Darth Piccolo said:here's one when luke is falling, can he make it look less fake
I think that has something to do with:
(1) the speed with which Luke falls
(2) his clothes aren't flapping in the wind. Maybe one could take other scenes of people falling an incorporate them into EMPIRE (I'm thinking about the end of OPEN YOUR EYES/ ABRE LOS OJOS, when Eduardo Noriega jumps off the building - you never see his face and it is VERY convincing).
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Monroville said:(I'm thinking about the end of OPEN YOUR EYES/ ABRE LOS OJOS, when Eduardo Noriega jumps off the building - you never see his face and it is VERY convincing).
I just had to say THANK YOU for seeing Abre los Ojos instead of Vanilla Sky. Far superior film.
Back on topic, I don't think Luke's fall is too bad, but I wouldn't mind a bit more clothes-flapping to it.
Anyone got stills of Luke's fall? I know we won't being to see the supposed no flapping in stills, but how about a gif?
adywan said:i'm going to maybe add a faint saber glow on lukes face only in a couple of closeups. the whole glow issue seems to have been overdone a bit in the PT but the bit where they swing the sabers around their heads in AOTC is going anyway so the other glows are so quick you hardly notice them anyway
REPLY - Excellent. That will be a good compromise for the 'Empire:R' shots, without having to worry about every possible surface reflection throughout. These couple of 'close-ups' of Luke's face alone, will be a welcome, subtle touch.
R2's jets are also going in the PT so they won't be added in the OT. I hate all the bloody EU explanations for everything which is why all that crap is staying out of Revisited.
REPLY - At last! I never did like their addition to R2 in the 'prequels', despite ANY of the 'official' suggestions given for their lack of inclusion in the 'Original Trilogy'. I'm really pleased that R2 is going to remain grounded in these future edits.
The rotating room is an interesting idea but just wouldn't work. i've been looking over that scene again and the scale of things is all messed up. the cloud car is too big when it reaches the building. either that or the lift on the side of the building is for midgets only. maybe it was the ugnaught only lift. lol. it does need a new matte. i was thinking about shrinking the window a bit but leia needs to be the focal point of that shot so that may not work. plus the window needs to be higher up on the building because the interior ceiling is too low down. Is it worth all the extra work to try and sort out the continuity mess though? i'm not so sure at the moment.
REPLY - Thanks for the update on this one. As I recently described, even a little tweaking to the 'interior' detail of the 'apartment window', and the removal of the uppermost 'roof framework' would make a big difference to the existing continuity. However, if you DO decide to go further, then that's even more than I could have hoped for.
(Oh and Sevb32, regarding your recent request for a 'flipped into reverse' clip of the 'city fly-through' to be put up - just get a mirror out to watch it in, I tells ya, and have those 'pause' / 'reverse' remote buttons at hand)
By the way, has anyone else had any problems with page 300 freezing up half-way through the 13th post down by Dangerous Incorporated? I seem to remember this happened a while ago, but can't remember what caused it. Anyway, It's still frozen at my end, and if anyone else can see the whole page, did I miss anything of interest?
same with me IMP, but nothing of significance was missed (I assume)
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one thing i'm glad they got rid of in the 2007 version is luke's screaming on the way down. it barely sounded like him and somehow didn't match up with the expression on his face as he was falling.
i know we've been away from hoth for awhile, but i recently just read ESB novel again and found something. when one speeder is shot it steers into the face of one of the AT-AT's and blows the head up. idk if we want to add this. i just thought i'd throw it out there.
Darth Piccolo said:hey ady, ever considered adding the lightsaber interative lightinglike vaderios example
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jeez i'm stunned any of you can have such a strong opinion of ady's plans for the PT
sure he's wanting to cut a lot out, but remember why he wanted to buy that hi-def camcorder so bad rather than rent one.... so he can film new elements and sequences for the PT as well
with it being so many years off yet, who knows where we'll be on a tech level by then, miracles can happen - maybe someone will invent some software that will convincingly map an original actors voice over a new/better delivery of a line by someone who can deliver the lines with the energy that is so sadly absent from most of the PT. or quick/accurate/convincing method of lip syncing existing footage to whole new lines.
i haven't watched any fanedits of the PT yet, purely because from what i've read none of them are radical enough to save them. i hope by the time ady reaches them the sky will be the limit with what is achievable, because ripping them to shreds barely begins to cover what's needed.
if you like the PT as is good for you - but don't try to put ady off revisiting them and giving the majority (i think) of us the only hope we have of ever getting something remotely close to the PT we always wanted.
also TESB:R is looking real good so far :)
Without wishing to further continue any 'prequel:REVISITED' speculation, I'd just like to concur with a lot of what professa just posted. I sure hope that everyone NOW waits until Adywan's first 'PREQUEL' thread appears before anymore lengthy discussions / speculation continue on....
Stick it on the RADICAL PREQUEL IDEAS thread at the moment if you can't wait, or create a seperate one for early speculation / niggles.
I'll look forward to that as much as the next person here, but in the meantime, the NEXT member to bring up something about ANY prequel-related issue whatever, that DOESN'T have a bearing on this 'Empire' thread....is officially a pain in the ass! (excepting anything Adywan brings up about them here, and wishes feedback on, of course) ;)
Oh, and also excepting any new members that come in after this post, that don't know any better.
Now where are my 'Meds'?
Good point, I.F.
That's why I stopped reading the X0 thread. No progress, all BS.
Well I hope you stick around this one Sluggo, as there's still a few surprises left in this baby....
I've a few more myself that haven't been covered yet, when I get the time soon.
Jedi Dark Knight said:Darth Piccolo said:hey ady, ever considered adding the lightsaber interative lightinglike vaderios example
This is so cool! I have seen other saber-on-face effects for luke in Cloud City but this one really sells it! As always Adywan will give the final word but this truly lives up to the hype....amazing
yeah I gotta stick my neck out and say this is awesome. the best part about this effect is that it's the first time you will actually see a reflection considering the other few times you see the saber activated it's well lit, so there was clearly not as much need for it. i'm interested to see the light saber in conjunction with vader's glossy helmet, etc. purely great.
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ImperialFighter said:Well I hope you stick around this one Sluggo, as there's still a few surprises left in this baby....
I've a few more myself that haven't been covered yet, when I get the time soon.
Oh, I'm not going anywhere. Ady is totally good about using suggestions when they work for him. And his project is moving forward. I love seeing the creativity, ideas and observations that members have about these movies.
One last gripe and then I am done. No disrespect to our pal Adywan, but he is too well liked, if you take my meaning. All we see on these threads is "Ady should do this and Ady should do that". I would love to see some other members on this board step up and learn some of the skills Ady is famous for. Imagine what could be done if three or four people had his talent. So it isn't a complaint about Ady, but about pretty much everyone else. ;) Not sure why it bugs me, but it does.
Rant over.
Was the X-wing ladder issue ever decided?
I'm sure Ady is keen on people doing their own thing but that's why there are other threads and what the post a new topic button is for.
This thread is about Ady's current project so it makes sense that people would be saying "Maybe you should do this" and "Perhaps you should do that", we aren't all Ady (unless I've not been keeping up with staff meetings) ;-)
Monroville said:mumbles_ said:Vaderios:Then again, some lighting could be added to the hallway, or some Ridley Scott lighting effects.
Not exactly sure what you mean by Ridley Scott lighting (lack of lighting? lol) but I think this is a great idea, add some sort of flickering light (or would that be too ghetto?) to give some realism (ex. in the hangar bays) when it's an obvious matte. There is a scene in ROTJ which I had in mind.
Like how in BLADE RUNNER or his earlier films where he used smoke so as to shine light through it to create nice beams of light coming into the room. A good example would be the Leon interrogation in the beginning of BR.
aaah yes. that was excellent... similar to some of the James Cameron 'laser' lighting in Terminator and the beginning of Aliens with the scanning machine. I'm down for that if it's pulled off right.
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I didn't see this mention in Ady's list of to do things and I thought I'd mention it. There are still matte boxes around the spaceships in certain scenes, some were cleaned up for the DVDs some were not, like the establishing shot of The Executor and another SD moving beside it before Piett walks in on Vader unmasked. You can see the matte box moving on the SD.
^I've noticed that too, especially with TIEs. I have no doubt he will try to eliminate every single matte box in the movie. :)
So when are we going to see the sneak peek of the new wampa stuff? Bring it brother Ad!!
^^ YES! I too am really looking forward to Ady's take on the Wampa. I'm wondering if the new wampa will be a cross between the other wampa designs or something a bit more out there?
Nice to hear that the wobble is gone! Sorry to hear it was such a task though. Also, I'm very glad to hear we'll be seeing a little saber glow on Luke.
"I am betting we see all the movies released on blu ray by the end of 2011, including the TPM with CG Yoda."
^^ Not to sound anti-GL, but I spent years hoping they'd get around to adding a CG Yoda into TpM but in the end all we got was another re-release with the same puppet and some teasing of a CG Yoda in the special features of RoTS (which I still don't get) Anyway - my point is I have almost NO hope GL or ILM will make any effort to improve Yoda's appearance...or a number of other issues in the Saga.
Sadly, there just aren't enough people like Ady out there who actually care enough to make these movies the best that they can be.
DF Shadow said:^^ YES! I too am really looking forward to Ady's take on the Wampa. I'm wondering if the new wampa will be a cross between the other wampa designs or something a bit more out there?
Nice to hear that the wobble is gone! Sorry to hear it was such a task though. Also, I'm very glad to hear we'll be seeing a little saber glow on Luke.
"I am betting we see all the movies released on blu ray by the end of 2011, including the TPM with CG Yoda."
^^ Not to sound anti-GL, but I spent years hoping they'd get around to adding a CG Yoda into TpM but in the end all we got was another re-release with the same puppet and some teasing of a CG Yoda in the special features of RoTS (which I still don't get) Anyway - my point is I have almost NO hope GL or ILM will make any effort to improve Yoda's appearance...or a number of other issues in the Saga.
Sadly, there just aren't enough people like Ady out there who actually care enough to make these movies the best that they can be.
It was already said they replaced the TPM Yoda with the CG version, we can already see a short clip of it on the ROTS DVD, Pablo Hildalgo said in the SW insider it would be on a release someday but didn't know when, and I am betting it will be on the blu-ray set.
And to your comment "there just aren't enough people like Ady out there who actually care enough to make these movies the best that they can be"
The same goes for any movie ever made can have several things corrected, people aren't as obsessive compulsive as we are on films. Any film can be put thru the ringer and many things corrected in it technically. The film industry doesn't have endless non deadline times to work on things.
It's like with anything. I am sure there are people more obsessed with every detail in a Stephen King novel than Mr King was himself. Same goes for George Lucas and SW, he isn't as quite obsessive compusive with these films as we are. Same goes for just about any director and their films.
Sluggo said:One last gripe and then I am done. No disrespect to our pal Adywan, but he is too well liked, if you take my meaning. All we see on these threads is "Ady should do this and Ady should do that". I would love to see some other members on this board step up and learn some of the skills Ady is famous for. Imagine what could be done if three or four people had his talent. So it isn't a complaint about Ady, but about pretty much everyone else. ;) Not sure why it bugs me, but it does.
I agree with you on that Sluggo, it would be great if there were several 'Adywan types' out there who could work on other different movies that are also well-loved, but in need of a nice fix or two.
However, it's not just a case of lots of us learning how to use certain software. What Adywan has in abundance is an artistic skill. He has a gift for 'composition' and 'layout', and has a clinical eye for detail on top of this. As far as the technical side of things, it also seems that he is very, very advanced in his knowhow of software in general. Sure he might need help with certain things, but I believe he's quite exceptional in general.
Software knowledge without the 'artistry' is not going to give the same results as what we are getting here. I think that's why quite a few people are keen to add their 2 cents for his consideration, as there is unlikely to be such an enhanced Star Wars project as his particular 'revisited saga' project again. So we hope it has as many of the little things added to it, that we individually always wished to see.
Who'd have originally thought there was so many potential fixes and changes that could be done on 'Empire:Revisited' when this project started. There's already been a multitude that we know about, and I'm sure there'll be quite a few yet, that we won't see until the eventual release.
As Sevb32 alluded to, it's just a shame that this level of commitment and thought (and er....obsession) wasn't done in the first place in so many instances to do with the eventual SE of the OT....considering the resources, technical staff, and years of planning that there was at the time....
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wow, my comments really stirred something up with the PT crowd.
Dangerous Incorporated said:I dont think the PT should really be touched that much. If you dont like them then dont watch them let alone re-edit them. It sounds like your planning on sabotaging them Ady.
Dangerous Incorporated said:Obviously if Im saying that he shouldnt watch them if he doesnt like them then Im not going to watch his Revisit of the PT if he ends up sabotaging it based on his dislike for them. If he doesnt like them then why touch them? Its not that hard a concept to grasp I dont think. He just should stick to the OT and not watch the PT just as I wont watch his PT if he sabotages them based on his dislike for them.
Dangerous Incorporated said:DarkFather said:If he doesn't like them, why touch them?
Because he sees the potential there to make something decent, via hard work in editing.
"It's not that hard a concept to grasp"
Not at the expense of damaging the movie though. Ripping them apart as he puts it doesnt sound positive. Anyway I was over this 2 posts ago but some of you SW fans can really hold a grudge!! None of this is ESB related.
AxiaEuxine said:adywan said:i just can't wait to get my hands on those PT moies so i can rip them to shreds.
gawd you depress me so much when you say things like that. I love ANHR and ESBR seems to be right on track as far as quality and vision goes. Yet your vision of the pequels seems to be the same as everyone elses and that means gutting them. With everything you've said that you are taking out of the prequels there doesnt seem to be enough material left for one movie, let alone three. Im just sad I wont have a revisited prequel trilogy to go along with the OTR.
Sevb32 said:I think some people have huge adult egos that when anything slapstick or childlike, their "I'm an ADULT and too sophisticated to enjoy that" ego prevents them from liking it.
Than being said, if you added up all the slapsticky moments in TPM they would likely take up less than 2 minutes screentime.
ok, where the hell does it say that i don't like the PT? i have NEVER stated that i hate it anywhere. In fact i have, on numerous occasions, stated that i do somewhat enjoy the PT but that they just don't fit with the feel of the OT and that they are substandard movies compared to the OT. This is a fact. The PT will NEVER be looked upon as classic movies the same way that the OT was. Adult egos preventing people from liking them? are you serious? i'm totally fed up with a minority trying to make excuses as to why the PT is hated so much. If this was supposed to be the reason why the PT is hated so much and why i think they are bad movies then why the hell am i enjoying the clone wars series so much? isn't that aimed at a younger audience? That threw that crappy reason right out the window didn't it? If i hated the PT so much then why would i be willing to sacrifice at least 6 years of my life to work on them?
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They are bad movies that really screwed up the Star Wars universe. Its as if they were made by two completely different people. the guy who made the PT would be one that had never watched the OT which caused him to make so many mistakes that it was embarrassing. then he goes back to the other guys movies and changes those so his fit in better even though they were made many years later. It has nothing to do with "adult egos" as you say. if that's the case then why do so many kids love the OT but think the PT is garbage? If i hated the PT so much as you say then why the hell would i have kept the "episode IV" title in ANH? surely i could have changed that to "Episode I" which would have eliminated the PT totally from Revisited.
The two trilogies just don't mesh together. It has nothing to do with visuals but the style in which the PT was edited, written and directed. In the OT the story and humour can appeal to both kids and adult alike. So why doesn't the PT? because the whole trilogy talks down to the audience. Why is everything explained so much all the time. Does he think the audience won't get it unless its completely spelt out at the expense of the movie? Just look at Ric Olie in TPM. he's almost a narrator. why does he have to explain everything that is going on when we can plainly see that?
"there's the blockade"... duh, yes we can see that
"That's it. Tatooine".. why bother saying that at all? we have been told a few times already that they are heading for Tatooine and now when he says this we have seen the planet. yeh so Luke may have explained that what we see was dagobah but it was part of a conversation with R2 and placed as a reply not an obvious and unneeded statement
Courscant. the entire planet is one big city. There's Chancellor Vallorum's shuttle. and look over there. Senator Palpatine is waiting for us.".... Is this one of those read along books or a movie. The visuals clearly show whats going on. talking down to the audience at the worse level here. Chancellor vallorum is introduced by palpatine so no need for Ric Olie to say who it is.
Its all this type of thing that ruins the movies for many people.
Now the humour is again totally different in the OT and the PT. OK ROTJ became a stepping stone for the low quality of humour we were to see in the PT. All the slapstick is too "in your face" and in many wrong places which ruins what is supposed to be a serious scene. Do we see any poop and fart jokes in the OT? No. Why? because the humour was of a higher calibre aimed at both kids and adults. i can almost see Lucas when he was writing it saying to himself.."lets make that creature fart" or " jar jar can step in a pile of crap. that will get a laugh for sure". Again this has nothing to do with so called "adult egos"
Now the main problem, apart from the acting & directing, is the editing. And this is what i meant by "ripping apart the PT". study the OT and the editing is tight. it never lingers on something longer than it should. now we get to the PT and so many times can you see where a scene or shot shout end but it lingers before the wipe or scene cut. You only have to check out the article about the "lost cut" of ANH to see just how different this movie could be if GL had edited the movie to his vision. You can see it HERE. You can also see GL's style when viewing the whole cantina scene that was from the Lost cut on the Behind the magic CD-ROM. The acting wasn't great in ANH but the editing turned what could have been a disaster into the great movie it became. You actually get a PT feel when you watch the lost cut footage or read the article descriptions of the editing. Can editing alone save these movies? no. but it can go a long way.
Now another thing that takes away the feel of the OT is the accents. In the OT the accents were British and American. Now in the PT we have all forms of accents for the creatures. its was as if they were too lazy to design a different sound for a creature that they went with over the top accents. It was obvious when they switched from studio filming in the UK to Australia and that changed the feel even more so. The Kiwi accent just didn't fit in the movies and that is nothing against that accent at all. You have all the clone troopers, who are supposed to be the link between the PT & the OT in that these were the PT's stormtroopers, speaking without an American accent. And please don't get me started on the abomination that was changing Boba Fetts voice in ESB just to try and fix the mess the PT created. Jango & Boba will have an American accent in the PT revisited, along with all the clone troopers but the troopers won't be all from Jango fett so will sound different, again helping the PT to tie in with the OT without having all the crappy EU stuff attempting to explain all this.this is nothing against other accents though. its all to do with what sounds right and what fits in. if i was just changing it because i have a problem with other accents then surely i would change all the accents to British?
If you don't want to watch my Revisited edits for the PT then no one is forcing you too. i certainly ain't going to lose any sleep if the PT lovers think i'm sabotaging their precious movies. GL has already done that for the rest of us. I got enough flack when i was doing ANH:R and then even more when it was released and still get it to this day. in the immortal words of Catherine Tate " Am i bovvered? Am i bovvered though? I ain't bovvered". Everyone has different tastes and i respect that but don't try to tell me that i'm sabotaging the PT by ripping it apart, even though you clearly knew nothing of what i have planned for those movies, or that i don't like them because of my adult ego when you know nothing about me or my viewing tastes and not expect me to defend these accusations, especially when you couldn't have pickled a worse time when i'm in so much agony i just want to rip something apart. lol
Now can we leave all this talk of the PT until i get round to Episode I please. there are already threads where you can discuss this. This is only for EPISODE V and anything that directly relates to this edit
One thing to remember though when making suggestions... Just because something is in the Pt doesn't mean that it should feature in the Revisited OT because there is a good chance that it will be omitted in the PT:R saga. as i have said before its the PT that should be changed to fit the OT and NOT the other way around
Now back on topic.....
I'm working on editing some of the BTS footage of the making of the wampa for the new clip. problem is that with my tooth gone and my voice changed somewhat with it missing i can't do the voice over i wanted to do so i may just leave out the BTS footage and just show the clip. But i did do some voice over while filming the clips so i may just use that. It will only be a short BTS and the full version including the filming of the new model and set elements will feature in full on the DVD-9 of ESB:R .I've got a bit of tweaking to do on the new wampa footage so it matched the original footage but so far it looks great. I've been able to articulate the mouth more than the original and also the face somewhat. But even though the sneak peak BTS footage may not make it to the final clip, you WILL get to see a brief glimpse of the new wampa. I've got to admit i'm pretty nervous about revealing this but i though it best to reveal it earlier just in case it doesn't work and i'm looking at it with too favourable eyes just because i built it. but anyway you'll see soon. hopefully it will be ready & online by tomorrow night and maybe even earlier
Well said Ady, well said...
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