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Bingowings said:

He could come down in a little lift which would make him even more isolated.

But a lift wouldn't show off more of the interior... :-(

In order to get a sense of isolation, all that needs be done would be to remove the extra officers and insert a different matte background.  The actual stairs and hallway need not be changed.  As is it looks almost like a small hallway between rooms, so why in the hell are three officers just standing around?  Regardless, I'm not bothered by the existing shot.  If any changes are done, it may be easiest just to isolate Piett and replace the entirety of the background.

DarkFather said:

You seriously want to tell me that Vader would be perfectly okay with a bunch of random-ass Joes having such a chance to glimpse him without his helmet on, or to have regular sneak peeks on the private meetings going on within?

Who said he would have to walk that far to get to the action of things anyway? It could be an extra room separating the main decks from his private chamber. It's not like it has to be a mile long corridor or anything.

Vader could just be a few floors down in the command tower.  I would still think that there would be an airlock of sorts being that Vader would have to have something akin to a pure oxygen environment due to his physical damage and need of the suit.

WAMPA ATTACK:
I understand the CGI blood thing, but you could still add sound FX like breaking bones, and the eyes on the Taun-Taun could be done using the same program you used on the cantina creatures.  As far as having the "Taun-Taun" spin its head to the left in the scene with Luke getting hit, you could use some of the other shots with Luke and Han on their Taun-Tauns, since the heads are pointing to the left.

The whole idea is to make the Taun-Taun act more like a living creature.  Be it deer or horses, usually when a predator, person or loud noise occurs around most animals (including us), we all tend to see what it is.

The extra Wampa hand and arm could be done by copying the arm and flipping it.  The thumb may have to be repositioned.

Adywan said:
The mountains don't need to be changed. its the canon that's throwing out the scale in this shot. i may change the contrast of the background to give it more distance

SNOWSPEEDER REVEAL:
I have to disagree with you on your statement here.  It is not the gun tower that throws it off, but the mountain range which is part of a used backdrop.  If you look at that "hill", it is the same or similar to alot of the distant mountain shots in a lot of the AT-AT attack sequences.  Being that you can see 2 snowspeeders coming over the "mountain", either those snowspeeders are HUGE or that is a tiny mountain range.

There are various ways this could be modified:
(1) make the mountains into a snow hill comparable to the ground.
(2) rather than the snowspeeders coming up over the mountains, have them coming FROM the mountains, whereas we can see the fleet of snowspeeders extending much farther in the distance

Savage said:

In order to get a sense of isolation, all that needs be done would be to remove the extra officers and insert a different matte background.  The actual stairs and hallway need not be changed.  As is it looks almost like a small hallway between rooms, so why in the hell are three officers just standing around?  Regardless, I'm not bothered by the existing shot.  If any changes are done, it may be easiest just to isolate Piett and replace the entirety of the background.

i'm actually in two minds about this now. i'm starting to like the idea of having it a bit more isolated. hmmmm, what to do. lol

Monroville said:

DarkFather said:

You seriously want to tell me that Vader would be perfectly okay with a bunch of random-ass Joes having such a chance to glimpse him without his helmet on, or to have regular sneak peeks on the private meetings going on within?

Who said he would have to walk that far to get to the action of things anyway? It could be an extra room separating the main decks from his private chamber. It's not like it has to be a mile long corridor or anything.

Vader could just be a few floors down in the command tower.  I would still think that there would be an airlock of sorts being that Vader would have to have something akin to a pure oxygen environment due to his physical damage and need of the suit.

WAMPA ATTACK:
I understand the CGI blood thing, but you could still add sound FX like breaking bones, and the eyes on the Taun-Taun could be done using the same program you used on the cantina creatures.  As far as having the "Taun-Taun" spin its head to the left in the scene with Luke getting hit, you could use some of the other shots with Luke and Han on their Taun-Tauns, since the heads are pointing to the left.

The whole idea is to make the Taun-Taun act more like a living creature.  Be it deer or horses, usually when a predator, person or loud noise occurs around most animals (including us), we all tend to see what it is.

The extra Wampa hand and arm could be done by copying the arm and flipping it.  The thumb may have to be repositioned.

Adywan said:
The mountains don't need to be changed. its the canon that's throwing out the scale in this shot. i may change the contrast of the background to give it more distance

I have to disagree with you on your statement here.  It is not the gun tower that throws it off, but the mountain range which is part of a used backdrop.  If you look at that "hill", it is the same or similar to alot of the distant mountain shots in a lot of the AT-AT attack sequences.  Being that you can see 2 snowspeeders coming over the "mountain", either those snowspeeders are HUGE or that is a tiny mountain range.

it isn't as easy as taking the head off the Taun-Taun from a separate section to make him react. the two shots have to match and with all the movement its virtually impossible

The snowspeeders don't come over the mountain at all. take a look at the first few frames and you'll see that the speeders come in from the lower left side of the screen. i might add some smaller speeders coming from in the distance which will give it the scale it needs

EDIT: i see you edited your post while i was writing my reply

adywan said:

i'm actually in two minds about this now. i'm starting to like the idea of having it a bit more isolated. hmmmm, what to do. lol

The Force is strong with this one!

Cant wait Ady!

-Angel

adywan said:

i'm actually in two minds about this now. i'm starting to like the idea of having it a bit more isolated. hmmmm, what to do. lol

I love this project.  :-D

Uncanny Antman said:

DarkFather said:

You seriously want to tell me that Vader would be perfectly okay with a bunch of random-ass Joes having such a chance to glimpse him without his helmet on, or to have regular sneak peeks on the private meetings going on within?

If Vader was your boss, would you take even the tiniest chance of getting sprung peeking in on his business when the door was open?

 

Yeah, me neither.

 

Look in the picture. Someone in the hall has their head turned in his direction. On purpose or an accident, they have a good chance of spotting him.

Plus, the Imperials on that ship seemed to have near suicidal tendancies at times. Everytime I hear "and will apologize to Lord Vader", I wonder if the guy actually thought that would work. :P I'd be hauling ass to the nearest escape capsule.

Adywan, if you're considering incorporated Bingowing's idea vis-a-vis an isolated meditation chamber, let me just throw in my two cents. I really love the idea. Though it's primarily a cosmetic concern, it does make a great deal of sense that Vader wouldn't want peepers hanging around right outside his bachelor pad. Moreover, the point has been raised (and I think rightly) that Executor's backgrounds start looking really repitious and confined. Putting in a hallway or tunnel here could really help to lend a bigger "feel" to the flagship. :)

adywan said:

Savage said:

In order to get a sense of isolation, all that needs be done would be to remove the extra officers and insert a different matte background.  The actual stairs and hallway need not be changed.  As is it looks almost like a small hallway between rooms, so why in the hell are three officers just standing around?  Regardless, I'm not bothered by the existing shot.  If any changes are done, it may be easiest just to isolate Piett and replace the entirety of the background.

i'm actually in two minds about this now. i'm starting to like the idea of having it a bit more isolated. hmmmm, what to do. lol 

I'm sure you all remember Palpatine had a similar "meditation chamber" adjacent to his office in ROTS with a little hallway Mace and Co. strode down to confront him.  Maybe Vader had something similar on the Executer.

--ID 

adywan said:

Savage said:

In order to get a sense of isolation, all that needs be done would be to remove the extra officers and insert a different matte background.  The actual stairs and hallway need not be changed.  As is it looks almost like a small hallway between rooms, so why in the hell are three officers just standing around?  Regardless, I'm not bothered by the existing shot.  If any changes are done, it may be easiest just to isolate Piett and replace the entirety of the background.

i'm actually in two minds about this now. i'm starting to like the idea of having it a bit more isolated. hmmmm, what to do. lol

You could just create an airlock - have a set of doors behind Piett.  That way his chamber could be anywhere in proximity to the bridge and the double doors would give him the privacy.

Some extra ideas on the airlock concept:
(1) have the doors behind Piett do the "super fast closing" like the detention block cell doors or the stormtrooper station on the DS.
(2) the area Piett is in is dark or lit with "emergency lighting" until the SFC doors close up, whereupon the lights in the airlock chamber slowly light up to full power.

Also, have you thought about doing anything with the INSIDE of Vader's meditation chamber?  You know, a disco ball, a CENTIPEDE console game... ?    >:)

Seriously though, could anything be done to spice it up a bit (even if it is just some lighting or lights - something to indicate to Vader when someone is coming into his room - not that he couldn't sense them with the Force or anything)?

For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkywRUAd0_w&feature=related

at 3:06, maybe some small monitors could be added to the blocky white panels on either side of Vader, in essence to show him the activity on all the other SDs in the fleet.

You know, thinking about the comments of Vader's chamber being right beside the bridge, how funny does it make the "You're in charge now, Admiral Piett" scene if Ozzel was right outside the door!  Makes me think of AIRPLANE 2 and Shatner's scenes on the moon.  Maybe that WASN'T a viewscreen Vader was looking through!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHKd80asXy4

adywan said:

it isn't as easy as taking the head off the Taun-Taun from a separate section to make him react. the two shots have to match and with all the movement its virtually impossible

WAMPA ATTACK:
I understand the CGI blood thing, but you could still add sound FX like breaking bones, and the eyes on the Taun-Taun could be done using the same program you used on the cantina creatures.  As far as having the "Taun-Taun" spin its head to the left in the scene with Luke getting hit, you could use some of the other shots with Luke and Han on their Taun-Tauns, since the heads are pointing to the left.

The whole idea is to make the Taun-Taun act more like a living creature.  Be it deer or horses, usually when a predator, person or loud noise occurs around most animals (including us), we all tend to see what it is.

The extra Wampa hand and arm could be done by copying the arm and flipping it.  The thumb may have to be repositioned.

Well, it's not something that HAS to be done, just something to give the Taun-Taun more life to it by allowing it to react more like a living creature.  While it may be hard to do the synching, also keep in mind that the "Luke swipe" scene only lasts a second or two.  If you had the Taun-Taun spin its head to the left, it wouldn't have to be super-perfect since all we would need to see would be the motion blur.

Anyways, just a suggestion.

EDIT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAr4PIAZiqQ

at 3:40, the Taun-Taun does turn its head kinda.  Maybe if the eyes were wider like how horses eyes are when they are scared, as well as have the eyes look to the left in the direction of the Wampa.

Tomorrow I am going to edit this post with some Photoshopped images to help show what I'm talking about.

The more I think about the Great Vader's Isolation Chamber Debate™ :) the more I'm liking the idea of an elevator entrance a'la the Emperor's throne room in ROTJ.  It isolates the room and doesn't make it implausible that Vader is running all over the ship since we have no idea where the chamber may be located.  And it also ties more design elements together between the Star Destroyer and Death Star.

I also like Monroville's idea of decreasing the ambient lighting.  Maybe pushing the elevator back a little and having the room dimly lit until Vader's reveal would give it a greater scope, rather than having the chamber so close to the entrance.

Bingowings said:

He could come down in a little lift which would make him even more isolated.

 

 I like it.   It could place the chamber anywhere you want it to be.

Matt_Kenobi said:

Bingowings said:

He could come down in a little lift which would make him even more isolated.

 

 

 I like it.   It could place the chamber anywhere you want it to be.

How does one get permission to use Vader's Personal Elevator?  How could Vader be caught unawares if his wall dings that someone is headed down to see him?  Just playing devil's advocate here (and I really like the hallway idea).

doubleofive said:

Matt_Kenobi said:

Bingowings said:

He could come down in a little lift which would make him even more isolated.

 

 

 I like it.   It could place the chamber anywhere you want it to be.

 

How does one get permission to use Vader's Personal Elevator?  How could Vader be caught unawares if his wall dings that someone is headed down to see him?  Just playing devil's advocate here (and I really like the hallway idea).

What if the lift opens to a small entryway, so it doesn't HAVE to be a private lift.  You can have the hallway with the lift doors at the end of it.

The more I think about it, there really is no excuse for Vader to not have his helmet on.  It doesn't matter how long we make the hallway or anything.  How come people can just go in and open the door without knocking or anything like that?

doubleofive said:

The more I think about it, there really is no excuse for Vader to not have his helmet on.  It doesn't matter how long we make the hallway or anything.  How come people can just go in and open the door without knocking or anything like that?

 I would imagine that the helmet has to be uncomfortable at best, and he might want to have it off when he could.  Also, only a few, select, people would have access to that room.

Hot dog, we put a lot of thought into this.

DarkFather said:

Plus, the Imperials on that ship seemed to have near suicidal tendancies at times. Everytime I hear "and will apologize to Lord Vader", I wonder if the guy actually thought that would work. :P I'd be hauling ass to the nearest escape capsule.

Maybe they're hoping to catch him on a "good day".

005 - *L*  Sadly, perhaps more thought than George.

Ziz said:

DarkFather said:

Plus, the Imperials on that ship seemed to have near suicidal tendancies at times. Everytime I hear "and will apologize to Lord Vader", I wonder if the guy actually thought that would work. :P I'd be hauling ass to the nearest escape capsule.

Maybe they're hoping to catch him on a "good day".

A good day where he still chokes you but stops just before you pass out?