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But who kills Han? How could Han's death be handled that would be worthy and dramatic?
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Not bad, but if HAN died we'd REALLY need some reaction shots.
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He has a funny feeling like he's never going to see her again.
And... if we take away the ropes holding Han's feet to the sand cruiser over the Sarlaac Pit... it could also act as a hint to Han being attuned to the Force.
Hmm. I still say Han dies, though. I'll try to pick a moment in the film when this can be done later. Expect greatness.
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DarkFather said:He has a funny feeling like he's never going to see her again.
And... if we take away the ropes holding Han's feet to the sand cruiser over the Sarlaac Pit... it could also act as a hint to Han being attuned to the Force.
Hmm. I still say Han dies, though. I'll try to pick a moment in the film when this can be done later. Expect greatness.
LOL
Don't sell yourself short there. ;-)
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doubleofive said:Not bad, but if HAN died we'd REALLY need some reaction shots.
As for reaction shots, it could be something subtle. As when Luke is looking on at the ghosts, alter his expression slightly to reflect an underlying sadness. When Leia comes up behind him to beckon him over to the celebration, the alterations would need to be a lot more substantial... though at the same time not too hard to pull off: take away the broad smile, and replace it with a weaker smile to Luke that only lasts for a brief moment, while making it clear that she has tears running down her face.
Also, we could put a pire next to Anakin's for Han. It doesn't necessarily have to be a tradition exclusively for Jedi, but a tradition in honor of the greatest of heroes.
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He could fall into the Sarlaac with Boba. ;)
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I am not against him doing away with Lando if he wants, it is his edit. What I really would love if he would throw us a bone and simply a version where Lando lives, like the canon story goes. Even ANH:R got a purist version and it didn't even have any major story changes as this will. I don't see how it would take that much work to make a version with Lando living in. I'm all for effects improvements and error corrections.
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JasonN said:InfoDroid said:
When it comes down to it, he said he was sorry, but never really paid any consequences for his betrayal. Instead he was promoted to "General" and given command of a crucial assault on the Death Star.
Speaking of which, am I the only one who thought it was incredibly stupid and just plain "Huh?!" that Han was made into a General just after he was unfrozen?
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Did you not see Empire Strikes Back. He was a captain. He was the leader of several rebels. Plus Han did a lot of shit against the Empire more than anyone except luke.
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having lando die at the end of return of the jedi escaping the death star explosion sounds like a RIP OFF of shadows of the empire on easy mode where Dash Rendar dies escaping skyhooks explosion. Sounds exactly the same.
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Sevb32 said:I am not against him doing away with Lando if he wants, it is his edit. What I really would love if he would throw us a bone and simply a version where Lando lives, like the canon story goes. Even ANH:R got a purist version and it didn't even have any major story changes as this will. I don't see how it would take that much work to make a version with Lando living in. I'm all for effects improvements and error corrections.
It possibly would take some effort to blend the new elements in with the original ones (cleaned up for a smooth view) but I'm sure someone will do it.
Adywan doesn't have to be that person though (I'd much rather have him push on with TPM:R and let someone else take up the baton).
EyeShotFirst said:having lando die at the end of return of the jedi escaping the death star explosion sounds like a RIP OFF of shadows of the empire on easy mode where Dash Rendar dies escaping skyhooks explosion. Sounds exactly the same.
Or that game/book/comic/album was a recycle of ideas that should have been in ROTJ but George blinked.
Lucas says it was never his intension to kill off Lando but this is the same chap who says that Leia was always meant to be Luke's sister (when clearly she wasn't originally). The line about the Falcon is a bit weird if it was not intended to be foreshadowing.
Xizor is very much like Jejerrod was originally meant to be in early versions of the ROTJ script for example and the Imperial capital was a major location.
Just for those who aren't familiar with earlier versions of Jedi here's the relevant information from Wookieepedia :
According to Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays, Jerjerrod was originally a Grand Moff in earlier drafts of Return of the Jedi, and he played a more prominent role as Palpatine's "secret agent," operating behind Vader's back. Jerjerrod is described as a tall, confident technocrat who is Vader's rival. He's tasked with overseeing the transformation of the Green Moon of Had Abbadon into a paradise for the citizens of the overpopulated Imperial capital. While onboard Jerjerrod's shuttle, Vader informs him that he has sensed a Rebel presence on the moon, but Jerjerrod sees it as an insult to his work and refuses to believe it. Afterwards, Princess Leia and two Rebel pilots, flying a stolen Imperial transport, nearly collide with Jerjerrod's shuttle. Later into the movie, Vader and Jerjerrod descend to the Emperor's throne room overlooking a lake of lava, and they both kneel before the Emperor. The Emperor reprimands his apprentice for not capturing Luke—partly by Force-choking him—and asks him to leave. Once Vader departs, the Emperor confers with Jerjerrod, telling him to watch his apprentice closely. He also reveals two facts: that Luke will be replacing Vader, and that the Rebels are launching an attack on the Death Star. Following Luke's surrender, General Veers is ordered to take him to the Executor, but the shuttle captain informs the general that Luke is to be delivered to the Emperor on Had Abbadon. After Veers refuses to do such, the shuttle captain contacts Jerjerrod. But Luke is delivered to Vader, and a furious Jerjerrod storms in and demands to know why Luke was not delivered to the Emperor. Vader grabs the Grand Moff by the throat and kills him.
In the revised rough draft, Wedge Antilles is flying a captured TIE Fighter, but he panics, forcing Leia to go help him. After an Imperial flight controller asks for their clearance code, Jerjerrod's shuttle moves in, and Leia believes that they were going to board. But her captured transport is given clearance. Vader and Jerjerrod converse after this. Vader complains that the Emperor has not been in contact with him; Jerjerrod attempts to avoid an argument, but Vader demands an explanation for his return to the capital. The Grand Moff informs Vader that the Emperor is not pleased with his apprentice's failure in capturing Luke Skywalker and has therefore reassigned him to oversee the construction of the two new Death Stars. Jerjerrod explains to a furious Vader that the Emperor believes Vader still has feelings for his son and that only he (the Emperor) would be able to turn young Skywalker to the dark side. Jerjerrod reveals that the Emperor is aware of the impending Rebel attack, and that Luke, who is on Tatooine at the time, will soon be in the hands of the Empire. Onboard the Executor, Vader asks Admiral Firmus Piett where the Grand Moff is; he replies that Jerjerrod is inside the private communications chamber, but all surveillance equipment has been disabled and his coded transmission is undecipherable. Jerjerrod converses with the Emperor's holographic form, and Palpatine orders him to deliver Luke before him without Vader finding out about it. The Grand Moff notes that the Rebel attack should be ample to distract the Dark Lord from finding his son, allowing the Emperor to turn young Skywalker to the dark side. After Luke is delivered to the Emperor and Vader discovers this, he kills Jerjerrod.
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can we not have a poll. on the subject.
Han Dies
Lando Dies
Neither Dies
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I can't see the point of a poll.
It won't change a thing and it won't stop the debate.
It will only be representative of the people reading this thread who could be bothered to vote and it would miss out the people who don't care either way.
Surely the fun of fan-editing is that any combination is possible if you want to put the effort in.
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OMG is this thread serious?
AxiaEuxine said:I am sure I don't speak for just myself when I say I enjoy the EU, enjoy it immensely. Adywan has revealed that he intends to destroy the entire EU with his plans for ROTJ:R. I for one love your work Adywan and I respect that you dont want to ADD anything from the EU into your Revisted trilogy but pleeeeease dont make the entire EU irrelevant by killing off Lando, or any other major character.
Im begging here Adywan. Begging I tell ya.
i have to thank you for proving my reasons why i have stated so many times why the EU will have nothing to do with my Revisited edits. It stifles any form of creativity when creating a fan edit. Episodes 1 -6 is all that count in these edits and i personally don't give a rats ass if something i do ruins the EU. For gods sake you really need to learn what a fan edit actually is. the clue is in the title. Is isn't something that is supposed to be canon. It is an editor bringing HIS (or her) vision of a certain movie to life. They are what path they believe a movie should take. To hell with the EU. I have stayed away from most the EU and now i know why. I stated in my ESB:R thread that i won't be budging on my decision to kill off Lando in ROTJ:R and that the only way i won't go through with it is if i can't accomplish what i want convincingly, yet you decide to start a thread to try and get the support to make me change my mind. IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN SO PLEASE GIVE IT A REST. There are plenty of Star Wars edits out there and if you don't like something i do then why not do your own?
AxiaEuxine said:It does and I will but I know nothing of film editing and have no interest in learning. I have enough time-sucking hobbies.
Well i knew almost nothing about editing when i started ANH:R but i was committed enough to bother to learn. But as you said you can't be bothered to learn so please don't be offended when i just ignore your begging about ruining the damn EU if you can't be bothered to do something about it yourself.
Its not as if the Revisited edits are now to replace the originals. they are still out there and available and your precious EU follows them. but don't expect mine to worry about anything that happens in the EU because it won't. I really don't know how many more times and how much more clearly i can explain this. If you don't get it after all this then i just give up.
EyeShotFirst said:having lando die at the end of return of the jedi escaping the death star explosion sounds like a RIP OFF of shadows of the empire on easy mode where Dash Rendar dies escaping skyhooks explosion. Sounds exactly the same.
Well i have never played SOTE of even seen the game so even if that was how he was to die i certainly wouldn't be ripping it off. I always had an idea almost straight after seeing ROTJ in 1983 that Lando should have died. i had even planned it and wrote it down and i still have the outline i wrote. it took away the rehash of ANH feeling i had away from it. One thing i couldn't understand is why the hell would the emperor not protect the main core from torpedoes after what happened to the original DS? That just didn't make sense and still doesn't. My original outline was what if they reached the core and the torpedoes had no impact at all on the shielding. what do they do? the only ship large enough to do any sort of damage was the falcon. i had planned to have lando ram the core as he screams "yeeehaa" and it is wedges X-wing that you see just escaping the death star just before it explodes. But bloody independence day went and did it. i still love that idea but can i still do it now that film came out? i don't know. i may have to find an alternative ending somehow. now after the SE came out and the PT there was an extra part i wanted to see after the DS explodes which ties in all the celebrations around the galaxy. that, i am keeping secret for now.
So please stop thinking that applying any form of pressure to get me change my mind will ever work because it won't. I'm a Taurus so a stubborn bugger. lol
EyeShotFirst said:can we not have a poll. on the subject.
Han Dies
Lando Dies
Neither Dies
oh god. a poll about who does or doesn't die? you can't seriously think that i'll even bother to look at it let alone change my mind.
god this is just getting out of control now. I seriously think i need a break from all this crap for a long time.
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oh dear. who wants to start the 'SAVE ADYWAN!!!!' thread?
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Well that's what happens when you become famous adywan, you have fans that want control over your decisions ;]
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I think this thread is as serious as you want it to be.
In some ways it's great that it exists because it's a pressure valve and there have actually been a couple of good ideas pop up on here which might make fun projects in their own right.
I hope some of the ideas that popped up here get carried over onto less single issue threads for further discussion.
No-one expects anyone to change anyone's mind on these pages but it hasn't been a total waste of time.
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i guess i'm just a bit cranky today cuz i've been up for 3 days solid so i could get the last few shots of yoda finished and out the way. Pumped full of energy drinks isn';t the best time for me to come here and read this thread i guess. lol
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adywan said:i've been up for 3 days solid so i could get the last few shots of yoda finished and out the way.
Wow, don't hurt yourself lol
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ben_danger said:oh dear. who wants to start the 'SAVE ADYWAN!!!!' thread?
So rather than Adywan burning to death he gets some sleep and joins the Ewok celebration? No. Maybe he would prefer to burn to death! LOL!
.frank.
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adywan said:god this is just getting out of control now. I seriously think i need a break from all this crap for a long time.
This board'll do that to you. ;)
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I always sort of guessed it would be something smaller that would still disregard the EU. Like, say, Leia not being Luke's sister?
I dunno', that's always seemed like the obvious choice to me.
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or maybe Luke dies, and Vader survives. at endor he gives Leia Luke's sabre before he self immolates on a pyre with his son.
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REALLY????
hahaha.
This is Adywan's movie and no one else's, he is just gracious enough to let us see them. Let him do whatever he damn well pleases.
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Sorry for the attacking but is their a possible way for your release to have an alternate lando dies version and a lando lives version.
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