wood seems like shakespeare.
skyjedi2005 said:"How did you beam aboard this ship we are at warp speed" Rofl, dialogue certainly not going to win any awards ...
Take off the rose-colored glasses fellas. That scene is as well-written as anything that's come before.....
*switches to Scotty voice*
.....aye, and a damn sight better than some of 'em too.
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Guard: Admiral. They're moving him to the Federation funny farm.
Kirk: Yes, poor friend. I hear he's fruity as a nutcake.
Khan: We are one big, happy fleet! Ah, Kirk, my old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It is very cold in space!
Kirk: What it needs in order to evolve... is a human quality. Our capacity to leap beyond logic.
Decker: And joining with its creator might accomplish that.
McCoy.: You mean this machine wants to physically join with a human? Is that possible?
Decker: Let's find out.
McCoy: My God man. Do you want an acute case on your hands? This woman has immediate postprandial, upper-abdominal distention. Now, out of the way! Get out of the way!
Kirk: What did you say she has?
McCoy: Cramps.
Kirk: Row Row Row your Boat
McCoy: …... Row Row Row your Boat
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SPOILERS ABOUT THE JJ STAR TREK:
Nero is determined to destroy all planets in the federation.
Nero wait 25 years for old spock after Spock's ship time jumps from the kelvin event. Nero capture old Spock's ship which in turn gave them the technology needed to destroy planets.
Nero drills a hole into the planet's core and then deposits red matter that creates a singularity from within the planet itself.
Spock's mother, "Amanda" dies. the ground gives way under Amanda and they are unable to keep the transporter lock.
Vulcan is destroyed.
Pike is tortured by Nero, but is not killed.
Kirk is not really captain.
Spock displays a lot of emotion.
In the End, Spock launches an assault in old Spock's ship, and releases the red matter into the ship causing a singularity to form. Then Kirk blasts the hell out of it after Nero refuses to surrender.
Spock meets old Spock at the end of the movie. Spock wants to leave Starfleet to help rebuild the Vulcan culture, but old Spock talks him out of it as he himself will carry the knowledge to a new colony of Vulcans.
old Spock stays in the 23rd century.
No old kirk in the film.
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Anchorhead said:Take off the rose-colored glasses fellas. That scene is as well-written as anything that's come before.....
*switches to Scotty voice*
.....aye, and a damn sight better than some of 'em too.
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I really didn't see anything particularly terrible about most of the quotes you posted. You took them out of context, which has the ability to make a lot of things sound dumb. I have always loved Khan's insane ramblings, I thought the one you quoted was quite good.
That cramps line is just Bones sense of humor. Even if these lines represent the worst of the old Trek movies dialogue, then I feel good knowing not one of them is half as bad as, "I like this ship! It is exciting!".
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
C3PX said:You took them out of context, which has the ability to make a lot of things sound dumb.
Which was exactly the point I was trying to make. Everything we've seen so far with Trek 09 has been seen out of context. I've not seen a single thing in any of the Trek 09 clips that sounds any worse than what came before it. In a few cases, it appears deeper and more serious than what came before it. To me, that's a good thing. There have been some moments in past Trek films that were so poorly written & acted that they're tough to watch. Nothing so far with 09 feels like that, to me.
Look, you guys have known me for a long time. You know I don't follow sequels blindly. Nor do I pull punches where their shortcomings are concerned. However, I don't speak for films I haven't seen yet either. It's the pre-haters that get tiresome. Just trying to throw a little logic their way. I get that they're concerned. That said; where the matter-of-fact statements and absolutes are concerned - before they've even seen the film - they're going to get some push-back. A second opinion with an occasional example.
In my world, Kirk & McCoy singing Row Row Your Boat is old Trek at it's most fucking ridiculous. If that scene were in one of the 09 clips, the internet would have imploded by now.
The same can be said for Scotty-isms. The "exciting" clip doesn't even remotely come off sounding as asinine as Scotty's "I know this ship like the back of my hand....*bonk*". And don't even get me started on "there be whales here", or "how many times do I have to tell ya - the right tool for the right job". Scotty has been comical for decades. "Hello compuytair".
A little perspective, man, that's all I'm after.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/09/star-trek-soundtrack-cover-tracklist-new-movie-images-amc-promo-video/
the Star Trek Soundtrack list:
1. Star Trek (1:03)
2. Nailin’ the Kelvin (2:09)
3. Labor of Love (2:51)
4. Hella Bar Talk (1:55)
5. Enterprising Young Men (2:39)
6. Nero Sighted (3:23)
7. Nice To Meld You (3:13)
8. Run and Shoot Offense (2:04)
9. Does It Still McFly? (2:03)
10. Nero Death Experience (5:38)
11. Nero Fiddles, Narada Burns (2:34)
12. Back From Black (:59)
13. That New Car Smell (4:46)
14. To Boldly Go* (:26)
15. End Credits* (9:11)
I see you point about that clip also being out of context, but it is still really dumb. At least the creators of the trailer for the Voyage home didn't feel the need to use Scotty's "There be whales" and "Hello computer" lines in the trailer. The Voyage Home was a pretty farcical and ridiculous movie to begin with. So was The Final Frontier. Row, Row, Row your boat in that film doesn't bother me too much, because the film as a whole is pretty worthless IMHO. I enjoy The Voyage Home actually, I find it amusing, but it is also one of first ST movies I remember seeing. Had I not been a kid the first times I watched it, and had I been a bigger ST fan by that time, I probably would have felt insulted by it.
"Hello computer" has got to be one of my favorite lines ever from any film (I'm exaggerating a bit). It is one of those things so deeply embedded in my brain that I quote it all the time without even thinking about it. I find myself saying it in a Scottish accent anytime my computer freezes or is going slowly.
Obviously the guy would have never seen an old computer with a mouse in his life, so it stands to reason he wouldn't have a clue how to use it. We are talking about technology that went obsolete a few hundred years before he was born. But that whole scene does come off as rather silly, expecially considering the fact that he finds his way around a qwerty keyboard, clocking in what looks like about 1,000 words per minute, just a few seconds later.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
William Shatner's The Final Frontier is seen as one of the worst star trek film by trek fans.
It all most killed the Star Trek Films.
Yes, Star Trek has it's jokey points, but the characters have been the characters.
Now, the New Kirk acts like Seth Green, The new Scotty acts wimpy and the new Spock comes off as a bitchy drag queen.
Anchorhead have you seen a Ed Wood film?
Ed Wood film are a different level of bad dialog, then the bad dialog of past Star Trek movies.
The past Star Trek movies or shows have never been at Ed Wood levels.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/08/3rd-star-trek-clip-now-online/
I think i will pay to see this movie for laughs because clip 3 is damn funny i must say.
To find out the story you will not get it spoiled in advance. The novelization was supposed to come out before the film now it is coming out after the film has already opened.
novel was pushed back from the 3rd of may to the 13th and the movie opens on the 9th i believe.
The screenplay had not been published in book form or posted online. There are no plans for a comic book adaptation.
The little that i can find of the making of the film will not be published til july in cinefex months after the film opens. No making of books. The story is held very secretive as well as how the film was made. The press screenings and premieres have had a rediculous level of security to prevent it appearing online as a cam boot.
The level of secrecy and security here have not been seen since since Return of the Jedi or the Lord of the rings trilogy, and made that look like a joke in comparison.
I want to read Orci and Kurtzmen version of the story through the intermediary of Alan Dean Foster and compare it against Shatners own academy story. It goes without saying neither match up with what little is known of the stories backstory Gene never bothered to write down. And if he did write down such things in notes and story drafts, only Majel or Dorothy Fontana would have been knowledgeable of such. None have been published. Majel passed away. DC Fontana has said nothing about treks origins. Neither of the 2 genes roddenberry and coon can talk beyond the grave either.
There were novels written in the past Like Final Frontier, The First adventure and Best destiny that outlined George Kirks backstory along with Robert April and James Kirk. Another book burning dreams told the unknown story of Christopher Pike. The level of canon of these novels has to be put into question, still even as trek EU they fit the old show and roddenberry canon like a glove. Unlike Say Shatner's or JJ versions where they just make stuff up we know to be incorrect.
I don't like how JJ and his guys are allowed to rewrite the canon and backstories and now these will be the accepted canon histories for treks universe and characters.
Despite the fact that it craps all over 3 seasons of star trek and six films. This is way worse than Berman, Braga and Moore ever did to star trek. Then Manny Coto came along and saved Enterprise in its final season by showing an absolute reverence for trek classic series canon, and the show still got cancelled.
You add up all the retcons since the premiere of star trek the next generation and it is not even a tenth of the destroying this new JJ movie does. Its essentially doing away with 40 plus years of canon and saying if your a fan too bad were gonna fuck up your favorite series and characters.
Its like Lucas revisisting Star Wars twenty years after the fact with a revisionist take totally at odds with the original trilogy and a blatant disregard for canon and that series continuity plot and characters. Changing things so much things on the surface superficially look the same but the universe has been reset and it was not necessary, it only made the true fans outraged.
If they labeled it as Star Trek Alternate, or Star Trek JJ Abrams Vision and allowed the previous shows and movies to stand as is people might not be as angry.
Still no matter what JJ does it cannot be as bad as Lucas having chewie and Yoda be best pals, Boba Fett a clone, anakin a whiny emo goth teenager who ends up being more annoying than Jar Jar. That is saying something when you turn a badass like Vader into a pussy who is more annoying than the worst sidekick/ comic relief character ever conceived for the silver screen.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
It will be pretty bad, skyjedi2005. I have decided not to see this film, period.
Hunter6 said:Anchorhead have you seen a Ed Wood film?
No
skyjedi2005 said:Still no matter what JJ does it cannot be as bad as Lucas having chewie and Yoda be best pals, Boba Fett a clone, anakin a whiny emo goth teenager who ends up being more annoying than Jar Jar. That is saying something when you turn a badass like Vader into a pussy who is more annoying than the worst sidekick/ comic relief character ever conceived for the silver screen.
How about turning the non-emotion Spock into a emotion wimp who looks like waxed transgender with a nerdy voice.
How about turning a great captain in the star trek world like Kirk into an smart-mouth dumb-a@@ little punk who acts like a teenager. It like Heyden's Anakin, but with an smart-a@@ mouth. (each time I see Chris Pine as Kirk, I just want to punch him in the face).
How about turning McCoy into a southern version of Woody Allen who is scarier off by a little short young woman.
How about having Sulu do jumping around sword-fighting like the jedi in the prequels. (The thing is Sulu does not have powers like an jedi)
How about turning The Classic Enterprise into a Deformed ship with an i-mac Bridge.
And So on....
The New Star Trek film seems to be worst then The Prequels.
Oh man!!!!
Hunter6 said:
How about having Sulu do jumping around sword-fighting....
Yeah, that feels completely out of charac.......
oh...wait a minute
