Bingowings said:
I noticed that the eyes were almost there already and half the heads are buried beyond the nose anyway.
And the statues seem to have a thing for wacky hats.
So according to this new plot-line of the Numoidians [sic] having once lived with the Gungans, do the Gungans know it is the Numoidians behind the invasion, or do they have any concept of what the trade federation is?
Sluggo said:Bingowings said:
I noticed that the eyes were almost there already and half the heads are buried beyond the nose anyway.
And the statues seem to have a thing for wacky hats.
So according to this new plot-line of the Numoidians [sic] having once lived with the Gungans, do the Gungans know it is the Numoidians behind the invasion, or do they have any concept of what the trade federation is?
My initial idea was that the Gungans would not see them as Gods because they are too sophisticated, but perhaps they decline to help the Naboo because these aliens look so like their Gods but when they see what they are really like change sides.
It's an idea that could be adapted in a variety of different ways.
Here's some mockups :
VERY cool mock-ups, Bingo. It could work. :)
doubleofive was the one who mentioned the new Vader footage for ROTS. Maybe he knows something the rest of us do not.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
Bingowings said:My initial idea was that the Gungans would not see them as Gods because they are too sophisticated, but perhaps they decline to help the Naboo because these aliens look so like their Gods but when they see what they are really like change sides.
Here's some mockups :
I think these are fantastic! It has a WARRIORS OF THE WIND/ NAUSICCA vibe going on.
And can we just call them the Federation and get rid of the "Trade" moniker (regardless of whether they are a competing Republic or not)? And the "taxes" and "boring stuff" in the scroll? And the movies? Hell, can we just make a completely new scroll and/or movie titles?
I also concur on giving the Nemoidians and Gungans an alien language and subtitles. It would allow some "catina-izing" with the mouths without having to have them mouth perfect english words (especially the really bad mouth FX on the Nemoidians).
You know, considering the Nemoidians are essentially "fish people", is there any way to slip in some Calimari too (that maybe the Calimari were part of the "Federation" and have held a long resentment for the Empire since the Prequel days)? You know, shrimp and fish go well together!
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Me? I don't remember where that was, somewhere buried in the sands of the EPV thread.
Here the quotes I can find on Ady's opinion on the PT:
TPM : had its good points but you never connected with the characters the way you did with the OT characters and relied to heavily on the visuals to get your attention and not the characters and story. The humour relied too much on childish slapstick which even my kids , who were very young at the time, didn't find funny and actually found irritating
AOTC: i loved this film when it came out. Much better than TPM but the whole love story just didn't work. there was no chemistry between the two actors. For this i don't just blame George but Hayden is a terrible actor. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that his wooden delivery was down to the director but NO. Having seen him in Awake and Jumper since, he's almost the same character and delivers his lines the same way he did in the PT. Although there was one scene that i felt was his best which was when his mother died. Very powerful scene. You could feel the rage and that was great. The whole love story being stylised on the 30s romantic films well what can i say apart from there was no similarity towards that genre whatsoever.
ROTS: a good film in general but it became rushed towards the end as he tried to resolve everything. The "turning to the dark side" story was dealt with badly also. he gave up everything & turned too quickly. he didn't even bat an eyelid when the emperor admitted that he had lied to him and that he didn't know the secret to save padme. Now if you had turned your back on everything for some guy who promised that he knew this secret to save the one you loved and then admitted he didn't, wouldn't you be pissed? i know i would and so would every other real person, which is why his characterisation failed.
yes i will be doing the prequels GoodMusician. Actually i can't wait to get my hands on them. In my personal opinion i think that TPM needs the most done to it. I remember being so excited about seeing that movie but when i stepped out of the cinema after seeing it, i can remember feeling weird. There was something so wrong with that movie. It just didn't feel like Star Wars. I didn't get that with the other 2 although i did cringe at some scenes and dialogue and felt like ROTS was so rushed at the end, but i really enjoyed watching those movies. I don't think that the lightsaber duel between Dooku & Yoda worked though. I think we shouldn't have seen him use a lightsaber until ROTS. I love the part when the troopers approach him from behind and he cuts them down on kashyyyk. Can you imagine how powerful that scene would have been if that was the first time we saw Yoda use a lightsabre? I do like the PT but they just don't stand up to the OT.
When i first planned on doing the saga i wanted to bring the saga together as a whole and not have the PT ruin many of the surprises in the OT, namely Leia being Lukes sister and Vader being Lukes father. I want them to be able to be watched in chronological order. So in ROTS you will not have Anakin named as Vader or even see him don the costume. The last we see of Anakin is being led away in the life support chamber after it leaves the shuttle. Leia will not be named either. Palpatine has Maul, Dooku & Grievous in the PT, so when we see Vader in ANH we will just think that he's just another henchman. We will hear mention of Vader in ROTS but not connected to Anakin. And also the problem with Leia remembering her real mother but Padme dies in ROTS will be fixed in the PT, so no changes are needed in ROTJ.
Ok, so that last one contradicts me in a way, but I could swear I saw that he wanted more suited footage in RotS...
Maybe that was another editor?
Star Wars Revisited Wordpress
Star Wars Visual Comparisons WordPress
Hopefully he's changed his mind since then.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
I hope not!
A Bingo head in a vaderios frame :
Look Sir! NY city
-Angel
Some crazy ideas I had for the prequels, some radical, others not so much:
Maybe TPM's finale could be arranged around Anakin taking out the droid controlship. Qui-Gon is dead, Amidala is captured, and the Gungans are dying on the battlefield. After Qui-Gon's death, Anakin hears his voice, like Luke heard Obi-Wan's voice during the Death Star battle. The line "Remember, feel don't think" could be re-used. Anakin pilots (not by accident) his ship into the droid controlship, and takes it out. This way, Anakin is the true hero of the Battle of Naboo, and we also see just how strong he is with the Force. It could also be a nice mirror of the earlier mentioned scene in ANH.
Another idea I had was having Qui-Gon's body disappear, after he dies. The explanation Jedi disappearing as given in ROTS felt forced, and never made much sense to me. If it's something a Jedi has to learn, how did Anakin manage to reappear as a ghost?
I have no trouble believing that a Jedi disappering after his death has something to do with his state of mind. Obi-Wan sacrificed himself, Yoda went prepared and peaceful to his death, as did Darth Vader. The same could be said for Qui-Gon. Jedi like Mace Windu and the Jedi who died in battle didn't disappear, because they couldn't "prepare" for the deaths.
Having Qui-Gon's body disappear would sidestep the problem of having a forced explanation in the final 5 minutes of ROTS.
An idea I had for for the Senate scenes in AOTC was to remove some of the lights of the Senate pods lined up against the wall. The crawl states that many systems have left the Republic, so the pods of the senators of those systems would be unused, and there wouldn't be any need to see those pods "activated". I think it would be a subtle way of showing just how much the Republic is falling apart, especially in contrast with TPM.
SilverKey said:Some crazy ideas I had for the prequels, some radical, others not so much:
Maybe TPM's finale could be arranged around Anakin taking out the droid controlship. Qui-Gon is dead, Amidala is captured, and the Gungans are dying on the battlefield. After Qui-Gon's death, Anakin hears his voice, like Luke heard Obi-Wan's voice during the Death Star battle. The line "Remember, feel don't think" could be re-used. Anakin pilots (not by accident) his ship into the droid controlship, and takes it out. This way, Anakin is the true hero of the Battle of Naboo, and we also see just how strong he is with the Force. It could also be a nice mirror of the earlier mentioned scene in ANH.
Another idea I had was having Qui-Gon's body disappear, after he dies. The explanation Jedi disappearing as given in ROTS felt forced, and never made much sense to me. If it's something a Jedi has to learn, how did Anakin manage to reappear as a ghost?
I have no trouble believing that a Jedi disappering after his death has something to do with his state of mind. Obi-Wan sacrificed himself, Yoda went prepared and peaceful to his death, as did Darth Vader. The same could be said for Qui-Gon. Jedi like Mace Windu and the Jedi who died in battle didn't disappear, because they couldn't "prepare" for the deaths.
Having Qui-Gon's body disappear would sidestep the problem of having a forced explanation in the final 5 minutes of ROTS.
An idea I had for for the Senate scenes in AOTC was to remove some of the lights of the Senate pods lined up against the wall. The crawl states that many systems have left the Republic, so the pods of the senators of those systems would be unused, and there wouldn't be any need to see those pods "activated". I think it would be a subtle way of showing just how much the Republic is falling apart, especially in contrast with TPM.
all of these ideas are awesome, i cant believe noone has thought of having quigon talk to anakin through the force yet! that would be especially awesome.
All brilliant ideas there, having Qui-Gon disappear would be difficult to work into a saga where Jedi vanishing is unheard of.
It might be seen as proof that he was onto something about Anakin but it would be difficult to reconcile with Vader's apparent WTF when Ben's body does it in ANH.
Unless in that context it becomes more of a "Oops! So he can do it too" sort of thing but Vader seems to take a lot of pride in it being Kenobi's final end and is still convinced of it in ESB (but that too could contexually change into Vader keeping more secrets from his master in the hope it will help him get the old bugger out of the way).
ben_danger said:SilverKey said:Some crazy ideas I had for the prequels, some radical, others not so much:
Maybe TPM's finale could be arranged around Anakin taking out the droid controlship. Qui-Gon is dead, Amidala is captured, and the Gungans are dying on the battlefield. After Qui-Gon's death, Anakin hears his voice, like Luke heard Obi-Wan's voice during the Death Star battle. The line "Remember, feel don't think" could be re-used. Anakin pilots (not by accident) his ship into the droid controlship, and takes it out. This way, Anakin is the true hero of the Battle of Naboo, and we also see just how strong he is with the Force. It could also be a nice mirror of the earlier mentioned scene in ANH.
Another idea I had was having Qui-Gon's body disappear, after he dies. The explanation Jedi disappearing as given in ROTS felt forced, and never made much sense to me. If it's something a Jedi has to learn, how did Anakin manage to reappear as a ghost?
I have no trouble believing that a Jedi disappering after his death has something to do with his state of mind. Obi-Wan sacrificed himself, Yoda went prepared and peaceful to his death, as did Darth Vader. The same could be said for Qui-Gon. Jedi like Mace Windu and the Jedi who died in battle didn't disappear, because they couldn't "prepare" for the deaths.
Having Qui-Gon's body disappear would sidestep the problem of having a forced explanation in the final 5 minutes of ROTS.
An idea I had for for the Senate scenes in AOTC was to remove some of the lights of the Senate pods lined up against the wall. The crawl states that many systems have left the Republic, so the pods of the senators of those systems would be unused, and there wouldn't be any need to see those pods "activated". I think it would be a subtle way of showing just how much the Republic is falling apart, especially in contrast with TPM.
all of these ideas are awesome, i cant believe noone has thought of having quigon talk to anakin through the force yet! that would be especially awesome.
it has been discussed lots before, just not in this thread.
SilverKey said:Some crazy ideas I had for the prequels, some radical, others not so much:
Maybe TPM's finale could be arranged around Anakin taking out the droid controlship. Qui-Gon is dead, Amidala is captured, and the Gungans are dying on the battlefield. After Qui-Gon's death, Anakin hears his voice, like Luke heard Obi-Wan's voice during the Death Star battle. The line "Remember, feel don't think" could be re-used. Anakin pilots (not by accident) his ship into the droid controlship, and takes it out. This way, Anakin is the true hero of the Battle of Naboo, and we also see just how strong he is with the Force. It could also be a nice mirror of the earlier mentioned scene in ANH.
This is a fine idea, and very doable.Kudos
Am I right in thinking this is a "Starkiller Thread got there first" topic Sluggo (not that it matters, a good idea is a good idea wherever it's posted)?
gaaah. :(
I'm just saying there is a lot of good reading out there for those who care to do it.
i agree, i was a bit surprised because i'm sure i read that whole thread.:P
Sluggo said:I'm just saying there is a lot of good reading out there for those who care to do it.
Oh agree entirely that thread is a gold mine, you posted a link to it on the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread so I'm doing the same here for those who haven't dived into it yet.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-legendary-Starkiller-Ranch-Thread/topic/3886/
Wow...where did you dig up THAT old fossil? LOL! I haven't read that thread in ages.
It's weird to go back and read stuff you wrote in 2005... Haha... I've learned so much since then. :)
I must say. Good times.
That thread was a blast.
Thanks for liking my ideas guys. I didn't know the rearranged finale of TPM had been suggested before. I've been following this thread for a while before I joined in, but I hadn't seen it before, and it was just something I thought up.
The prequel movie I'm most interested in fixing is AOTC, and I'm thinking of doing an edit of it sometime. Of course, TPM and ROTS could use some work as well, but I think there is a really interesting movie in the mess that is AOTC, but most of it has been left on the cutting room floor.
I'm mostly interested in the extended scenes on Tatooine. There were supposed to be scenes of Padme giving 3PO his plating, a conversation between Padme and Beru, and Anakin and Padme were originally to recieve Obi-Wan's call in the garage. I think especially that scene would have been interesting to see, because it would also have Anakin and Owen arguing whether Anakin should go to help Obi-Wan or not. Like, you know, Obi-Wan told Luke in ANH. There is some footage of this on the 2001 OT VHS release. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could tell me where to find it.
SilverKey said:Thanks for liking my ideas guys. I didn't know the rearranged finale of TPM had been suggested before. I've been following this thread for a while before I joined in, but I hadn't seen it before, and it was just something I thought up.
The prequel movie I'm most interested in fixing is AOTC, and I'm thinking of doing an edit of it sometime. Of course, TPM and ROTS could use some work as well, but I think there is a really interesting movie in the mess that is AOTC, but most of it has been left on the cutting room floor.
I'm mostly interested in the extended scenes on Tatooine. There were supposed to be scenes of Padme giving 3PO his plating, a conversation between Padme and Beru, and Anakin and Padme were originally to recieve Obi-Wan's call in the garage. I think especially that scene would have been interesting to see, because it would also have Anakin and Owen arguing whether Anakin should go to help Obi-Wan or not. Like, you know, Obi-Wan told Luke in ANH. There is some footage of this on the 2001 OT VHS release. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could tell me where to find it.
There is also footage of Anthony Daniels operating See Throughpio scattered through out various documentaries, you might be able to remove him to get some new shots.
obi wan in the garage would have had been a nice similarity to luke finding leia's hologram.
'Help me anakin, you're my only hope...'
AOTC edits are definitly the most interesting out of the PT, because it was where the overall PT plot was let down the most. i always feel that the PT movies seemed to be a bit offset. ideally TPM would introduce the idea of seperatists towards the end, so AOTC would only have to address the clones mystery and could have anakin start to doubt the jedi towards the end. ROTS could then start much closer to anakins fall from the jedi, and the other plot elements could culminate in a more complete ending.
the clone wars series adds to ROTS, and makes bits like the clone wars (obviously) grevious, obi wan and anakin's relationship etc, a bit more fleshed out, but really we shouldnt have to rely on a tv series to do this.