TheBoost said:
Vaderisnothayden said:

Xizor is a Mary Sue because the story goes "Look at our cool villain, look he's so cool he can rival Darth Vader and get fresh with Leia."

So... you'd be more compelled by a villain who isn't cool, doesn't try to challenge the status quo, and leaves the heroes alone? (and in case you forgot, he was pwned by his Darthness and Leia kicked him in the nuts)

An EU villain got stuffed right into the OT story and they designed it so it was basically "Look how cool our villain is!" With him taking liberties with the film characters. It was fucking annoying. Don't forget, this story was pushing the implausible idea that the emperor would treat an alien crimelord as being on a level with Vader. It all felt so fan-fictiony. The whole thing felt like a fan pushing their own favorite fan-character villain into the OT storyline. It was really pushing it.

And as regards coolness of villains, I do have an issue with Star Wars villains being overly done up as "cool", because the OT didn't do that and the PT did. It's more tolerable when it's just EU, but Shadows was pushed as more than that. It was full of characters who were supposed to be terribly coool, which is one of the reasons it came off like fan fiction instead of part of the OT storyline.

As for leaving the heroes alone, obviously villains are supposed to bother the heroes, but they don't have to use mind-altering sexual attraction effects on them. I hate that sort of thing. And it's such a fan thing to have their pet villain try that on Leia.

And he can try to challenge the status quo all he likes, but putting him on the level of Darth Vader is pushing it.