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As I've said before, Luke was a cool Jedi to watch because he was so close to falling to the darkside (doing things that went AGAINST his teachings). IF your power comes from ALL LIVING THINGS then wouldn't killing deplete or harm your own power source?

I dont want to argue about this with you but i have to state that your logic in this is absolutely black and white and very one sided.

Lets pretend i'd believe my power comes from ALL LIVlING THINGS. Lets also pretend someone hates all living things and wants to destroy them. Should i kill him? Definetly! And bloody fast! The more i believe this the faster i would. And i wouldn't even feel remorse. In fact such radical fews can lead to the most brutal and "unhippy" like behaviour imaginable. Morals are always relative! Kill one to save 100, etc... (this of course only sratches the surface of ethics/morals...)

Loving all living things does not forbid some one to be angry or curse like an old sailor. Honestly, I like most of what you write, but you definetly should rethink this! You are being _absolutely_ one dimensional. Of course there can be more Dalai Lama like figures in the Yedi order (Yoda?) but I can very well imagine more 'practical' people, like i imagine Obi-Wan has been. Portraying the Jedi as perfect or saints feels just so wrong... Much about their beliefs that we know about (frome the movies) has been told to us by Yoda: The one considered the wisest. When he says something like "anger is bad" another Jedi might argue "Be careful with anger, but it can be a good tool to do the right thing when its necessary".

In the world are all kinds of religions and most of them forbid murder, but most of them also legitimize it in many cases or even have heroes who kill their enemies (just read the bible, the god of the old testament is a maniac killer, yet its a 'peaceful' religion and his son preaches 'love your enemy' in the NT).

I could go on about this forever, but as i said, i dont want to argue about this. So i will drop this matter after this posts. Discussions about spiritualism/morals/religion tend to get too emotional and i dont want to hurt anyones feelings here...

PS: Sorry if my posts seem kind of convoluted at the moment, but i've been studying alot in the last few weeks and my brain feels like its melting ;)

I dont want to argue about this with you but i have to state that your logic in this is absolutely black and white and very one sided.

Deathcrow - No argument here.  Its just a discussion.  Don't sweat it.  Especially when you are 100% correct.  That's EXACTLY what I'm going for BLACK and WHITE... RIGHT and WRONG.  This is just a starting point of the story:  The Glorious Old Republic where the Jedi were defenders of the peace, advisors, or ambassadors.  I am going for EXTREMELY idealistic here (a "more civilized age").  Then the Clone Wars start.  Ep1 shows the Jedi as idealistic and heroic all the way up to the final act.  The Jedi help plan the attacks to take back the planets taken by the Mandalorian Clones.  When Obiwan tells Anakin that the Jedi will not go into battle,  no one is shocked (it is widely known that the Jedi are not soldiers) except Anakin.  How can the Jedi say that they stand for justice if they abandon Bail now?  Anakin persuades Obiwan to go against his Jedi beliefs and goes with him and Bail.

When he says something like "anger is bad" another Jedi might argue "Be careful with anger, but it can be a good tool to do the right thing when its necessary".

In the world are all kinds of religions and most of them forbid murder, but most of them also legitimize it in many cases or even have heroes who kill their enemies.

This is where my idea of the Sith comes from.  At the end of EP2, the Sith that fights Obiwan even tells him that Obiwan's and Anakin's actions at the end of EP1 inspired several Jedi to take action ... LEADING to the Sith.  This makes them a natural extension of the Jedi.  The Jedi themselves are unwilling to change in a changing world (their ideology forbids it) but the Sith become a natural evolution in these darkening times.  Put simply: I want the audience to start feeling distanced from the Jedi and identify with the Sith.  With fear and death all around, who would you want on your side?

I haven't posted my EP3 synopsis yet, so maybe that's why some of my ideas don't seem to work for you.  You don't know what I am ultimately trying to say in the NPT.  I really want characters to have to make difficult decisions.  Decide to stick to their beliefs or do what they feel they must even if it goes against everything they've ever known.

I guess in the end...

What I really want to show is that Luke was the Jedi who could find the compromise (or balance if you will) and be the Jedi YOU spoke of.  My Jedi are like fundamentalists, unswerving, and during the golden age of the republic it worked very well.  As the times change some are forced to break those fundamentals and as often happens the pendulum swings 180 (there lies the dark side). And in the end...there is Luke.

I could go on about this forever, but as i said, i dont want to argue about this. So i will drop this matter after this posts. Discussions about spiritualism/morals/religion tend to get too emotional and i dont want to hurt anyones feelings here...

 Again, don't sweat it.  I like discussion.  Sometimes, I just have a hard time explaining my ideas.  I would rather talk than type.  That's why I'm glad someone like Chainsaw would write the script for this thing.  Does any of this help or do you think the idea is just too out there?

TMBTM said:One thing that is in the OT and not in the PT is a ship that is almost like a character that we love. I'm not saying to use the Falcon in the NPT but to have a cool ship that plays a big part in all the episodes would be nice.

The one thing the Clone Wars Animated series has done, is the great ship that Anakin flies around in. Maybe that ship could be duplicated for this idea. Maybe this ship begins as the spice freighter becomes the iconic ship this trilogy. Just an idea.

Having said that, The Clone Wars series makes me want to cry it's so bad. Every episode has been ver forgettable...Except for the fact that they overuse JarJar.

The one Clone Wars episode I enjoyed was "Trespass." I mentioned it earlier.  I thought it showed TRUE jedi in character for the first time.

WheresBlackhawk said:

The one Clone Wars episode I enjoyed was "Trespass." I mentioned it earlier.  I thought it showed TRUE jedi in character for the first time.

Which one was that? Another one I forgot I guess. =)

What did everyone think about using Anakin's ship from the Clone Wars series?

"Trespass" - The one on the snow planet.

On the topic of designs, someone mentioned this way back and I agree.  I think we should look through some of the old Star Wars designs and sketches (ships, armor, etc).  That way they FEEL like Star Wars, but we continue to separate ourselves from the original PT.

It might be an interesting twist to have notPadme an unwitting Lady Macbeth.

If Anakin was initially shown as being without any ambition or desire to be more than just a navigator on a spice freighter, she could be constantly pushing him to be more than that (only with good intentions not Lady Macbeth's poison).

As Anakin becomes more confident and takes on a more active role she continues to push him to achieve greater and greater things with terrible consequences.

The sadness that Leia remembers comes not just from her husband's fall but from her part in it.

Bingowings - That was always my intention of NotPadme toward BAIL.  The idea of the Anakin/NotPadme relationship being an affair really grew on me. It also enabled her to be Bail's wife after Anakin's "death" and (through some slight of hand) show her with Bail and a baby girl (Leia, but implying it's Bail's child).

Bingowings said:

It might be an interesting twist to have notPadme an unwitting Lady Macbeth.

If Anakin was initially shown as being without any ambition or desire to be more than just a navigator on a spice freighter, she could be constantly pushing him to be more than that (only with good intentions not Lady Macbeth's poison).

As Anakin becomes more confident and takes on a more active role she continues to push him to achieve greater and greater things with terrible consequences.

The sadness that Leia remembers comes not just from her husband's fall but from her part in it.

 I really, really like this idea. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Anakin, a nothing farm boy with a good flightstick hand, might be filled with doubts. His pal's girlfriend encourages him, pushes him, which might be the foundation of their eventual ilicit relationship, as well as the Lady MacBeth bit.

Since this thread has been a little dead lately, I figured I'd give a little update to let folks know this project is most definitely not dead - I'm about 20 pages into the first draft of the Episode I script based on Blackhawk's outline.

I am, however, running into a bit of a snag:  I'm terrible at coming up with names that don't sound incredibly stupid.

If anyone has suggestions for names, please throw them out there!  I need:

- King Organa's aides (1 main one, about 3 or 4 smaller ones that don't really *need* names but it'd be kinda nice)
- "NotPadme"
- General Mandalorian names, including the leader
- Any other names you guys can think of

I'm currently using the EU name for the Alderaan capital, "Aldera," unless anyone thinks of something better.

Hey ChainsawAsh, nice to see ya around.  Glad to hear you're still writing.

I was curious how you felt about the obiwan clone plot?

ChainsawAsh said:

Since this thread has been a little dead lately, I figured I'd give a little update to let folks know this project is most definitely not dead - I'm about 20 pages into the first draft of the Episode I script based on Blackhawk's outline.

I am, however, running into a bit of a snag:  I'm terrible at coming up with names that don't sound incredibly stupid.

If anyone has suggestions for names, please throw them out there!  I need:

- King Organa's aides (1 main one, about 3 or 4 smaller ones that don't really *need* names but it'd be kinda nice)
- "NotPadme"
- General Mandalorian names, including the leader
- Any other names you guys can think of

I'm currently using the EU name for the Alderaan capital, "Aldera," unless anyone thinks of something better.

I too have been working on some material from Blackhawks story idea. Perhaps we should exchange work sometime.

NotPadme- two names I've been kicking around are 'Lady Arcadia' which I think has a nice noble ring to it and 'Lhasa,' which keeps the 'L' gimmick that she gives both her kids.

I think Lucas's earliest treaments are  a rich sourse of good names. Kane and Deak are two names unused in the movies from the earliest drafts, as are the planets Aquilae and Townowi. "Aquliae Rangers" were a military force in the earliest drafts, and I'm using that name as Bail Organa's personal bodyguard. I see the Aquilae Rangers and analogous to Musketeers, as opposed to the wandering knight-errants of the Jedi.

I'm also proposing "Angel Blue,"  a refrence from an early draft of Star Wars, as the name of Anakin's ship.

Here are the least objectioable Star Wars person names out of the 275 I came up with.

Holis Raen, Bret Thousand, Saimus Thule, Kai Viratas, Rhana Ordalleon,   

As for Mandalorians, I'm currently using "Ruthven" as the head mandalorian, a refrence to a Gilbert & Sullivan opera... names aren't my strong point either.

I think the "Old Republic" might be very heavy into monarchies and nobility. Much of that seems evident in the OT. "Lord" Vader, "Princess" Leia. etc. I think the "Republic" might only refer to a very loose federation of systems and alliances, mainly between hereditary rulers (or at least constiturional monarchies... no "elected queens" for us!) a system that has functioned well for centuries, but is currently in crisis.  That the Republic is a bastion of democracy seems hard to reconcile with the number of royalty we have floating around.

I've been contemplating Bail's motivations. As the young king (or perhaps crown prince) of a wealthy and powerful world, his main motivation is to avoid political entanglements, commitments, or war. He thinks he can negotiage, appease, and avoid all confrontations. The Mandalorian blockade and assassination attemps makes him rethink this. I think his character arc might be the realization that he has to fight for the greater good, so his story ends with Alderaan committed to the Republic's defense.

I'm kind of at ends on how exactly NotPadme works into the story. I don't want her to feel like a hanger-on, but haven't figured out a role or real character arc for her. One idea I have is that she starts out as one of Bail's guards, an Aquiliae Ranger (she's also noble born) and they fall in love as she defends him. This makes her very vibrant and dynamic, and we can see why Bail and Anakin both fall for her.  

Hey Boost, some really nice names there. I really like Lhasa for NotPadme. I think it would sound really good in quiet moments between her and Bail or her and Anakin.  I like the idea of her being part of Bail's guard and NOT royalty.  I think we have enough royalty in the saga.  BUT she would still need an official sounding name - "Ranger (last name)" when we meet her and when we are talking business.

For Bail's character arc (most of this is taken from my original outline):

If we start with Bail off Alderaan pretty much living a misspent youth (like prince Hal in Henry IV).  Lhasa would still be with him to protect him as the heir.  After Alderann is invaded and Bail's father is killed.  I was thinking the Mandalorians could go after him to use him a pawn (useless heir is easily manipulated), thus the fight and escape involving Bail and Lhasa, Obiwan and Anakin, and Owen and Beru.  Bail's first steps to becoming a king could be purely to impress Lhasa, who seems intrigued by this Anakin dude.  I really wanted to see Bail grow over the three movie from reluctant king, to a man who would fight for his people, to a man who would surrender himself to pretect his people.

Arabic names are great and with a bit of a spelling change can look suitably Star Warseque.

Amirah means Princess or Leader,

Asiya means, one who tends to the weak, one who heals,

Manar means Guiding light ,

Japanese too has some nice sounding names which could keep their phonetic meaning with a spelling change.

Chiyo for example means a thousand generations (the length of time that the Jedi have protected the Republic).

WheresBlackhawk said:

Henry IV).  Lhasa would still be with him to protect him as the heir.  After Alderann is invaded and Bail's father is killed.  I was thinking the Mandalorians could go after him to use him a pawn (useless heir is easily manipulated), thus the fight and escape involving Bail and Lhasa, Obiwan and Anakin, and Owen and Beru.  Bail's first steps to becoming a king could be purely to impress Lhasa, who seems intrigued by this Anakin dude.  I really wanted to see Bail grow over the three movie from reluctant king, to a man who would fight for his people, to a man who would surrender himself to pretect his people.

 So she's like... a sexy Falstaff! I find that oddly erotic.

Uh... ...

Forget I said that.

If Lhasa/NotPadme is Bail's bodyguard, it could also possible provide some antagonism between what she wants to do to protect him and what Obi/Ani want to do. It would be great if we could nail some sassy banter back and forth between her and Anakin (who takes Obi's side, because Obi isn't argumentative). That flirtatious arguing stuff could provide some nice comic relief without having to introduce a Jar Jar.

Some nice french female first names that,in my (french) opinion, sounds good in english:

- Amandine (from latin: kind)

- Mathilde (from 2 german words: force and fight)

- Elodie (from 2 german words: stranger and wealth.) Would be fun for a character who dies quick (you know, "Hello! / Die....".  Oh well, Nevermind)

All in all you'd better finish the script first then find final names that fit the characters well.

Anyone still thinking about this?

mrbenja0618 said:

Anyone still thinking about this?

 

Still writing, but midterms are this week - I'll start going much, much faster after the semester is over in May.

Oh yeah, I understand. Just curious if it was still on everyones mind. I swear, I wish Lucas would just hand over the keys to Peter Jackson, and get Lawrence Kasdan to write the trilogy, re-shoot, and BANG, happiness... 

ACTION SET PIECES:

Ideas for the big BANG POW moments in Episode 1.

* Monster- Ever see an Ant-lion? Horrid little bugs that dig holes in the sand, and when an ant falls in, they dig the sand out from underneath the ant, making the ant slide towards them and get eaten. How about some kind of monster like that on Tatoiine, that can be in some dangerous location that Anakin, Obi, and the gang are chased into by the baddies, and the baddies wind up eaten while the heroes escape?

* Lightsaber Duel- Obi and the Light Saber Baddie (a villian with a lightsaber, who I think should be Palpy's aprentice, even if we don't meet Palpy in Ep. 1) fight. LSB gets his saber destroyed. The fight becomes a wrestling match, grappling over possesion of the one lightsaber- pushing and pulling the blade at your opponent while trying to maintain control. Kind of a MMA fight... with a lightsaber. (I'm really trying to imagine action bits that stand out from the OT and the PT). Imagine how lethal rolling around grappling with an activated lightsaber might be!

* Space Ship Action- During the 'storming the castle' finale, Anakin actually pilots the Angle Blue (what I call his ship) INTO the capital of Alderaan. Past space fighters, past surface to air defenses, and shatters the enourmous stained glass window, landing the ship inside the cathedral-like Throne room. This would be cool to watch and establish Anakin as the best and most reckless pilot alive. It also lessons the need for a big space battle climax which might seem to deriviative of Star Wars and Jedi.