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I just want to give a plug to the LOST forums I goto. http://www.lost.com/

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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Anyone else wish they would've been able to inspect that statue a little more closely before Locke turned that wheel?

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ChainsawAsh said:

Anyone else wish they would've been able to inspect that statue a little more closely before Locke turned that wheel?

 

Haha, oh, yes. When they showed it, I wasn't able to contain myself from shouting "YES!", but then, of course, came the flash . . .

Take care,
Sojourn

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At least we know they haven't forgotten about it now.

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With how they are rushing through things now, I wouldn't be surprised is that is the last we see of the statue. I imagine that they will explain verbally that "the others" are descendants of an ancient race who has been on the island for a very long time, and the statue was their handiwork. 

I wonder how many toes Ricardo Alpert has?

 

This out of order story telling method gets confusing. I wonder where Ben is at this time (LeFleur's "three years later" time). It is 1975, and since Ben was born sometime in the early nineteen sixties, he would be a teenager by this time. So I wonder if he is on the island yet, or if he is yet to arrive.

Another thing that is kind of weird, Richard always looks the same, no matter what time period he pops up in, same kind of clothing, same hair cut. However, when he meets Ben for the first time, he has kind of a shaggy hair thing going on, and is wearing tattered season-two-others style clothing.

I figured this was because the "hostiles" desguised themselves as primitives when appearing before the DHAMRA initiative much like they did to the castaways. However, in the last episode Richard had no problem showing up clean cut and nicely dressed in the barracks for all to see in the last episode.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Nobody around here really seems to care too much about this show, but since this is an SW forum, I thought it worth mentioning that episode thirteen of this season is called, "Some Like it Hoth" lol.

You know, I cannot imagine watching Lost and not being a SW nerd, you'd miss soooo many references.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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C3PX said:

Nobody around here really seems to care too much about this show, but since this is an SW forum, I thought it worth mentioning that episode thirteen of this season is called, "Some Like it Hoth" lol.

You know, I cannot imagine watching Lost and not being a SW nerd, you'd miss soooo many references.

 

I LOVE this show, and spend alot of time over at http://www.lost.com/

 

Do you think we will find out why the Donkey Wheel is frozen in this episode?

 

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I still love this show...Probably my fave on tv at the moment!!

 

Being bored at work on Mondays we usually listen to a few Lost pod casts, which really does help fill in those missing blanks.

 

 

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Anyone find it interesting that part of the show currently takes place in 1977 ... the year 'Star Wars' was released?  I just thought it was kinda funny.

And I wonder if Hoth will be referenced in the "Some Like it Hoth" episode - it'd have to be a character that's from the post-1977 timeline (maybe someone in 1977 that's from 2007 references Hoth and everyone else is confused).

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C3PX said:

Nobody around here really seems to care too much about this show

Not only do I love the show, but I'm loving it more and more all the time. As I said, this season has been fantastic!

That's awesome, about the "Hoth" title; the creators of the show are big self-proclaimed SW fans, so it's neat that they're working it in like that (there have been a bunch of other SW references throughout the series -- one of my favorites was when Sawyer referred to Jin and Michael (during the building of the raft) as Han and Chewie).

Take care,
Sojourn

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I wonder how many toes Ricardo Alpert has?

I'm guessing you were joking about this, C3PX, but just in case -- the writers already confirmed that the statue is not of Richard Alpert. ;-)

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Sojourn said:

That's awesome, about the "Hoth" title; the creators of the show are big self-proclaimed SW fans, so it's neat that they're working it in like that (there have been a bunch of other SW references throughout the series -- one of my favorites was when Sawyer referred to Jin and Michael (during the building of the raft) as Han and Chewie).

At first I thought it was a typo in the listing I read and that someone accidentally put a h on the end of hot. Even if Hoth doesn't get an actually reference in the episode (I have a feeling it will, and that it will come from the mouth of Sawyer. Just a hunch I have.) but if not, we will at least very likely be getting some new info on the arctic station/outpost at the end of season two and the frozen donkey wheel.

It was pretty cool when they recreated the "No, no, NO. This one goes THERE, that one goes THERE." bit from ESB word for word with Jin and Michael building the raft.

 

This season has been great, show just gets better all the time. Feels weird to hear Jin speaking English now, he is like a whole new character.

Oh yeah, I was very much joking about the Alpert statue thing, and I actually didn't mean to suggest that it might be a statue of Alpert, but rather a product of his race of ancient four toed people ;)

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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C3PX said:

Oh yeah, I was very much joking about the Alpert statue thing, and I actually didn't mean to suggest that it might be a statue of Alpert, but rather a product of his race of ancient four toed people ;)

 

It all makes sense now!!!! ;-)

Take care,
Sojourn

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That last episode was awesomness! I called the ending the minute Sayid said he now knew why he returned to the island, it is exactly the way I would have written it myself (if I were privillaged enough to write for such a show).

This season has been great. The closest thing to a perfect run they have had so far. If they can just keep it up for the last few episodes...

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C3PX said:

That last episode was awesomness! I called the ending the minute Sayid said he now knew why he returned to the island, it is exactly the way I would have written it myself (if I were privillaged enough to write for such a show).

This season has been great. The closest thing to a perfect run they have had so far. If they can just keep it up for the last few episodes...

 

I have no doubt that they will -- no reason why they wouldn't. Just goes to show what can be accomplished when writers have a fully thought out vision, and are given the time to execute it (they just finished writing the finale a week ago, and it's not going to be aired for another six weeks or so).

I didn't see the ending coming, though in retrospect, it makes sense, given how the flashbacks showed just how much more reason Sayid has to hate Ben. I didn't expect him to do it, though, if just because of Faraday's rule of not being able to change the past. It looks like the writers just changed everything, again -- just as the season 3 finale ("Through the Looking Glass") fundamentally changed the paradigm for the show, this episode redefines what is and is not possible within the show's storyline. As this blog post put it:

Zap2It said:

Ben sees their chance to escape, but Sayid’s plans are not about escape: he’s there to kill Ben. “You were right about me…I am a killer.” Oh well, since it didn’t happen, it can’t happen, so naturally the gun misfires and…wait. Holy sh$t. Sayid just killed Ben. Repeat: Sayid just killed Ben. That sound you heard were millions of jaws dropping.

There are a lot places one can go with what happened, but I think the article puts it well:

Zap2It said:

First up: we can finally put to rest any notion that we can use the words of Daniel Faraday as a Bible upon which we can swear. Sayid’s bullet is where theory met practice and ripped it to shreds as it passed through its heart. Once upon a time, Ben was a very patient boy that on one birthday killed his father while enabling/executing the Purge, but for some reason, that bit of history is gone, at least from the timeline in which Sayid and company now find themselves.

The biggest question? How can Ben have died in 1977 yet still be around in the present day? Don’t know, and it’s not that I don’t care so much as I’m willing to let the show try and explain that little factoid. What’s important is this: the suggestion in last week’s episode that the Island upon which Lapidus crash-lands Ajira 316 has a different history from 1977-2008 than it did before Ben Linus turned the donkey wheel.

It's an interesting read; I discovered this site a few months ago, and have enjoyed reading the episode reviews each week to supplement my own musings on the show. Not like my friends and I haven't had enough to discuss after this last episode . . .

Take care,
Sojourn

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Do you have a link to that article?  I'm intrigued by the quotes ...

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ChainsawAsh said:

Do you have a link to that article?  I'm intrigued by the quotes ...

 

The article cited above is here, and the list of all episode recaps is here.

Enjoy,
Sojourn

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Hmm, interesting quotes. But I am pretty sure the guy is dead wrong. If I am right with my own theories of the show, then Faraday and Mrs. Hawking are not 100% wrong in his "if it didn't happen, it can't happen".

I think the writers meant it when they said Mrs. Hawkings rules of time travel are the rule they themselves will follow, and I am pretty sure they are still following that rule too (with the exception of Desmond's memory of Daniel popping into existence). They cited Heroes as an example of what a confusing mess things can become when time travelers are allowed to muck with everything, and they wanted to avoid this sort of thing themselves.

Daniel explained himself right before taking a deep breath and knocking on the door to the Swan that Desmond seemed to be different suggesting that the rule did not apply to him. Desmond has something special about him, and I might even go as far as to say that Widmore may have intentionally deployed Des on the island so that he could change the rules (if you remember last season, Ben was quite pissed at this changing of the rules). Keep in mind, no Desmond on the island, no Penny searching for it and finding it, and no Charlie opening up communications and allowing the freighter to find the island, which ultimately would mean no Keamy coming to the island and blowing a hole in Ben's adopted daughter.

I am willing to bet little Ben has not taken his last breath, and that a certain spinal surgeon is about to out himself as the workman he is not. And I am even more willing to bet that Benjamin Linus will grow up remembering the man who shot him, and the man who killed him. He has been pretty harsh on Sayid, because he tried to kill him, and he has always really liked Jack, and had confidence Jack could remove his tumor and knew he wouldn't let him die, because he didn't let him die when he was a kid. 

Crazy? Absolutely, and that is why we love it so much.

 

 

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Anyone who has not seen last night's (Apr. 1st's) episode, "Whatever Happened, Happened", there are spoilers for that episode below.

Aright, so I was off a little bit, but I was right about Ben living and but it looks like I am wrong about Ben remembering everything. And I was way off about Jack helping him though.

If he remembered everything, then his obsession with Juliet (who is the one who wouldn't give up and let him die), and his harshness in using Sayid as his hitman. But from what Richard said, he will not remember any of the events surrounding his injury (cop out way of avoiding the issue). Kind of funny that it turns out Sayid's shooting Ben is what turns him into the monster he becomes.

A lot like that episode of The Outer Limits, where the girl goes back in time and kills Hitler as a baby, only for the woman in charge of taking care of baby Hitler to go buy a gypsy woman's baby from her in order to keep Hitler's parents from discovering that their son was kidnapped and murdered, which ultimately results in the historical Hitler we know.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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C3PX said:

Anyone who has not seen last night's (Apr. 1st's) episode, "Whatever Happened, Happened", there are spoilers for that episode below.

Aright, so I was off a little bit, but I was right about Ben living and but it looks like I am wrong about Ben remembering everything. And I was way off about Jack helping him though.

If he remembered everything, then his obsession with Juliet (who is the one who wouldn't give up and let him die), and his harshness in using Sayid as his hitman. But from what Richard said, he will not remember any of the events surrounding his injury (cop out way of avoiding the issue). Kind of funny that it turns out Sayid's shooting Ben is what turns him into the monster he becomes.

A lot like that episode of The Outer Limits, where the girl goes back in time and kills Hitler as a baby, only for the woman in charge of taking care of baby Hitler to go buy a gypsy woman's baby from her in order to keep Hitler's parents from discovering that their son was kidnapped and murdered, which ultimately results in the historical Hitler we know.

Exactly what I thought.  Of course, the only alternatives were to let Ben die (which would negate all of the time travel rules they've been telling us about) or to have Ben remember everything and have recognized everyone the entire time they were on the Island (which retcons everything that has ever happened since we met "Henry Gale").  Either one would have upset me to no end.  However, a throwaway line by Richard does not satisify me.  The Island/Others having the power to alter memory would have been a useful feature before (in the future), and I would like to get more of an explanation than "it just does, ok?"

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It didn't feel like a cop-out to me.

I think Richard is the only one who can help him because he's the only one who knows how to do whatever the hell it is he does.  This would help explain why Richard never ages, as well - maybe he uses part of himself to heal Ben somehow?  I have a feeling it will be explained in greater detail soon.

And I don't think the Others have the ability to alter memory, I think it's just a side effect of what Richard does.

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"John Locke and the Temple of Doom"

 

 

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Last night's episode (titled "Some Like It Hoth") was strangly on topic for these boards.  Hurley in 1977 trying to write Empire Strikes Back from memory, making it a little better, and avoiding Return of the Jedi especially the Ewoks?  Awesome.

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doubleofive said:

Last night's episode (titled "Some Like It Hoth") was strangly on topic for these boards.  Hurley in 1977 trying to write Empire Strikes Back from memory, making it a little better, and avoiding Return of the Jedi especially the Ewoks?  Awesome.

... holy shit.  Why did I not watch that last night?

Off to ABC's website to watch it in HD ......

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ChainsawAsh said:
doubleofive said:

Last night's episode (titled "Some Like It Hoth") was strangly on topic for these boards.  Hurley in 1977 trying to write Empire Strikes Back from memory, making it a little better, and avoiding Return of the Jedi especially the Ewoks?  Awesome.

... holy shit.  Why did I not watch that last night?

Off to ABC's website to watch it in HD ......

I watch my episodes Thursday morning so I can do my Facebook recaps, but I almost didn't for this episode.  Miles-centered?  Come on.  The title was the only thing that inspired me to watch it instead of tossing the recap to someone else.  I'm glad I did.  Its only a couple scenes, but part of it is ACTUALLY THE MORAL OF THE EPISODE.  I'll let you watch it yourself.

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