jones1899 said:Heks,
My edit is in SD.
I'm going back through my edit again now, but I'll check the DVD extras for those lines if no one volunteers before then... :)
Here you go:
http://fileload.us/09n7asfxbcf9
Includes "Part time!" and "Not as easy as it used to be." from the trailer and "Part time!" and "I never should've doubted you, my friend." from the extras.
Laserschwert said:jones1899 said:Heks,
My edit is in SD.
I'm going back through my edit again now, but I'll check the DVD extras for those lines if no one volunteers before then... :)
Here you go:
http://fileload.us/09n7asfxbcf9
Includes "Part time!" and "Not as easy as it used to be." from the trailer and "Part time!" and "I never should've doubted you, my friend." from the extras.
Wow, I can hardly believe that the alternate "I never should've doubted you, my friend" doesn't sound that bad. The line reading in the actual film is bloody awful.
Ryan
Ok I downloaded the file, unrared it, but only see the part time line. Heks, did you get all three lines?
Laser, I really appreciate this. Seriously.
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Very illuminating hearing those sound extracts again - they really are much better delivered than the lines that made the final cut. It would be fantastic if they featured in an Indy 4 fan edit.
Not long back there was talk of designing DVD menus. I was always hoping that when the KOTCS DVD first came out, it would feature a consistent design with the original Indy box set which was first released, instead of going for a whole new menu and cover look. I was able to find on Google Images and Youtube exactly what I'm meaning - I can't take credit for either, as much as I'd like to!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG56_1cKO00 = Indy 4 DVD Menu in same vein as original DVD release.
I'm thinking that if someone was up to producing something of this kind (and indeed, it seems some people already have!), it'd really help tie this film to the others in terms of its physical appearance, and make it look a whole lot nicer when sitting beside the original trilogy (which is also what the main goal of the fan edits is as well; making the film more consistent in quality with the originals!). Of course, hopefully with a better film title in place! Personally, I'm still holding out for City of Gods!
Oh, and I've thought before - would it be at all possible to cut the CG alien out entirely at the film's conclusion? Including the skeletons merging? So that we only see the skeletons bearing down on Spalko? That way, bad CGI would be removed, and the UFO at the end would be the main pay off, and not seem like overkill (CG set-piece on top of a CG-set piece)? The film may build more effectively towards its finale in this way. Besides, we've already seen a better-looking alien in Spalko's tent, so it could be best to have the UFO as the next big reveal. Or would this not work out?
I was working on this a while ago. I could donate it to the project.
Topdawg nice idea regarding the menus and DVD art. Anything that ties this one back to the others is welcome as far as I'm concerned. Any suggestions on how we should proceed with the menus? Ccan we contact the guy who made the one you posted? I wll be putting the new line readings into the edit immediately. Can't wait actually. Although I still only have the part time line. The rest weren't in the rar file.
Sluggo, you dvd cover looks great man. Thanks!
As for the aliens... I worked and worked on the climax to take them out and as far as my limited experience can tell there's no way to do it short of digitally removing them. Here's the problem. The damn alien shares the screen with Spalko most of the time. In fact, the first time we see her eyes start to burn the alien is there. When we see her start to turn to mist the alien is there. So to ease the transition into her eyes burning I had to add something that was the topper to the aliens merging that seems like it causes her eyes to burn, which turned out to be the alien right when it forms. It is surrounded by bright light and only seen from the chest up so its not quite so offensive. Then we see Spalko's eyes burning.
Another big problem with the climax is that Indy does NOTHING. The last thing Indy does (besides deciding to run and failing to save Mac) is open the door with the skull. Sure in Raiders he didn't contribute to the climax either, but at least he new to shut his eyes - not to mention the badass nature of the ark opening and everything else in the context of the scene made it work. TOD he defeats Mola Ram, LC he picks the right cup. KOTCS is just a really week climax.
I would LOVE some suggestions on the climax. Let me know.
After I put the new line readings in I can render out the edit as avi and show it to a few of yall to get feedback.
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jones1899 said:Topdawg nice idea regarding the menus and DVD art. Anything that ties this one back to the others is welcome as far as I'm concerned. Any suggestions on how we should proceed with the menus? Ccan we contact the guy who made the one you posted? I wll be putting the new line readings into the edit immediately. Can't wait actually. Although I still only have the part time line. The rest weren't in the rar file.
Sluggo, you dvd cover looks great man. Thanks!
As for the aliens... I worked and worked on the climax to take them out and as far as my limited experience can tell there's no way to do it short of digitally removing them. Here's the problem. The damn alien shares the screen with Spalko most of the time. In fact, the first time we see her eyes start to burn the alien is there. When we see her start to turn to mist the alien is there. So to ease the transition into her eyes burning I had to add something that was the topper to the aliens merging that seems like it causes her eyes to burn, which turned out to be the alien right when it forms. It is surrounded by bright light and only seen from the chest up so its not quite so offensive. Then we see Spalko's eyes burning.
Another big problem with the climax is that Indy does NOTHING. The last thing Indy does (besides deciding to run and failing to save Mac) is open the door with the skull. Sure in Raiders he didn't contribute to the climax either, but at least he new to shut his eyes - not to mention the badass nature of the ark opening and everything else in the context of the scene made it work. TOD he defeats Mola Ram, LC he picks the right cup. KOTCS is just a really week climax.
I would LOVE some suggestions on the climax. Let me know.
After I put the new line readings in I can render out the edit as avi and show it to a few of yall to get feedback.
I'd love to be in your test group.
At this point I don't really have any idea how to solve the fact the Indy does nothing during the climax. It's a major weakness in the film.
By the way, I had all three audio files in that rar archive.
Ryan
Yeah, I don't think there's a way to involve Indy in the climax. I was more looking for idea on the aliens and Spalko's death in the climax.
That's weird about the audio files. HOw large was the download for you?
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Nice DVD cover Sluggo! The film poster lends itself nicely to that classic Indy DVD look!
Yeah jones1899, the other two files were in the RAR archive that I downloaded as well. Hmm, hope you get them in the end, and I'll be looking forward to that .avi!
Ok. I got the three audio files. For some reason using Winace Archive would only get me 1 of 3 files. Had to download winrar. Anyway, they sound great. Can't wait to put them in.
Any ideas for the climax guys? It works OK as I have it, but I'm up for suggestions.
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I've been racking my brains for a good climax, but man. I got nothin'.
The problem is the whole damn point of the movie is returning the skull to the temple and there is no payoff for it. At least not one that works for me. If it was the only way Jones could save Ox or Marion or whatever, then maybe it would have some impact.
It would be great if Spalko was actually trying to get all 12 skulls for her use to rule the world through their brain control instead for her "I vant to know" quest for knowledge. She puts the last skull in place and together the mind control power of all 12 skulls melt her brain and she dies like General Grevious. Meanwhile Mack is stealing treasure, it sets off a booby-trap (It's a trap!) and the walls come a-tumblin' down. Everybody run for your lives!
Sluggo,
You're right. I've taken a lot of crap OUT of the movie, but when it comes to adding things I think we're screwed (short of re-editing scenes to add more Indy involvement).
We just have to find THE BEST way to cut the ending together for the most impact. I did what I could and ilke I said it works well, but there could defintely be a better way.
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Not to take away from the stirling work of the other girls and guys, but Laser, out of curiosity are you still working on a cut?
Right now unfortunately I'm working like a horse, so no time.
Ok. So. I put in the part time line (of course now I dislike the way Mutt stutters with "teacher" and prefer that line from the trailer as well) and the not as easy as it used to be line.
The never should have doubted you my friend line is not working as well. The clip has music in it which of course sticks out like a sore thumb. Any ideas?
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jones1899 said:Ok. So. I put in the part time line (of course now I dislike the way Mutt stutters with "teacher" and prefer that line from the trailer as well) and the not as easy as it used to be line.
The never should have doubted you my friend line is not working as well. The clip has music in it which of course sticks out like a sore thumb. Any ideas?
I say just cut off "my friend" and see if the music track playing is on the KOTCS soundtrack.
Ryan
The track is not on the CD. Since there doesn't seem to be a good way to insert the line, I say either keep the original or try to edit as HekS suggested.
I tried cutting the "my friend" from the line, but Indy doesn't pause a bit between "Doubted You" and "my friend" so the "you" cuts off in an odd manner.
MIGHT just have to leave this one alone unless someone else has any ideas...
BTW, I tried putting the gunshot into the cemetery (which I REALLY want) but Marion's video is different from mine. Any ideas on this?
Also, I'm going to export my edit out as an avi tonight and will hopefully post a pre-release soon after.
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jones1899 said:I tried cutting the "my friend" from the line, but Indy doesn't pause a bit between "Doubted You" and "my friend" so the "you" cuts off in an odd manner.
MIGHT just have to leave this one alone unless someone else has any ideas...
BTW, I tried putting the gunshot into the cemetery (which I REALLY want) but Marion's video is different from mine. Any ideas on this?
Also, I'm going to export my edit out as an avi tonight and will hopefully post a pre-release soon after.
Hey Jones,
Have you tried doing a very quick audio fade out on the "you". If the fade starts when he starts to say "you" and fades to almost nothing by the end of saying "you" then it will probably sound like a more natural end to the statement.
OK. I'll try that when I get home.
I've gotten errors the last two times I tried to export as avi in Premiere. Not sure whats going on there. I must be doing something wrong though - it said it was going to take 53 hours!
Can someone tell me the exact settings for video and audio for exporting out in avi for a pre-release preview. This is not for full dvd quality, just something to preview.
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Sounds like the edit is coming together nicely.
Is anyone going to change up the color for the film, make it more like the original films?
And it doesn't have to be changed, but is there any way to put in an authentic Wilhelm scream? The kid in the library was the worst choice for it, and it came out sounding weak. Can we either give him a better Wilhelm scream, or give it to the Russians in the shot where they get bumped off the jeep in the jungle?
Yes. I'm doing a color correction as part of my edit. I fooled with the tone and reduced the green midtones and the new look is GREAT imho. Very much more in line with the OT.
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Well, I was finally able to export my edit to avi and I ahve to say it was a bit disheartening.
First of all, I'm getting a bad echo effect in some of the scenes. The lip syncing is off. The color correction which looked so good in Premiere now looks washed out and dull. Scenes that I thought were working well now don't (climax for example).
Most of all, I just got this crappy feeling that fixing this movie - TRULY fixing it - would require the talents of someone more experienced and someone with digital effects know how.
Now, I'm not saying I'm giving up, though it was less than motivating. So here are a few questions to try and get this edit back on track (if it was ever on track)
1.) The avi was grainy as hell. Real pixelated. Is this going to look a lot better when I actually create the final dvd?
2.) What's with the echo? Are some audio files not lined up properly? Or is this a conversion issue.
3.) Also, speaking of audio, is it common for the lip syncing getting knocke dout of whack with conversion to avi?
4.) The color correction. Again, is this a result of the conversion? Will it look more like it does in Premiere once I export the final dvd file?
5.) Now the movie itself. Despite all of the unexpected results, I will say that certain scenes do work better and make for a somewhat better movie. My question and concern is does it make for a GOOD movie? I'm afraid it will take the expertise and experience of a professional editor and digital effects aritst to REALLY TRULY make a difference here. The climax is a perfect example. The aliens must go for the most part, but loosing the aliens also forces you to loose the build up to Spalko's death to give the scene the weight that it needs. As i have it, one second she's fine and in awe and them boom her eyes are burning. THe scene that builds the eyes burning has to be cut because of the big dumb looking alien. This sort of issue came up a lot during my edit, but a scene like this stands out being that its the climax.
I understand that even the best editor out there still can't always create a masterpiece from crap. But I wonder if I overshot some, considering my complete lack of experience. Perhaps I should just take out the one or two scenes that REALLY bother me and not try to mess with the one's that I lack the needed experience to fix PROPERLY. Maybe that plus the color correction will suffice for now. Maybe I just have to wait for a true master of this sort of thing to take hold of the project and really make this movie the best it can be.
As I said, I'm not giving up, but I may consider starting over will more realistic goals in mind. As it stands I feel like I have a decent starting place for a much more in depth edit, the sort of edit that sets the ground work for the next stage of serious digital editing and touch ups. In other words, I've built the foundation for a skyscraper, but only have the means to build a decent shed.
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Have you consulted any other editors about the technical stuff? ADigitalMan has helped me out with getting past glitches with some of my projects.
Hi jones1899,
If you want better quality, I suggest you obtain a Sony Vegas 8 Pro trial version (it gives you all the features in the trial) as this will help you output your renders in better quality as well as giving a wide choice of options. Adobe Premiere is well known for its limitations in output formats.
Secondly, for best control over an edit, I always use VirtualDub. I use it to import the vobs using the MPEG2 Filter add-on, then I convert to avi using the lossless lagarith codec (within VirtualDub) - although the files might be large, they are more stable to use. This way, you import the files as avi's to your project and you have less hiccups along the way as say something in standard MPEG2 or VOB or other file formats, which can be stuttery.
Thirdly, in VirtualDub I select the audio track stream, and output it for WAV seperately then I convert it to another format such as MP3 to import into the project.
This way you should hopefully have better results.
Try it and see what you think.