Vaderisnothayden said:So what. Hardly particularly extreme. Nothing next to some of the outfits that turn up in the prequels.
I am just saying, I'd personally consider wearing a cape to fall into the category of, "silly robes or overdone getup".
My point in this whole thing is, even in our own world, a single planet, is so full of diverse cultures, many of which have some pretty bizarre traditional clothing. So bizarre, that many people from other cultures would be rather quick to point out how stupid, pompous, and absurd these other cultures are. To me it is not beyond the realm of reason that a universe full of many inhabitable planets filled with numerous alien races, would all dress in ski jackets, dull robes/rags, and vests. I like the idea of the galaxy being more diverse before the the Empire took over, and being more drab, bland and culture less after. I think this is a pretty cool concept. Maybe ol' George had his people go a little overboard at times, but for the most part, I think it worked rather well. Whether well executed or not, I really respect what George was trying to do there; at least he tried, which is something that cannot be said for most other aspects of the PT. I have far more respect for a concept that was tried and failed, than the total lack of trying that is evident throughout those three awful films.
Of course, all this is just my opinion. You don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you. We have both overstated our point to quite a degree.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
come on people. its a different universe, different customs, different planets. here on earth, we have a custom to wear certain things when attending events. the cultures around the world have different ways of dressing. the SWU is full of planets with their own cultures.
Johnny Ringo said:If you are going to make the same outlandish claims over and over can you at least back them up? People may agree with you if they actually understand what you referring to.
C3PX said:Vaderisnothayden said:In ESB we met a showy city administrator (Lando) , but he didn't feel the need to dress up in silly robes or way overdone getup
He was wearing a bloody cape for cripes sakes!!!
I almost fell off my chair lolling.
I haven't made a single outlandish claim. There's nothing remotely outlandish about what I've said. All you have to do is watch the films to see what I mean. Furthermore, my claims have been well backed up, such as by reference to Padme's royal outfits and the outfits of the other two Naboo queens and the clothing of the senators gathering to start the rebellion. But I shouldn't need to give examples if people saw the films, because what I'm talking about is very obvious in the films.
The funny thing is that people who don't like Star Wars in general often call the OT "those movies where the guys wear pyjama with boots".
C3PX said:Vaderisnothayden said:So what. Hardly particularly extreme. Nothing next to some of the outfits that turn up in the prequels.
I am just saying, I'd personally consider wearing a cape to fall into the category of, "silly robes or overdone getup".
My point in this whole thing is, even in our own world, a single planet, is so full of diverse cultures, many of which have some pretty bizarre traditional clothing. So bizarre, that many people from other cultures would be rather quick to point out how stupid, pompous, and absurd these other cultures are. To me it is not beyond the realm of reason that a universe full of many inhabitable planets filled with numerous alien races, would all dress in ski jackets, dull robes/rags, and vests. I like the idea of the galaxy being more diverse before the the Empire took over, and being more drab, bland and culture less after. I think this is a pretty cool concept. Maybe ol' George had his people go a little overboard at times, but for the most part, I think it worked rather well. Whether well executed or not, I really respect what George was trying to do there; at least he tried, which is something that cannot be said for most other aspects of the PT. I have far more respect for a concept that was tried and failed, than the total lack of trying that is evident throughout those three awful films.
Of course, all this is just my opinion. You don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you. We have both overstated our point to quite a degree.
That's rationalizing it. The reality is that the prequel films way overdid this sort of costume because the people making them clearly got too into making everything elaborate and opulent. It was not necessary to do that and it adds to the bullshit feel of the films. You can see and feel that they're pushing something artificial, just as you can see and feel they're pushing something artificial when the Mustafar scene hammers you over the head with the message "This is Momentous scene -feel!"
And wearing a cape is minor compared to some overdone robes and a weird hairstyle. It may look silly or overdone but it is definitely rather less so than the extreme luxurious stuff the prequel people wear.
rcb said:come on people. its a different universe, different customs, different planets. here on earth, we have a custom to wear certain things when attending events. the cultures around the world have different ways of dressing. the SWU is full of planets with their own cultures.
Again, this is rationalizing it rather than looking at what's actually going on.
TMBTM said:The funny thing is that people who don't like Star Wars in general often call the OT "those movies where the guys wear pyjama with boots".
The OT clothing is reasonable science fiction clothing. The prequel clothing is pompous and pretentious. And there might be some reason for such clothing in a republic that's declining and decadent, but it's taken too far. To the point where they're clearly showing off "Look at the fancy outfits we designed for these films!"
Star wars is not sci-fi, it is FANTASY. It's always been about cool planets and cool aliens and cool ships, Star Wars is very much about style. And I suppose you real chinese emperors and european nobles looked silly too. I think the OT costumes look silly, why would a princess wear a white sheet and a city administrator wear "dress down day" clothes with a cape? The OT costumes made no sense. The ornateness of the PT costumes re more realistic than the thrown together OT costumes.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/003-The_Imperial_Portrait_of_a_Chinese_Emperor_called_%22Xianfeng%22.JPG
Star wars is not sci-fi, it is FANTASY. It's always been about cool planets and cool aliens and cool ships, Star Wars is very much about style. And I suppose you real chinese emperors and european nobles looked silly too. I think the OT costumes look silly, why would a princess wear a white sheet and a city administrator wear "dress down day" clothes with a cape? The OT costumes made no sense. The ornateness of the PT costumes re more realistic than the thrown together OT costumes.
Star Wars cannot be simply categorized as being only fantasy or only science fiction. It is both.
The OT costumes worked fine. They went so far and no further. The PT costumes go further, much further, as you can see from the ridiculous getup they put the queens of Naboo in. I'm sorry I don't see what's so senseless about the OT costumes. Leia's costume seems pretty reasonable for a princess. I think Lando's is pretty reasonable for a dandified city administrator in a science fantasy film. Neither costume makes the character look like an absolute idiot like the Naboo queens' costumes do. And I have to say I really fail to see how the PT costumes are somehow more "realistic" than the OT ones.
I see a lot of making excuses here for something dumb and pretentious in films most of us dislike. I don't get it.
As for your Chinese emperor, I'm sorry but that's more moderate than what they put poor Padme and the other queens in. Also, dressing monarchs in particular in extreme ways has a lot to do with society's viewing monarchs as superior to the general populace. I would expect an advanced society (Naboo is supposed to be especially enlightened) that ELECTS its monarchs from the general populace to be a bit more advanced in its thinking (such as not viewing monarchs as so superior) and maybe not dress their monarchs in such a worshipful manner. There is no call for Lucas to have his democratic enlightened paradise world's monarchs exceed the excesses of Earth's monarchs of earlier eras. The intention seems to have been similar to the cgi backgrounds -"Let's put on a big showy show to show we can". It was dumb and destructive.
Btw, I hope that people understand that I'm not just talking about clothing. Hairstyles and makeup are very much part of the picture and particularly relevant in the case of the Naboo queens.
Vaderisnothayden said:I see a lot of making excuses here for something dumb and pretentious in films most of us dislike. I don't get it.
And your not gonna get it, so we might as well drop it. We've all said our piece.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Vaderisnothayden said:You're rationalizing it. The reality is that the prequel films way overdid this sort of costume because the people making them clearly got too into making everything elaborate and opulent. It was not necessary to do that and it adds to the bullshit feel of the films.
rcb said:come on people. its a different universe, different customs, different planets. here on earth, we have a custom to wear certain things when attending events. the cultures around the world have different ways of dressing. the SWU is full of planets with their own cultures.
Again, this is rationalizing it rather than looking at what's actually going on.
The OT clothing is reasonable science fiction clothing. The prequel clothing is pompous and pretentious. And there might be some reason for such clothing in a republic that's declining and decadent, but it's taken too far. To the point where they're clearly showing off "Look at the fancy outfits we designed for these films!"
Why are perfectly reasonable explanations for the costumes 'rationalizing?' Is it rationalizing to think that the OT, which is peopled by rebels, farmers, and officers in the fascist navy (and Lando, the administrator of a mining operation too small for the unions to notice) would dress differently than the PT, which is filled with the most important people on the galactic political scene?
I'm also curious as to who the arbiter of 'reasonable science fiction clothing' is? Where's the benchmark? Flash Gordon? Logan's Run? The 5th Element?
If Lando's cape was ok, would it have been ok if it was embroidered? What if he had spats? What if they were dirty spats? Could he wear spats and a hat? When we he look like an idiot? Were the flashing lights on Vader's chest in ESB and ROTJ a step towards idiocy? He had a little chrome nose too. Was that too much?
You told me to go to Wookiepedia. I did. Was it Sio Bibble who looked like an idiot, in his dark blue doublet? Was Mas Amada overdressed for his job as seargent at arms for the Senate of the Entire Galaxy? Was it those tarted up Jedi in their austere robes? Dooku in his black shirt and slacks? Was the Prime Minister of Kamino overdressed? You say they all look like idiots, I'm trying to figure out who you're talking about.
TheBoost said:Vaderisnothayden said:You're rationalizing it. The reality is that the prequel films way overdid this sort of costume because the people making them clearly got too into making everything elaborate and opulent. It was not necessary to do that and it adds to the bullshit feel of the films.
rcb said:come on people. its a different universe, different customs, different planets. here on earth, we have a custom to wear certain things when attending events. the cultures around the world have different ways of dressing. the SWU is full of planets with their own cultures.
Again, this is rationalizing it rather than looking at what's actually going on.
The OT clothing is reasonable science fiction clothing. The prequel clothing is pompous and pretentious. And there might be some reason for such clothing in a republic that's declining and decadent, but it's taken too far. To the point where they're clearly showing off "Look at the fancy outfits we designed for these films!"
Why are perfectly reasonable explanations for the costumes 'rationalizing?' Is it rationalizing to think that the OT, which is peopled by rebels, farmers, and officers in the fascist navy (and Lando, the administrator of a mining operation too small for the unions to notice) would dress differently than the PT, which is filled with the most important people on the galactic political scene?
I'm also curious as to who the arbiter of 'reasonable science fiction clothing' is? Where's the benchmark? Flash Gordon? Logan's Run? The 5th Element?
If Lando's cape was ok, would it have been ok if it was embroidered? What if he had spats? What if they were dirty spats? Could he wear spats and a hat? When we he look like an idiot? Were the flashing lights on Vader's chest in ESB and ROTJ a step towards idiocy? He had a little chrome nose too. Was that too much?
You told me to go to Wookiepedia. I did. Was it Sio Bibble who looked like an idiot, in his dark blue doublet? Was Mas Amada overdressed for his job as seargent at arms for the Senate of the Entire Galaxy? Was it those tarted up Jedi in their austere robes? Dooku in his black shirt and slacks? Was the Prime Minister of Kamino overdressed? You say they all look like idiots, I'm trying to figure out who you're talking about.
Why are perfectly reasonable explanations for the costumes 'rationalizing?' Is it rationalizing to think that the OT, which is peopled by rebels, farmers, and officers in the fascist navy (and Lando, the administrator of a mining operation too small for the unions to notice) would dress differently than the PT, which is filled with the most important people on the galactic political scene?
They're only perfectly reasonable explanations if you're trying to make excuses for the PT's costumes. Otherwise it's pretty easy to see how the outfits are overdone. Yes it's rationalizing. Classic rationalization, because it sounds like it makes sense until you look at it close up and then you can see it doesn't work, when you take in the whole the whole reality of what we're talking about.
And just because people are important doesn't mean they're going to be dressed up especially elaborately. Look at the important people of our day -are they all dressed in outfits vastly more elaborate than the common person? No they are not, so it is not necessary to dress the top people so much differently from people less important. Dressing the important people in a way that so loudly announces their higher status is something that goes with a very unegalitarian society. It doesn't fit a democratic republic. There might be more reason for it in a decadent declining corrupt democratic republic, but only so far. Lando's outfit is quite fancy enough. Characters don't need to be dressed vastly more elaborately than that. And one conspicuous PT senator WAS dressed in that style -Bail Organa. That should have been the standard. You might throw in a few people more elaborate in their outfit, but not to the extent of prequels, which overdo it but good.
And why do you keep asking me who I'm talking about as if I've given you no examples when I've already pointed out (as classic examples) the queens of Naboo and the senators trying to found the rebellion in the dvd deleted-but-canon ROTS scenes?
I'm also curious as to who the arbiter of 'reasonable science fiction clothing' is? Where's the benchmark? Flash Gordon? Logan's Run? The 5th Element?
Different types of science fiction clothing are going to be reasonable for different types of science fiction. You seem to be trying to obscure the issue by bringing up examples of science fiction that is exceptional in its clothing. But there is plenty science fiction that goes by a more moderate standard and Star Wars fitted in with that back in the OT days. The OT's clothing was reasonable for what the OT was supposed to be. The PT's clothing is not reasonable and is a clear case of overdoing it.
If Lando's cape was ok, would it have been ok if it was embroidered? What if he had spats? What if they were dirty spats? Could he wear spats and a hat? When we he look like an idiot?
Well you'd have to show me the costume before I'd know. A costume can be described vaguely in words but you don't really know how it's going to work out until you see it, unless it's something especially extreme. But at a certain point, a costume will cross the line and become too much, or too much if there's many costumes like it.
Were the flashing lights on Vader's chest in ESB and ROTJ a step towards idiocy? He had a little chrome nose too. Was that too much?
And now you're just being spitefully sarcastic. You know full well that there was nothing wrong with Vader's cyborg elements.
You told me to go to Wookiepedia. I did. Was it Sio Bibble who looked like an idiot, in his dark blue doublet? Was Mas Amada overdressed for his job as seargent at arms for the Senate of the Entire Galaxy? Was it those tarted up Jedi in their austere robes? Dooku in his black shirt and slacks? Was the Prime Minister of Kamino overdressed? You say they all look like idiots, I'm trying to figure out who you're talking about.
Why do you act like I haven't given examples when I already have? Another poster on this thread did that too, just after I gave the examples.
Some outfits cross the line by themselves and some others wouldn't be a problem if there weren't so much of that kind of thing along with stuff that was worse. The prequels got this idea of doing overdone outfits and flogged it to death.
C3PX said:Vaderisnothayden said:I see a lot of making excuses here for something dumb and pretentious in films most of us dislike. I don't get it.
And your not gonna get it, so we might as well drop it. We've all said our piece.
Similarly, it seems like you guys totally aren't getting what I'm talking about. I see no sign of you understanding what I'm saying. But it bewilders me to see people lining up to defend a stupid element in films they claim to dislike. Like the poster who started this thread, I quite reasonably felt the stuff was over the top. But as you've said, this is not getting anywhere, so I think I'm done discussing this. Sorry if I pissed anybody off. I've just been trying to communicate.
Sluggo said:How long do you think it would take someone to actually style their hair that way?
No wonder the trade federation chose to invade Naboo. By the time Amidala got ready for the camera to protest, the invasion would be over.
lol!
So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go work on my Queen Amidala costume - Still working on making the hair look really silly ;)
Star Wars Episode XXX: Erica Strikes Back
If you want Nice, go to France
Davnes007 said:So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.
How desperately constructive.
Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.
How desperately constructive.
It's far more constructive than going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes.
Star Wars Episode XXX: Erica Strikes Back
If you want Nice, go to France
Personally I love Padme's wardrobe/hairstyles in the Star Wars movies, absolutley gorgeous.
My two cents...
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain.
"A myth is a religion in which no one any longer believes"...James Feibleman (1904-1987)
www . axia . ws/axia
Davnes007 said:Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.
How desperately constructive.
It's far more constructive than going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes.
No it's not. Not at all. I was sincerely discussing. You were just being spiteful. And calling my point "going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes" shows you didn't read it properly. I couldn't care less whether it makes sense for people of other cultures/planets to wear clothing like that. What I care about is that such clothing is there in the PT for pretentious reasons and that it makes these supposed Star Wars films all the sillier and that it's a manifestation of the overall mentality problem that's behind the prequels being so bad.
This is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend...
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.
How desperately constructive.
It's far more constructive than going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes.
No it's not. Not at all. I was sincerely discussing. You were just being spiteful. And calling my point "going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes" shows you didn't read it properly. I couldn't care less whether it makes sense for people of other cultures/planets to wear clothing like that. What I care about is that such clothing is there in the PT for pretentious reasons and that it makes these supposed Star Wars films all the sillier and that it's a manifestation of the overall mentality problem that's behind the prequels being so bad.
It's amazing how you're trying to disprove my point ... by proving my point - You're STILL going on and on about the clothes!
Star Wars Episode XXX: Erica Strikes Back
If you want Nice, go to France
C3PX said:This is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend...
how long can this keep going?
If you ask me, they all just should have been naked. In all the movies. Even in space. Yep. Naked. Even Vader. Maybe he'd wear the mask, but that's it. Peter Cushing couldn't have complained about the boots he had to wear, because he wouldn't have been wearing anything. Yep. Naked Tarkin. And naked Lando. Naked Sio Bibble. Naked Jar Jar. Naked Palpatine. And Chewbacca should have been shaved... shaved naked. Same goes for the ewoks and the stormtroopers, because if the stormtroopers are naked, then no one can complain that the ewoks can't hit them with rocks. And if the ewoks are naked, then there's little naked people running around. Whee for little naked people! And finally, Yoda should be naked because I'm sure every one of us has wondered at one point what he's packing down there... or wherever he's packing.
There. Argument solved. No clothing, pretentious or plain. Just good old fashioned nudity.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
rcb said:C3PX said:This is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because...
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend...
how long can this keep going?
... on forever just because,
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend,
haha Gaffer, that was a good one,
but I think nudity is rather pretentious,
and I'd really rather not see what is under Palps robes,
honestly, Carrie Fisher is like the only woman in the whole series,
so it would be one huge sausage extravaganza!
And here people were complaining about a little innocent blue dong in Watchmen,
some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was,
and they'll go on forever just because,
this is the thread that doesn't end,
yes it goes on and on my friend...
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Davnes007 said:Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.
How desperately constructive.
It's far more constructive than going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes.
No it's not. Not at all. I was sincerely discussing. You were just being spiteful. And calling my point "going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes" shows you didn't read it properly. I couldn't care less whether it makes sense for people of other cultures/planets to wear clothing like that. What I care about is that such clothing is there in the PT for pretentious reasons and that it makes these supposed Star Wars films all the sillier and that it's a manifestation of the overall mentality problem that's behind the prequels being so bad.
It's amazing how you're trying to disprove my point ... by proving my point - You're STILL going on and on about the clothes!
I was merely correcting your mistaken view of what I was saying. That proves no point of yours -it doesn't make what I was saying unconstructive and it doesn't make what I was saying into something about whether people from another planet can wear elaborate clothes. Nor does it make sense for you to complain about me clarifying my view when it was you who provoked that by misrepresenting what I was saying.
And for anybody who thinks this thread is endless, they should look at the page count -two pages. This discussion has not gone on long and neither it nor the thread have proven to be endless. So many discussions on this board go on so much longer. And if people are going to come on here to misrepresent my opinion like that Davnes guy did then it's only reasonable for me to clarify my position. If somebody takes pot shots at me, do you really expect me not to respond? So yes, this thread will keep going as long as anybody continues to give me trouble for daring to disagree with a few people. It should not be considered a crime to stand by your opinion, not even when a few people think you're wrong.
The opening poster thought Padme's hairstyles were overdone, a perfectly natural opinion, and here I thought it wasn't a crime to agree with that view.
Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:Vaderisnothayden said:Davnes007 said:So, let's see what we've learned: Vaderisnothayden hates the PT, and...and, ummm...yeah, that's about it. This whole clothes 'debate' is getting really old. Please, Vaderisnothayden, find something else to complain about.
How desperately constructive.
It's far more constructive than going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes.
No it's not. Not at all. I was sincerely discussing. You were just being spiteful. And calling my point "going on and on about how you think people of other cultures/planets can't wear different and/or elaborate clothes" shows you didn't read it properly. I couldn't care less whether it makes sense for people of other cultures/planets to wear clothing like that. What I care about is that such clothing is there in the PT for pretentious reasons and that it makes these supposed Star Wars films all the sillier and that it's a manifestation of the overall mentality problem that's behind the prequels being so bad.
It's amazing how you're trying to disprove my point ... by proving my point - You're STILL going on and on about the clothes!
I was merely correcting your mistaken view of what I was saying. That proves no point of yours -it doesn't make what I was saying unconstructive and it doesn't make what I was saying into something about whether people from another planet can wear elaborate clothes. Nor does it make sense for you to complain about me clarifying my view when it was you who provoked that by misrepresenting what I was saying.
And for anybody who thinks this thread is endless, they should look at the page count -two pages. This discussion has not gone on long and neither it nor the thread have proven to be endless. So many discussions on this board go on so much longer. And if people are going to come on here to misrepresent my opinion like that Davnes guy did then it's only reasonable for me to clarify my position. If somebody takes pot shots at me, do you really expect me not to respond? So yes, this thread will keep going as long as anybody continues to give me trouble for daring to disagree with a few people. It should not be considered a crime to stand by your opinion, not even when a few people think you're wrong.
The opening poster thought Padme's hairstyles were overdone, a perfectly natural opinion, and here I thought it wasn't a crime to agree with that view.
You can agree with StormtroopersAreBetter all you want. I don't have any problem with that.
MY issue is that you've essentially been repeating yourself in EVERY post you've made in this thread. Every time someone disagrees with YOU, you give them "trouble" for daring to disagree with YOU.
Star Wars Episode XXX: Erica Strikes Back
If you want Nice, go to France
Davnes007 said:MY issue is that you've essentially been repeating yourself in EVERY post you've made in this thread.
No I haven't. I was sometimes forced to repeat some points because people kept repeating the same sort of arguments against them, but I introduced new stuff as well.
Every time someone disagrees with YOU, you give them "trouble" for daring to disagree with YOU.
Factually untrue. I debated quite reasonably and reacted in a perfectly reasonable way to the sort of treatment I got.
.................yawn................
I, for one, am bored with repeating myself, so I'll allow you delude yourself into thinking you're being "perfectly reasonable". I'll let someone else disagree with your opinion so you can tell them you think they're 'wrong'.
I may chime in again...when you have something DIFFERENT to say.
LONG LIVE ELABORATE CLOTHES - ALL HAIL QUEEN AMIDALA !!!!!!
Star Wars Episode XXX: Erica Strikes Back
If you want Nice, go to France
