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Because he is a creepy pedo with such a deep desire for some young Link to call his own, he managed to find a way to travel between timelines. So he can stalk every Link throughout history, with hopes that he can get them alone in a room or alley with him, so he can show them his hot air ballon... or whatever it is he is always floating on.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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No, he just wants Link to wrap his boyish hands around the Tingle Tuner. That's all. Nothing at all strange about that. ^_~

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Words fail me.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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You know, it occurred to me WHY the Windwaker style has been purused.  If I recall correctly, Mr. Miyamoto based the Zelda games on cave-exploring he used to do when he was a kid.  Hence, the light imaginative look to the newer games.  It's to appeal to everyone's inner child, I guess... I mean, I never cared for it myself - but after analyzing it too much - like I do everything else - it makes more sense.

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But as long as we're on the subject of the Tingle Tuner, I have to add that's when the technology officially got too far in, and I just couldn't deny it anymore.  It's not the first time they've incorporated their own products, but at least the Stone of Agony (Rumble Pak) was just a magic stone in a funny shape.  But how can you have a working Game Boy Advance and have it be anything but a Game Boy Advance?  Sigh.  Whatever.  Now we have trains, and Link working a GBA sounds tame in comparison.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I was hoping for a new Wii Zelda, but as good as Phantom Hourglass was, I'm stoked for this release.

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I surprised you guys are not complaining About Mario and Luigi being in links awakening with their names changed or being similarly in Ocarina of time.

Your not compliaining about the time travel device which is clearly science fiction being in a Zelda game.

or that Twilight Princess was a ripoff of another wolf game.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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First of all, similarly-designed cameos do not a horrible, continuity-warping mistake make.  Besides, where is a Luigi analogue in Link's Awakening?  What you should be using to prove your point are the actual Mario character easter egg portraits in OoT.

And, sky, if you're going to complain about so-called science fiction concepts finding their way into fantasy (considering time travel has never been a concept limited to science fiction), you should hate Star Wars for its fantasy concepts infringing on a science fiction world.

But putting a train into a medieval world?  How is that justifiable?  In the next game, they might as well give Link wireless internet access and a Bluetooth headset.  Could we finally agree that that would be going too far?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Time travel, being a fictional concept, has no law saying it must be done via technology (sci-fi) or magic (fantasy).

Cameos don't bother me, nor do easter eggs. Because they are just that, cameos and easter eggs.

As for Twilight Princess being a ripoff of another werewolf game (I don't know what the other game is, Bloodmoon maybe?), lycanthropy has been around a lot longer than video games. Ripoff or not, I think the use of that concept is fair game.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Gaffer Tape said:

 

And, sky, if you're going to complain about so-called science fiction concepts finding their way into fantasy (considering time travel has never been a concept limited to science fiction), you should hate Star Wars for its fantasy concepts infringing on a science fiction world.

My thoughts exactly. Apparently traveling faster than light is a snap in the Star Wars universe.

Because FUCK Einstein.

 

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As for Twilight Princess being a ripoff of another werewolf game (I don't know what the other game is, Bloodmoon maybe?), lycanthropy has been around a lot longer than video games. Ripoff or not, I think the use of that concept is fair game.

My guess was Okami. But they were released within months of each other and probably were developed at the same time. Both amazing... and you can play both of them on the Wii!

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Okami is often compared to Ocarina of Time, and obviously barrowed a lot from OoT's style. And you play a wolf the whole way through. Kind of funny, I haven't played either Okami or Twilight Princess yet, they are both games I have been extremely interested in since their release, but never got around to picking up.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Gaffer Tape said:

But putting a train into a medieval world?  How is that justifiable?  In the next game, they might as well give Link wireless internet access and a Bluetooth headset.  Could we finally agree that that would be going too far?

To be entirely honest, I was intrigued by the "Link to the Future" hoax some time back. Setting a medieval fantasy in a high-tech society is something that's never been done right, but DAMN I want it to so much, and I figured the Zelda team might have been able to pull it off.

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That would be something completely different though. If it was explained in the story that Link was somehow thrown through time into the future, then it would no longer be stupid anachronisms like a steam engine in medieval times. Though such a story may be kind of silly, to me it would be forgivable.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I know the train thing is still a big stretch but WindWaker was set hundreds of years after Ocarina of Time when the seas have risen and acient Hyrule is buried under water and all that remains are islands.  Link and Zelda get reincarnated in their descendants.

Zelda is a sea pirate. Link is just some boy whos grandma gives him a weird elvish outfit.

In other Zelda games their was an ananchronism in their being a postal system.  They had no such thing in the middle ages, but hyrule is not earth and its all make believe anyway and the games are made for kids and the young at heart.  

I agree the train thing is lame, but the demographic being Children who own DS systems and kids like trains its a no brainer for sales potential.

Even being a huge Zelda fan because of Nostlagia even i can admit that the games and their themes are juvenile in nature.  The stories are cool, and the music too, and the games are damn fun to play.  But their are really no adult themes in the game, no realistic boodshed or killing or sex.  A reason why older folks gravitate to the PS3 and XBOX360.

Zelda games are very much made for a pre-teen audience to like 12 year olds.  While the Final Fatasy games are more geared toward young teens to middle teens.

I know of very little adult level fantasy games out there.  Whether for the PC, 360 or PS3.  I mean there is fable 2.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Zelda isn't 'set in medieval times' because it doesn't take place on Earth. Fantasy worlds are not neccesarily bound to the same technological progression that happened here.

Heck, look at Final Fantasy--they have huge airships and mecha, yet they ride on giant birds for ground transport and still fight with swords and shields.

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Well, Chalts, I'm glad you said that since I'm working on my own fantasy story right now that has technological progression different from that of our own.  And don't think I didn't see the potential hypocrisy in my earlier statements as I was writing them.  However, The Legend of Zelda has classically represented itself as a world nearly analagous to a medieval fantasy world.  It wasn't until Link's Awakening (a side-story) that any kind of anachronistic technology was introduced.  Since then, there have been neon lights, complicated machinery, and now trains.  While Zelda technically can get a pass on these things by sheer logic of it being fantasy and not tied to our world, it seems to be trying to be too many things at once lately. 

The most interesting defense I've seen of Spirit Tracks is that technology would progress from the first game, so trains would eventually be feasible.  I would like to take a moment to say that the Mario games seem to be subject to the same technological ramifications, where the Mushroom Kingdom seems to be quickly evolving from an old-fashioned fantasy kingdom to a much more modern one.  While that occasionally seems a bit difficult for me to swallow, I can more easily go along with it for two reasons:  lack of continuity and lack of attempt of realism.  The Mario series is intentionally goofy and cartoony to a much greater extent than any entry in the Zelda series, and hardly any Mario game has any kind of narrative connection to any other Mario game.  Therefore, Mario is much more of an open slate, and they can pretty much do anything with him.

As for Zelda, while they don't maintain a heavily-connected timeline, they have created a timeline and, in recent years, connections between entries in the series.  While it's never been presented overtly or as a huge deal, it is something that significantly separates the Zelda series from the Mario series.  Continuity does exist.  To that end, the argument I mentioned above falls apart since most Zelda games of recent years have been prequels or put towards the beginning the established timeline.  In fact, the oldest games in the series seem to be the most chronologically recent.  And we've seen the world they established:  extremely medieval-like with no anachronistic technology save for magic.

Granted, my entire argument could easily fall apart either by my lack of knowledge of the actual game or by future retcons in Nintendo's arsenal.  I don't know where on the timeline Spirit Tracks is supposed to be (although I assume it connects to Wind Waker Link), and, even after all these years, I don't know how the split timeline/Hyrule flooding created in Wind Waker will ultimately connect to the older, chronologically-later Zelda games.  It could be that a whole new Hyrule had to be created in wake of the flood and that, therefore, everything is technologically rebooted, explaining why there is less technology in the future of the Zelda universe.  I don't know.  But I still think trains in the Zelda universe is weird.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Good post Gaffer, exactly some of the stuff I was going to say, but you beat me to it.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Heh, it's about damned time!  You've been beating me to the punch on far too many things lately.  We need a balance of spewing out our unavoidably similar thoughts.

EDIT:  But I'm going to go ahead and call myself out before somebody else gets the chance.  There are elevator-like lifts in Zelda II, but there is no indication that they are electronically-operated.  But they do exist, so I'll go ahead and throw that one out there to be fair.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.