ImperialFighter said:
Monroville, I've just realised that your recent 'additional Stardestroyers' suggestions (which tie-in nicely with the 'Fleet approaching Hoth' shot that appears just a little before), did not mention anything about this 'interior' shot, which has been confirmed as being the inside of Captain Lennox's 'Tyrant' Stardestroyer.
I think this was brought up @ 30 to 40 pages ago (its been a while), but my suggestion then was simply put the captain at the FRONT of the bridge as opposed to the side. Thus, you delete the 2 side guys and replace them with more windows. You could also rejigger the window the captain is in front of to make it identical in shape to the one Vader looks out of, if need be (you may need to add a bit more of a curve to the window shapes too). Regardless, this should be an easy fix to keep it a view out the front as opposed to the side of the Tyrant SD.
Should there be any kind of hint of Hoth's 'Moons' / or neighbouring 'Planets'? added to any of the other Hoth Planet shots, from the different angles that we see, do you think? -
....and I'm just including this other view below too, for additional reference, so that all the Hoth Planet shots are nearby to scroll up and down.... (again, ignore the Stardestroyer element that was added at the time) -
Also , we see yet another good-sized portion of the Hoth Planet (and the space around it), at the point where we see a 'close-up' of the 'Probe' heading towards it, before it starts to burn up in the atmosphere.
In regards to the "moons of Hoth", I would either add them in all of the scenes showing Hoth but no moons, or just delete them and make Hoth a moonless planet. Either way to retain continuity.
By the way Monroville, although I've now come round to being quite happy to see the existing shot of the 'single Stardestroyer over Hoth' kept, if Adywan chooses to do so (especially with his better colouration)....I'm still going to show my 2 favourite ALTERNATIVE variations for the shot (which lasts approx. 2 seconds), that I'd happily see also, but with a couple of additional comments about some changes -
One last thing, if there's any kind member here that is willing to PM me a step-by-step guide on how I can 'reply with quote' SEVERAL comments from VARIOUS posts, all together into one SINGLE post that I might like to make in future, I'd appreciate it, lol. I still haven't figured out how I do this, and it would be a very helpful thing for me to know! Many thanks. :)
One thing to keep in mind with this sequence is the time duration as well as the music score. Remember that when this shot happens (right before the top image where captain what's-his-face says: "Good. Our first catch of the day") you have the EMPIRE march playing fast (to indicate the adrenaline of first contact with the Empire and Rebels) and the visual only lasts maybe 1.5 to 2 seconds. The above JEDI scene (with the SD moving over us as Vader's shuttle leaves towards the DS-2) lasts a bit longer at 4 to 6 seconds. If anything I would keep the single Star Destroyer, but maybe do these alterations:
(1) bring it closer to the screen and show it moving/slightly sliding away and to the lower right as Hoth grows slightly bigger to help indicate the Tyrant has increased speed away from the rest of the fleet to intercept the first rebel transport. The extra bit of added movement should compliment the music in this scene nicely.
(2) in the scene on the bridge (again, just remove the 2 guys on the right and replace them with more windows), again show Hoth slowly getting bigger with maybe a flash (extremely small, but to indicate the rebel transport taking off as well as the shield being opened) and then a slightly moving dot to indicate the RT already moving towards the Tyrant.
(3) this way it would segway nicely with the following shot after the ion cannon scenes, where we now see the rebel transport and escorts in the middle of the screen moving towards us/ the foreground. This way we can see what the Tyrant's captain is making a comment on and it links the movement in the Tyrant bridge scene to the following RT and escorts with the ion beam shooting overtop of them.
I also concur on switchng the "Tyrant approaching Hoth" SD with the SD "under the Executor".
Firstly, in addition to my recent post regarding the possibility of showing a hint of 'Moons' / or neighbouring 'Planets' in any of the other various Hoth Planet shots that we see - I'd forgotten about a couple of other shots at the very start of 'Empire', that might be relevant to this issue, and which it would be worth having screenshots of, to refer to here -
When the introductory 'scroll' ends, and we 'pan down' to the single Stardestroyer dispatching 'Probes', we can see two brown 'Planets' (or 'Moons'?), one big one, and a small one. We can also see a blue 'Planet' (is this the same one that's seen during Luke's departure from Hoth?), which is a medium-sized one compared to the other two.
It's difficult to judge how far the 'Probe' travels from the Stardestroyer that launches it, but these 'Planets' (or 'Moons') could be in a somewhat nearby proximity of the Hoth Planet too, which reinforces the notion that some extra nearby / or distant elements such as these, could be added to one or two of the other Hoth Planet 'angles' that we see.... There seems to be an abundance of these in the vicinity of the Hoth Planet, overall.
Well, I always thought that the SD in the very beginning (the post-scroll SD) was extremely far away from Hoth, and that the other probots were travelling at hyperspace until they detected a semi-habited world off the beaten path, crash-land, pop out and investigate. You would still have to either add some moons to the shot showing the probot right before atmospheric entry or delete the moons from the later shots.
Ady: have you considered spicing up the background behind the post-scroll SD? Considering the similarity between the appearance of Hoth, Dagobah and Bespin (which I think is the one that could be played with the most), maybe you could replace the rather boring backdrop with something else - a nebula or something. There are plenty of Hubble images to pull from.
Going back to that screenshot above , it comes approx. 55 seconds (and I always look on it as 'real-time') after we last saw the Falcon blast away from the Rebel Base - just something to think about Adywan, but would we perhaps still see a small 'Hoth Planet' element receding away somewhere in the distance behind? (the Falcon and the 'Avenger' might have 'veered-away' from a direct 'line-of-sight', at some point during this intervening time, of course. Who knows?) But if you DO look on them as having taken a roughly 'line-of-site' route from where the Falcon blasted off from....do you think it would be good to STILL see a hint of it during the shot?
I agree with you here Imp Fighter: to actually see Hoth receding in the background (and have the stars slowly moving towards the back to help give both the Falcon and the SD some increased sense of speed), as well as the rest of the Imperial Fleet would be a fantastic visual (again, keep the Imp Fleet either in the middle ground or background, being that Vader and the rest of the troops would have needed a good 30 minutes to an hour to regroup, board transports and land on their respective ships, while the Avenger and 2 other SDs would have had the opportunity to immediately chase after the Falcon).
It would connect it with the Falcon's escape from Hoth and show an immediacy to the progression of events
Also, I would consider brightening/whitening the Falcon a little bit, to help it look more like the whitish-brown version in ANH but moreso to help it stand out from the similarly greyish SD behind it.