Compendium: PT references in OUT — Page 2

C3PX said:

Ah, you are right, TMBTM. Owen's dislike of Jedi, Obi-Wan, etc., was clearly explained in that single abstract gesture.

The scene was ridiculous anyway.This young married couple are out enjoying their favorite past time of starting up at the sky while standing in their backyard, and suddenly out of the darkened desert a strange cloaked and hooded figure riding a retarded looking animal emerges. Instead of the gruff farmer man grabbing his rife and going to see what this cloaked figure wants, he sends his petite and delicate looking little wife to check it out while he continues to stare at the setting suns. The young woman approaches the cloaked and shadowy stranger, and he hands her a bundle of something. Oh! It's a little baby! Mommy was wrong! Babies don't come from storks! They come from shady looking men in cloaks mounted upon stupid looking beast of burden! She turns her back to the shadowy man and runs back to her husband. "Owen, Owen, look! All our efforts in trying various positions has finally paid off! I knew I wasn't barren!" "Beru, what are you talking about? Who was that dangerous looking figure who wandered in from the desert? What's that bundle you're holding?" "Oh... I have no idea who he was... But look! He brought us a baby!" "Oh, that's nice dear. Raise him as soon as you can, I am thinking of letting go of a few of our hired hands and need all the extra help I can get. My word Beru! This sunset is beautiful!"

 

 

 Rotfl!

Akwat Kbrana said:

The PT leaves us with basically three options:

1. Obi-Wan is lying about much that happened in the prequel-era. Some of this is understandable (Obi-Wan has a natural disinclination to tell Luke, "Your father was a whiny, bratty, creepy, immature sociopath who somehow managed to bungle up everything that the previous thousand generations had built and accomplished, and all of the evil and suffering in the universe is his fault." Or, "Your father would've wanted you to have this when you were old enough, provided he hadn't turned to the dark side, murdered children, choked your mother, and forced me to dismember him and leave him to burn to death in a pool of lava."), but some of Obi's other "lies" just don't make sense. The way he refers to Yoda as "the Jedi master who instrcuted me" seems incongruous with the depiction of Obi-Wan's training in the PT, but why would he lie about it? Seems pretty irrational to me. Likewise, as has been pointed out, Obi-Wan in the PT was anything but reckless...why would he lie about it, to Yoda of all people, the one person who really would know one way or another?

2. Obi-Wan is remembering everything wrong. Senility has set in, and in order to cope with the troubles of the past, Obi-Wan has invented a fantasy history in which Anakin really was a good (though ultimately misguided) guy, he really did smilingly ask Obi-Wan to give Luke his lightsaber, Qui-Gon never existed (perhaps a defense mechanism to deal with the pain of losing his one father figure), and what stray memories of Anakin's recklessness have gotten through Obi's senility, he has reinterpreted to be his own recklnessness before reaching maturity. I admit this is a stretch, but I much prefer it to the "liar Obi-Wan" interpretation given above. Of course, the biggest problem with this is that Obi seems to misremember the past even as a Force Ghost. Do the effects of psychological trauma and repressed memory really continue to afflict a person after becoming "one with the force"? I'm inclined to say no, though I suppose it's not impossible.

3. The PT is an elaborate forgery, and Obi-Wan is right (save, of course, for the little white lie about Vader killing Anakin). Some meddling wannabe historian pieced together a hodge-podge representation of the history of the Clone Wars, and ended up getting a lot of details wrong. The PT should be disregarded when it clashes with the account of a credible eye-witness: Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Of course, I find option '3' the easiest to swallow, but it won't fly with TFNers. I don't really see any other way out, though. I'm perfectly happy to just write off the PT as poorly-written revisionist historical-fiction and consider "canon" only that which doesn't conflict with the OT...

 Good post. Fun. I agree with option 3.

bkev said:

-"You are reckless!"

-"So was I, if you'll remember."

Shoot me, for I'm about to cite the dreaded EU.  Obi-Wan almost wasn't chosen as a Padawan by anyone - heck, he even got sent off to work as a farm boy - because of his recklessness.  So there. :p

We shouldn't have to depend on the EU to patch up the holes in Lucas's storytelling.

R2-918 said:

I think Owen may have thought that Anakin should have stayed with him and Anakin's step-father and help them out with the moisture farm, after all Cliegg was married to Anakin's mother making Anakin a part of the Lars family and Cliegg even lost his leg looking for Shimi after the Sand People kidnapped her, Anakin could have been a big help for Cliegg and Owen on the farm.

 i had referenceded this in my first response. but you know, i think its a load of crap, "i can't go out again, 'til i heal!" BS!!! he says he really loved her! just go, i'm srry but he seems like a cowards to me.

good point, i still think the way he explains everything though is a bunch of bull. its just the way he talked that drove me nuts.

The contradictions alone makes me think Lucas never saw the OT, so he thought he was writing the PT from nowhere. But that brings in an unrelated question: how did he make the SE if he actually never saw the OT?

C3PX said:

Again, we are made to assume.

No matter what, anyone giving a defense to the prequels for anything is forced to read between the lines.

Even if he did give them communicate before hand, which I have no doubt is intended to be the case, it is still kind of dumb they'd just take the baby and say, "Be on your way then." Rather than saying, come on in, would you like a glass a blue milk? Need a place to stay for the night? What ever happen to good ol' Tantooinian hospitality?

I know they were going for brevity, which they accomplished well enough, but the whole thing comes off as rather staged. Reminds me of those reenactments done for documentaries. To me that scene just doesn't work in any kind of way.

 

 Well I'd assume he just "called" them and somehow convinced em to take Luke (do mind tricks work over the phone?)

Still, PT sucks, all of it