Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 42

adywan said:

well i have had an idea of what to replace Jedi Rocks with in ROTJ

ROTJ Jedi rocks replacement

As good as that is, I have a better idea for ROTJ: R

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrOSuY12Rrs

I know that a lot of people are very attached to Lapti Nek (the album version) but I think both versions are just as bad as Jedi Rocks.

Examine the scene, it's basically a strip show/exotic dancer performance so rather than disco or funkish R&B it should be more alien Burlesque. (something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAa0filmYbs )

Enter (while we are on the subject) at your own risk (there are tassles not mention love handles) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpuEoj4RZ38

If it weren't for the damn Rancor foreshadowing I'd say cut the whole retarded sequence.  Unfortunately, that's pretty much not possible.

Bingowings said:

I know that a lot of people are very attached to Lapti Nek (the album version) but I think both versions are just as bad as Jedi Rocks.

Examine the scene, it's basically a strip show/exotic dancer performance so rather than disco or funkish R&B it should be more alien Burlesque.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, which I respect.

I, on the other hand,  like both Lapti Nek and Jedi Rocks. I've seen the scene countless times, and my opinion of it hasn't changed.

The cantina band works because it has that house band sound of films from the 30's and 40's but filtered through an alien lens.

The Jabba palace scene is an exotic dance, striptease (without the strip) scene and that's my main objection to either piece of music (the poor puppetry in the OUT and the poor CGI in the SE versions just add to the missmatch).

It should be debaunched and grotesque in a sleazy sort of way and neither piece of music matches the mood the scene is trying to convey.

Bingowings said:

The cantina band works because it has that house band sound of films from the 30's and 40's but filtered through an alien lens.

The Jabba palace scene is an exotic dance, striptease (without the strip) scene and that's my main objection to either piece of music (the poor puppetry in the OUT and the poor CGI in the SE versions just add to the missmatch).

It should be debaunched and grotesque in a sleazy sort of way and neither piece of music matches the mood the scene is trying to convey.

In the Star Wars Universe, different rules can (and sometimes do) apply.

Maybe.  

But Star Wars and the others are movies.  First and foremost.  As movies, they need to work for the audience before anything else.  This applies to alien creatures speaking English, to spaceships making noise in outer space.  If something isn't watchable, using "it is in a different universe" doesn't apply.  It is a movie made for people to watch and enjoy it.  It is not something that just exists and we are watching it in a telescope trying to understand why it works that way in that galaxy far far away.

Sluggo said:

Maybe.  

But Star Wars and the others are movies.  First and foremost.  As movies, they need to work for the audience before anything else.  This applies to alien creatures speaking English, to spaceships making noise in outer space.  If something isn't watchable, using "it is in a different universe" doesn't apply.  It is a movie made for people to watch and enjoy it.  It is not something that just exists and we are watching it in a telescope trying to understand why it works that way in that galaxy far far away.

 

People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions.  It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today.  Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

 

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

Very yes.

Bingowings said:

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

 

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

Very yes.

 

enough said.

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

 

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

Very yes.

 

enough said.

 

(Puts on best Nichelle Nichols voice) "And what's that supposed to mean?"

Bingowings said:

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

 

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

Very yes.

 

enough said.

 

(Put's on best Nichelle Nichols voice) "And what's that supposed to mean?"

 

Sorry.  I don't know who Nichelle Nichols is.

And I do all my RPing on MySpace.

I thought you were suggesting that "Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young".

Bingowings said:

I thought you were suggesting that "Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young".

Nope.  I'm just a typical fan who just enjoys the movies and doesn't like to get swept up in the debates.  I'd rather play with my action figures and plastic lightsabers while I pretend to be Luke, Obi-Wan or Darth Vader.

Now that IS Burlesque Ripplin.

Ripplin said:

G E Predator said:

Sorry.  I don't know who Nichelle Nichols is.

Now you know:

And I do all my RPing on MySpace.

And I dunno what that means. :p (wait, is it role playing?)

 

I don't watch Star Trek.

And yes, RPing means Roleplaying.

I tried to adjust the colour of the first screenshot so the blue between the trees matched up better in all the scenes and turn Leia hair back to brown but when I attempted to load it up here to show it the colour shifted again (Mac colour gamma perhaps?)

Nice to see those reflections on Threepio gone.

AxiaEuxine said :

Love this idea, I dont even care if it works with the rest of the movie... Maybe we should add mini skulls and things hanging off the Gungans belts too.

It does tie in with the rest of the movie already. The Ewoks are shown as being prepared to eat humans and wear and keep bones as tribal objects. Later they are seen to be a force capable of taking on defeating Imperial troops. They just lack motivation and direction to do it on a large scale, their God gives that to them so instead of picking off a few Stormtroopers here and there they can now take on an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops.

All that's changed is the tone. Instead of being funny little tribal teddy bears that eat people, they are a dangerous (all be it short) tribal race that eat people.

As for the Gungans (which are really a subject for the PT thread) adding skulls to them is changing their character (personally I don't think it matches what was intended for that race but it's a change that can be debated).