So... The Clone Wars "movie"... — Page 3

Vaderisnothayden said:

DarkFather said:

In the real world, the word "concede" has many definitions that go beyond the dictionary.

I think it was obvious to everyone that in this case, it meant: an attempt to end the discussion because you knew you were wrong, knew I was right, and had little confidence left in your argument to continue.

No, actually I tried to end the discussion because I saw it was likely to descend into us just chucking personal insults at each other and I wanted to avoid that. Plus I was sick of talking to you.

Clearly you interpreted it in a way that suited the needs of your ego. But as you can see from posts above, my argument is doing quite well against yours. Yours is not helped by the fact that you seem dead set against understanding my point of view at all. So, as you see, I don't in fact lack confidence in my point of view. And to be honest, I see your point of view as a case of not seeing the big picture.

 

Clearly you interpreted the posts above in a way that suited the needs of your ego.

SKOL!

This movie should have had its own category created for a razzie award.  Worst Animated Feature of 2008.  I predicted Early on that Wall E would win best animated feature at the oscars.  No negative 1 went on about how it was the worst animated feature ever and clone wars was the best thing ever,lol.

By the Way i don't think Wall E was the best animated feature of 2008, i believe that should have gone to Studio Ghibli and Miyazaki.  I will agree that it was the best American animated film.

Clone Wars is clearly an Embarassment of a Movie even for the director.  The TV movie he made for the Last Airbender was better.

That's for sure. The Anakin from this show is definitely close to how I envision Anakin when watching the OT.

In DarkFather's little world he does. Not in Vaderisnothayden's little world.

It is true that in this Clone Wars animated tv show Anakin is shown as less of a selfish prick and it shows him fighting side by side with the clone troopers, It shows he has to do some growing up because he is now a teacher of a young spirited jedi who does not follow the rules. Of course that is the idea of this show to turn things on their head, Ahsoka Tano is like a female version of young Anakin.   That is why she was paired up with him instead of Obi Wan or some other Jedi.

In fact this i would not go so far to say that this anakin is more in line with the Anakin in Return of the Jedi, but he is more in line with the Anakin in the Dark Horse comics and the Del Rey novels and is a more human and understandable character.  See if Anakin was more loving to Padme in the prequels, more human as a character you see he loves her and it pains him to be away from her on the fields of battle.  He hates seeing his friends killed in combat , etc.  Instead of being the little bastard demon he is in the movies who you wish burned up on Mustafar.

His character which started out fine in the Phantom Menace imho was entirely misshandled in Attack of the Clones.  But most of my problems come with his portrayal in revenge of the sith.  The plot is extremely convoluted and rushed and patheticaly week when out of sympathy at the end of the film you should be on the verge of tears when Anakin falls to the darkside.  Instead you wish the little asswhole met his end on Mustafar.  You care little about his redemption or even about his downfall.  As Lucas wrote him I hate the character of anakin skywalker, i loathe him.  He is no fallen saint or angel as portrayed in the oot.  In fact the story of episode II and III pretty much lays it out that the duality of Anakin/Vader are one and the same.

He was never a good man who turned Bad.  He begins as a selfish Teenager and ends his life as an Adult as a selfish tyrant with the blood of billions on his hands, but because he saved his son he deserved redemption,lol.

As it turns out the saga is pathetic and laughably bad.  Billions are butchered and Killed because Kenobi and Yoda put all their faith and trust in a single person.  Because of some dumb prophecy.

All the history of conflict and suffering in the gffa is because of rival sects of a relgious cult of shamans with godlike powers who act anything but.  They are basically fallen mortals with these powers that make them dangerous to ordinary humans.   They are more like the petty gods or demi gods of ancient Earth mythology like the greeks.

Its no wonder in some of the EU novels regular people have come to a consenus that a galaxy without sith or jedi would be a better place.

If you buy into any of the EU after Return of the Jedi a hundred and something years later in the legacy comics a new Empire is born.  The Jedi  are all but wiped out and the sith are resurgent and are a new sith empire.  There are sith , jedi knights and Imperial knights three factions of force wielders.  The Empire is ruled by the imperial fel family who are not jedi but are strong in the force.  And once again the fate of the Galaxy rests on the shoulders of a man called Skywalker.

Basically the EU does not count though because the Empire falls in Return of the Jedi and the Sith are extinguished for good because Vader brought balance to the force by killing the Emperor.

Even though Luke becomes a Jedi Knight and is supposed to you would at least guess reestablish the order, Jedi are no longer needed because the galaxy is at peace.  Heroes are no longer needed.  There is no story there.

Anakin's fall did need to be tear-jerking. But it wasn't even tear-jerkingly bad. Instead it was pretty much a yawn.

The insertion of Hayden as ghost Anakin in ROTJ, was the final nail in the coffin. Anakin goes from being an evil Sith back to his ordinary evil "Jedi" self.

If we go by the saga alone, we see Anakin was never truly a hero. He wasn't even remotely likable. There was nothing to redeem. There was nothing "tragic" about his character.