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Vaderisnothayden
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So what exactly are you a fan of?
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6-Apr-2009, 3:00 AM
DarkFather said:

"moral wisey wisey nicey nicey"

o_O ..... Moral? He was a disgruntled idealist. He was definitely one of the grayer Jedi. Wise? Somewhat. Nice? Partly, but I wouldn't say overall.

He blatantly cheated in the dice game with Watto. A goody-goody would've accepted fair play all around.

Qui-Gon was like the only one who reflected what the audience thought of Jar-Jar ("the ability to speak does not make you intelligent") and kept him in line (catching his tongue at the dinner table). A goody-goody would've probably smiled and played along with the antics, or acted like Jar-Jar was just like everyone else.

He cut off one of Obi-Wan's comradey joke to him about Anakin ("another pathetic life form") A goody-goody would've said something like "I think you'll see that he's a great kid once you get to know him!"

He was more than willing to draw lines with the queen ("no more orders from your highness today") A goody-goody would've said "Okay" right off the bat.

The only thing close to a "goody goody" in the PT was Lloyd's Anakin.

Those arguments fail to take into consideration the actual way the character came across. It's not just what he did, it's the psychology and mentality of how he did what he did and how it came across. Compare him to Alex Guinness's Kenobi. That Kenobi is so much more relaxed and at ease. He's not so pushed to be a good guy. He just is what he is.

Yes Qui Gon acted pushed to be moral. So what if he cut a few corners here or there or was harsher in some places, he still comes off as a character very much caught up in his moral code.

And It's also pretty clear that your definition of a goody goody is different from mine. Yet again, you're arguing with me based on totally misunderstanding what I'm saying. I don't see what's the point of that. We're talking about two totally different things.

And just because Qui Gon is not as mind-bogglingly uptight and rigidly moral as some of the other Jedi doesn't mean he wasn't still a goody-goody with a conspicuous moral hangup.

I know subtleties can be hard to see, but please try.

As for your last sentence, you need to take another look at the prequel Jedi and Padme and various other characters.