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Adywan, some relevant comments to do with both of these 2 shots above , will follow in my NEXT post -

Monroville, I've just realised that your recent 'additional Stardestroyers' suggestions (which tie-in nicely with the 'Fleet approaching Hoth' shot that appears just a little before), did not mention anything about this 'interior' shot, which has been confirmed as being the inside of Captain Lennox's 'Tyrant' Stardestroyer.

(It comes immediately after the 'single Stardestroyer over Hoth' shot, which I've always presumed is meant be the the exterior of the same ship - which would be the 'Tyrant')

However, Adywan has now confirmed he intends to add a 'couple' of extra Stardestroyers into the 'Fleet approaching Hoth' shot (so there'd now be 5 'standard' Stardestroyers' seen, if indeed 2 are added), and this throws up a few various possibilities for the view seen from the 'interior' SIDE-windows, depending on where the additional ships might be placed....  So in light of this, and your recent suggestions that I liked, here's one possible description of how this 'interior' shot could perhaps look now, which I prefer to any of my previous 'mock-up' suggestions for it, that I've posted in the past -  

While I still believe the current shot showing the Hoth Planet element seen through the 'windows' is unfortunately very wrong , I now prefer the idea that this 'interior' would remain a SIDE-view on the LEFT-hand side of the 'Tyrant'. (The existing very slight 'forward motion' during the shot, certainly gives this impression)

The current 'Fleet approaching Hoth' shot shows the 'foremost' Stardestroyer (presumably the 'Tyrant') in the distance, to the right of the 'Executor' and the others....so perhaps by this point, we'd now see only the 'starfield' through the MIDDLE window, while through the LEFT window only , we'd see that Captain Lennox is looking out at a couple of the other 'standard' Stardestroyers there, that are approx. the same distance away on his LEFT-side, as is shown in the 'approach' shot (they would be seen 'side-onwards', coming into the LEFT window only, but might not necessarily include showing the 'Executor' which may have hung back a little), and there'd also be just a hint of the Hoth Planet's 'curve' showing now, that would be seen in a portion of the RIGHT window only , behind Captain Lennox's back (either at the very bottom , except reversed....OR placed at a DIFFERENTLY - positioned 'curve' further up in the RIGHT window, giving the impression the ships are pointed more at the middle of Hoth, rather than positioned 'over' it....  Personally, I can view the angle of the current 'single Stardestroyer over Hoth' shot as being either way!), to help indicate a little 'forward motion' towards it still, as the Planet moves a little more into the RIGHT window.... 

Anyway, just a final thought on that for completion's sake Monroville, and I'd be interested to hear your and other's (especially Adywan's of course!, although I won't expect to at this point) own preferred layout for the 'window' shot too....but I guess it's all dependant on whether the 'Tyrant' is still indicated to be the 'foremost' Stardestroyer by Adywan or not, which is dictated by where he places his extra additions....  However, if there were to be additional Stardestroyers shown in the actual 'single Stardestroyer over Hoth' shot itself, it could even be argued that the 'interior' shot was cutting to the inside of one of these new additional ones now, which is meant to represent the 'Tyrant' instead....if that's what Adywan wishes to imply with his new layout!   (Ouch!, my head hurts again....)

At this point Adywan, I'd like go back to the 'Fleet approaching Hoth' shot that is shown in my previous post, and mention the 'Moons'/ blue 'Planet'? , that are seen in this shot shown below , that comes at the end of the AT-AT battle.  (Note: just ignore the speculative Stardestroyer elements that were added to these next 2 shots at the time, at my request)  If you look at the 'Fleet approaching Hoth' shot, you'll see there is either a 'Moon' or a 'Planet' behind the Hoth Planet.  It seems quite WHITE in the SE, but is this meant to be the blue 'Moon' or 'Planet' in the distance, at the bottom of the frame in the shot below?  Also, on the previous 'approach' shot shown above, we can see a definate little white 'dot' just above the front of the 'Executor's' front prow.  It is there for the duration of the shot, and seems to indicate a 'Moon'....  If it's not meant to be that, then it would be better removed, as it is in front of the area of the Hoth Planet that is in shadow....  I'll let you be the final judge on these decisions, but the point I'd like to emphasise is this -  Should there be any kind of hint of Hoth's 'Moons' / or neighbouring 'Planets'? added to any of the other Hoth Planet shots, from the different angles that we see, do you think? -    

....and I'm just including this other view below too, for additional reference, so that all the Hoth Planet shots are nearby to scroll up and down....  (again, ignore the Stardestroyer element that was added at the time) - 

By the way Monroville, although I've now come round to being quite happy to see the existing shot of the 'single Stardestroyer over Hoth' kept, if Adywan chooses to do so (especially with his better colouration)....I'm still going to show my 2 favourite ALTERNATIVE variations for the shot (which lasts approx. 2 seconds), that I'd happily see also, but with a couple of additional comments about some changes -

One is this 1st alternative version above, which would have the Stardestroyer moving along from the LEFT-hand side of the frame instead....

Considering all the potential 'Fleet' positioning ideas and possible additions previously mentioned, this gives a rough idea of how one or more other ships could be shown on the LEFT-hand side of the 'main' one seen in the foreground (currently implied as being the 'Tyrant')....

....OR there's this 2nd alternative version below, (which would use the final 2 seconds only), from the end of the 18-seconds long Stardestroyer element used in the 'intro.' shot from 'JEDI' instead.... 

Again, considering all the previous recent suggestions and descriptions, I'd probably remove the smaller, extra ship I previously speculated about adding to this shot, and would prefer the Hoth Planet element to be more centrally-located in the MIDDLE of the frame instead, so that it seems the 'Tyrant' is seen heading 'straight-on', directly towards it now....  Also, because of the 'downwards'-pointing angle of the Stardestroyer element, the whole Hoth Planet element itself could be moved DOWN in the frame a little, so that the prow is only 'intersecting' over a smaller portion of the top of it now.  There could be a hint of a 'Moon' or distant 'Planet' somewhere around here too.... - 

One last thing, if there's any kind member here that is willing to PM me a step-by-step guide on how I can 'reply with quote' SEVERAL comments from VARIOUS posts, all together into one SINGLE post that I might like to make in future, I'd appreciate it, lol.  I still haven't figured out how I do this, and it would be a very helpful thing for me to know!   Many thanks.  :)     

Monroville said:

Another idea in regards to the AT-AT heads and windows:

I can understand the "red" going away, due to the difficulty in creating the lighting effects inside the cockpit.  Would you consider adding "bluish-white" windows to the AT-ATs instead, so in the close-ups we can see into the windows and see the cockpit crew (ie the "inside window" shots in ALIEN, be it the bridge or Narcissus)?

In fact, if you considered this, you could keep the bluish view of the original 2004 SEs in regards to all of the "window shots looking out" when we are inside the AT-AT bridge (ie, the internal bridge shots are color corrected, but when we are behind the AT-AT drivers the stuff in the window view is the bluish tint, which would then match the bluish-white of the AT-AT windows on all of the outside head shots)

I suggest this because it would help to give the AT-ATs a sense of scale if we could actually see into the window and thus the model.  It is not so much the red color that is important as the idea of the AT-ATs having a viewable interior to help build the illusion that there are people inside.

Vaderios: is there any way you could do some mock-ups (maybe a mix of the what you created before: keeping the original color-corrected cockpit shot looking out at the fleeing rebels (without the red tint), but adding the extra display alterations and lighting) - both inside and outside the AT-AT head (you could take one of the previous AT-AT head shots and take the Veers shot and shrink it down to fit into the window slat).

The problem is that unless Ady builds a very big AT-AT head model there just isn't enough window to show any detail inside.

There also isn't that much light coming from the cockpit.

To illustrate this point I put Vaderious' interior shot roughly in scale into the window slit of this quite close shot of the head (bear in mind it hasn't been adjusted for shade and it hasn't got window glass and the interior shot is still too big).

You can hardly see a thing.

Needa's shuttle was dug up many moons ago and ady has already voiced his intension to replace it.

Ganamae said:

  *lots of words*

 

 

 Seriously.  This was a scene filmed with models.  Why hasn't a picture of the model used for the shuttle ever surfaced?  It looks like Darth Vader's TIE fighter with the wings inside-out.

Sluggo said:

Ganamae said:

  *lots of words*

 

 

 

 Seriously.  This was a scene filmed with models.  Why hasn't a picture of the model used for the shuttle ever surfaced?  It looks like Darth Vader's TIE fighter with the wings inside-out.

As posted above it's a TIE Bomber with the bomb pod removed.

I have an original AT-AT model that was made before the film went into production. It has the 1978 written on the bottom and it says G. Lucas. Although I'm not 100% certain that it's legit. It doesnt move or anything, it's just for visual. But something interestng about it is that the window is red. I'll snap a pic of it maybe later.

Bingowings:  No, I don't think it is.  I think that wiki article is taking a lot of liberties with a storyboard, a comic book and a still of the movie.

I'm not trying to be argumenative, but that's the way I see it.

to add my own suggestion adywan on the close up of the at ats they always came off to me like plastic is it possible to give a kind of metallic feel?

Sluggo said:

Bingowings:  No, I don't think it is.  I think that wiki article is taking a lot of liberties with a storyboard, a comic book and a still of the movie.

I'm not trying to be argumenative, but that's the way I see it.

No worries, I'm not offended at all but it's reasonably well documented. I looked into the subject as closely as I could a long time ago and every account I could find replicated that explanation. Model is lit very harshly which can cause problems with descerning the difference between convex and concave surfaces. It's largely academic as Ady has already said that a standard shuttle will replace it in this edit (unless he's changed his mind).

Darth Piccolo said:

to add my own suggestion adywan on the close up of the at ats they always came off to me like plastic is it possible to give a kind of metallic feel?

As with adding interior details the only way would be to build a very big head to replace the existing close ups.

The bigger the head the more surface detail and weight can be shown (some of the models for Alien were huge and it really helped to get in close and convey weight but even those models had limits).

The Executor tower seen in ROTJ was enourmous but it couldn't be used to pan into a window because of the scale.

It might be possible to build a very big walker head because it's a smaller object (relatively speaking) but Ady would need more money, more time and it's a lot of hard work (unless there is an industrious model builder out there with time on his or her hands willing to donate their work to the project).

Bingowings said:

The problem is that unless Ady builds a very big AT-AT head model there just isn't enough window to show any detail inside.

There also isn't that much light coming from the cockpit.

To illustrate this point I put Vaderious' interior shot roughly in scale into the window slit of this quite close shot of the head (bear in mind it hasn't been adjusted for shade and it hasn't got window glass and the interior shot is still too big).

You can hardly see a thing.

I'm really glad you showed this Bingowings. 

I've got to admit, although this 'close-up' shot doesn't last very long, I'd be more than happy to see the little detail you've added-in here!  When taken in conjunction with the rest of the 'interior' cockpit footage we see, I think something like this works well enough on a subtle, 'subliminal' level. 

It would just be neat to notice that there's something showing in this particular shot's 'cockpit'.... (especially on repeat viewings....), and to me, it's already given it an improved sense of 'scale'.  I actually like this a lot!  :)

As far as the other , slightly further away 'close-up' of the AT-AT head that blows-up, that is so briefly seen before the explosion occurs, that it hardly matters.  But again, it might be nice to know there's a little 'something' in there (instead of the current 'fake-snow'-filled slit).  I guess that could just have two AT-AT Drivers in there? 

I'll come back to this shot above, at the end of this post *

Firstly, in addition to my recent post regarding the possibility of showing a hint of 'Moons' / or neighbouring 'Planets' in any of the other various Hoth Planet shots that we see -  I'd forgotten about a couple of other shots at the very start of 'Empire', that might be relevant to this issue, and which it would be worth having screenshots of, to refer to here -

When the introductory 'scroll' ends, and we 'pan down' to the single Stardestroyer dispatching 'Probes', we can see two brown 'Planets' (or 'Moons'?), one big one, and a small one.  We can also see a blue 'Planet' (is this the same one that's seen during Luke's departure from Hoth?), which is a medium-sized one compared to the other two.

It's difficult to judge how far the 'Probe' travels from the Stardestroyer that launches it, but these 'Planets' (or 'Moons') could be in a somewhat nearby proximity of the Hoth Planet too, which reinforces the notion that some extra nearby / or distant elements such as these, could be added to one or two of the other Hoth Planet 'angles' that we see....  There seems to be an abundance of these in the vicinity of the Hoth Planet, overall.

Also , we see yet another good-sized portion of the Hoth Planet (and the space around it), at the point where we see a 'close-up' of the 'Probe' heading towards it, before it starts to burn up in the atmosphere.

If someone could post a screenshot of each of these particular examples for the sake of reference , to go along with the rest of the examples I posted on this page, I'd appreciate it.  In the meantime, I'll just add this link to one of ladyferry's YouTube clips, which shows them at exactly 1 minute 57 seconds in, and 2 minutes 20 seconds in, respectively -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Hm1QTjF-k

* Going back to that screenshot above , it comes approx. 55 seconds (and I always look on it as 'real-time') after we last saw the Falcon blast away from the Rebel Base -  just something to think about Adywan, but would we perhaps still see a small 'Hoth Planet' element receding away somewhere in the distance behind?  (the Falcon and the 'Avenger' might have 'veered-away' from a direct 'line-of-sight', at some point during this intervening time, of course.  Who knows?)  But if you DO look on them as having taken a roughly 'line-of-site' route from where the Falcon blasted off from....do you think it would be good to STILL see a hint of it during the shot? 

Hmmm, I thought it was more of a viewscreen inside rather than an actual window anyway. I don't see why a black bar is bad, it could easily have a built in camera device.

Monroville said:

ImperialFighter said:

Monroville, I've just realised that your recent 'additional Stardestroyers' suggestions (which tie-in nicely with the 'Fleet approaching Hoth' shot that appears just a little before), did not mention anything about this 'interior' shot, which has been confirmed as being the inside of Captain Lennox's 'Tyrant' Stardestroyer.

I think this was brought up @ 30 to 40 pages ago (its been a while), but my suggestion then was simply put the captain at the FRONT of the bridge as opposed to the side.  Thus, you delete the 2 side guys and replace them with more windows.  You could also rejigger the window the captain is in front of to make it identical in shape to the one Vader looks out of, if need be (you may need to add a bit more of a curve to the window shapes too).  Regardless, this should be an easy fix to keep it a view out the front as opposed to the side of the Tyrant SD.

REPLY -  Ah, I must have missed seeing that at the time, as I don't remember anyone describing that.  So you'd like it to be changed to look like the FRONT of the 'Bridge' then.  I reckon quite a few thought it was meant to be the front of the 'Bridge' over the years , because the Hoth Planet's positioning, and the very slight 'movement' could have given them that impression. (I love how you say it's an 'easy' fix to do that by the way.  Really?  It could be neat if it could be done seamlessly)  Interesting to hear someone else's take on that shot, but I'm still also content to lose that particular Hoth Planet view myself, and keep it as a SIDE, NON-Bridge window area, potentially showing a little of the rest of the 'Fleet' somewhere there, with just a hint of the Planet now, seeing as we see plenty of better Hoth Planet views anyway.

   

Should there be any kind of hint of Hoth's 'Moons' / or neighbouring 'Planets'? added to any of the other Hoth Planet shots, from the different angles that we see, do you think? -    

In regards to the "moons of Hoth", I would either add them in all of the scenes showing Hoth but no moons, or just delete them and make Hoth a moonless planet.  Either way to retain continuity.

REPLY -  Agreed, I'm all for 'continuity' where possible.  I'm on the side of adding them in this case, rather than removing any, if it seems right in any instances....but happy to take what Adywan decides, regardless.

By the way Monroville, although I've now come round to being quite happy to see the existing shot of the 'single Stardestroyer over Hoth' kept, if Adywan chooses to do so (especially with his better colouration)....I'm still going to show my 2 favourite ALTERNATIVE variations for the shot (which lasts approx. 2 seconds), that I'd happily see also, but with a couple of additional comments about some changes -    

One thing to keep in mind with this sequence is the time duration as well as the music score.  Remember that when this shot happens (right before the top image where captain what's-his-face says: "Good.  Our first catch of the day") you have the EMPIRE march playing fast (to indicate the adrenaline of first contact with the Empire and Rebels) and the visual only lasts maybe 1.5 to 2 seconds.  The above JEDI scene (with the SD moving over us as Vader's shuttle leaves towards the DS-2) lasts a bit longer at 4 to 6 seconds.  If anything I would keep the single Star Destroyer, but maybe do these alterations:

(1) bring it closer to the screen and show it moving/slightly sliding away and to the lower right as Hoth grows slightly bigger to help indicate the Tyrant has increased speed away from the rest of the fleet to intercept the first rebel transport.  The extra bit of added movement should compliment the music in this scene nicely.

(2) in the scene on the bridge (again, just remove the 2 guys on the right and replace them with more windows), again show Hoth slowly getting bigger with maybe a flash (extremely small, but to indicate the rebel transport taking off as well as the shield being opened) and then a slightly moving dot to indicate the RT already moving towards the Tyrant.

(3) this way it would segway nicely with the following shot after the ion cannon scenes, where we now see the rebel transport and escorts in the middle of the screen moving towards us/ the foreground.   This way we can see what the Tyrant's captain is making a comment on and it links the movement in the Tyrant bridge scene to the following RT and escorts with the ion beam shooting overtop of them.

I also concur on switchng the "Tyrant approaching Hoth" SD with the SD "under the Executor".

REPLY -  The 'alternative' shots are indicating how much either Stardestroyer moves during the approx. 2 seconds that they could potentially replace.  They show the very start of the shot, and the very end of the shot in both cases.  I did mention the 'JEDI' one is the very last 2 seconds of what is originally an approximately 18 seconds long shot of it in total.  That end of it happens to be my favourite bit of the element, where we see the 'dome' detail underneath, as it passes.

 

When the introductory 'scroll' ends, and we 'pan down' to the single Stardestroyer dispatching 'Probes', we can see two brown 'Planets' (or 'Moons'?), one big one, and a small one.  We can also see a blue 'Planet' (is this the same one that's seen during Luke's departure from Hoth?), which is a medium-sized one compared to the other two.

It's difficult to judge how far the 'Probe' travels from the Stardestroyer that launches it, but these 'Planets' (or 'Moons') could be in a somewhat nearby proximity of the Hoth Planet too, which reinforces the notion that some extra nearby / or distant elements such as these, could be added to one or two of the other Hoth Planet 'angles' that we see....  There seems to be an abundance of these in the vicinity of the Hoth Planet, overall.

Well, I always thought that the SD in the very beginning (the post-scroll SD) was extremely far away from Hoth, and that the other probots were travelling at hyperspace until they detected a semi-habited world off the beaten path, crash-land, pop out and investigate.  You would still have to either add some moons to the shot showing the probot right before atmospheric entry or delete the moons from the later shots.

Ady: have you considered spicing up the background behind the post-scroll SD?  Considering the similarity between the appearance of Hoth, Dagobah and Bespin (which I think is the one that could be played with the most), maybe you could replace the rather boring backdrop with something else - a nebula or something.  There are plenty of Hubble images to pull from.

REPLY -  I'm always in 2 minds about just how close to the vicinity of the Hoth Planet, that Stardestroyer is in the first place....  I don't think it's right beside it, but it could be in sight of it....

I remember seeing that Adywan doesn't like the idea of messing about with the 'Star Wars'-like 'starfields' too much.  I'd prefer not to see them messed with too much either.

 

Going back to that screenshot above , it comes approx. 55 seconds (and I always look on it as 'real-time') after we last saw the Falcon blast away from the Rebel Base -  just something to think about Adywan, but would we perhaps still see a small 'Hoth Planet' element receding away somewhere in the distance behind?  (the Falcon and the 'Avenger' might have 'veered-away' from a direct 'line-of-sight', at some point during this intervening time, of course.  Who knows?)  But if you DO look on them as having taken a roughly 'line-of-site' route from where the Falcon blasted off from....do you think it would be good to STILL see a hint of it during the shot?

I agree with you here Imp Fighter: to actually see Hoth receding in the background (and have the stars slowly moving towards the back to help give both the Falcon and the SD some increased sense of speed), as well as the rest of the Imperial Fleet would be a fantastic visual (again, keep the Imp Fleet either in the middle ground or background, being that Vader and the rest of the troops would have needed a good 30 minutes to an hour to regroup, board transports and land on their respective ships, while the Avenger and 2 other SDs would have had the opportunity to immediately chase after the Falcon).

It would connect it with the Falcon's escape from Hoth and show an immediacy to the progression of events

Also, I would consider brightening/whitening the Falcon a little bit, to help it look more like the whitish-brown version in ANH but moreso to help it stand out from the similarly greyish SD behind it.

 

REPLY -  I don't know how far from the Hoth Planet (and the rest of the 'Fleet') Adywan will judge the Falcon to be, at this point, but we'll see.  I like the idea of trying to 'differentuate' the colour of the Falcon element, from the Stardestroyer a little more in this shot. 

Thanks for those interesting answers Monroville.  I've commented on a couple of things along the way once again.

By the way, I noticed that you know how to link comments / photos from DIFFERENT posts....  ;)

Monroville said:

Bingowings said:

To illustrate this point I put Vaderious' interior shot roughly in scale into the window slit of this quite close shot of the head (bear in mind it hasn't been adjusted for shade and it hasn't got window glass and the interior shot is still too big).

You can hardly see a thing.

 

I would still prefer something like the above than nothing at all.   ANYTHING to show that this is not just a model with nothing in it.

Sevb32:
It being a viewscreen would be a cool idea too, but even then that would justify a bluish window or something other than a black bar.

Personally, unless a different model is used (something which would benefit the shot generally) I can't see the point of adding a couple of tiny blobs to a pretty bad model shot or a bluish window that clearly doesn't exist within the story's 'reality' (going by the interior shot).

I'd go down the obscurration route myself , it's a large object in a cold atmosphere that would generate all manner of obscuring factors, snow, ice mist, (bizarre as it may sound there is even a form of heat haze which can be seen in sub-zero temperatures) smoke from the battle etc.

If you can't add depth and weight to the object it might be possible to add it to the air surrounding it.

Something like :

Adywan, here's a little extra thing to do with the 'gantry' / 'background' sequence -

In the recent 'duel' shot you previewed, the right-hand section that 'sticks out' from the side of the structure at the very end of the 'gantry', seems to be slightly too close to the rest of it, compared to all the other shots it features in....

The section I'm referring to is seen behind Luke when he steps onto the 'circular' section of the overall structure.  It has a 'rocket-booster'-shaped 'cone' piece at the base of it, which wrongly overlaps the 'circular' section in the 'duel' shot.  In all the other shots (such as the ones shown above), this 'cone' piece is instead positioned very close to the 'circular' section (with a very slight gap between them), and ends just very slightly below it.  ('Freezing' the shot where Vader slices through the 3 'posts' is the best place to see this)

This is no biggie, but since it's a 'fixed-camera' shot, it might be a nice adjustment for you to make. 

adywan said:

Some new shots...

as for the blockade i will be adding a couple of extra stardestroyers to the initial approach and a disabled stardestroyer in the background during Lukes escape but what i was saying was that Luke could easily slip away unchallenged because its just one fighter and a transport did leave just before he escaped so any remaining stardestroyers (which would only be one or two at the most) would be concentrating on the larger ships, so no need to add loads of stardestroyers for that scene. After all Luke is going in a completely different direction than the rebels so he most likely leaves in the opposite direction so you wouldn't see all the disabled stardestroyers which seem to concentrate above the rebel base on the other side of the planet. When the rebel transport escapes the stardestroyer is now firing upon the ships and destroys one x-wing and after the stardestroyer is disabled you see the transport and remaining x-wing jump to hyperspace.

Adywan, I've added this below the post I just made, as a quick comparison to do with that 'gantry' structure thing.  But I've been meaning to say a couple of things about this recent follow-up post of yours anyway -

Firstly, I just wanted to say that having considered your latest thoughts here about this whole Hoth 'blockade' sequence, that I absolutely 'get' your reasoning about the possible immediate actions that Vader takes at the end of the AT-AT battle, as soon as he sees the Millennium Falcon get away from him at the Rebel Base.  And I also agree that this rag-tag Rebel group are NOT actually his main priority at that moment, because he has a far bigger 'agenda' in mind....  And I can see how he would probably concentrate his efforts, AND those of his 'Fleet' Admiral / and Stardestroyer Commanders too, on solely focusing immediately on continuing to go after the Falcon (where he believes Luke is aboard, again), using the current available 'Fleet' Stardestroyers at his disposal to do so.  Luke, and his potential capabilities ARE the most important matter he focuses on, during 'Empire'....  And that's what the introductory 'scroll' suggests too.

So I certainly see how your explanation about why there is probably an easier, straight-forward passage for Luke off the Hoth Planet at this point, makes perfect sense -  either Vader orders every single one of his Stardestroyers to forget the 'blockade' immediately, once he just misses the Falcon....OR he orders the odd one or two to 'mop up' whatever Rebel remnants they can, while he returns to the 'Executor' as quickly as possible, to re-join the search....  And either way, there will be a lot of unattended 'sectors' that Luke and any remaining others, can go off in, as the remainer of the NON-disabled 'Fleet' (which wasn't comprised of a huge number to begin with) is being immediately taken up with Vader's on-going pursuit elsewhere, now....

That certainly works for me.  I've been one of those who have been hopeful that you would incorporate a bit MORE 'Fleet'action / numbers along the way in the past, but as far as when we get to the point where Vader sees the Falcon escape, I wouldn't want you to feel you should add something extra to the mix here that you really didn't originally intend to.  I see you've confirmed that you WILL put some evidence of a disabled Stardestroyer in somewhere during Luke's departure, for him to 'get past safely', and I personally really like the idea of that in ANY shape or manner.  But although I like the concept in general, I do agree it's certainly not a 'must-have' now, because his routes for 'escape' are pretty open-ended now, if we accept the idea behind Vader's immediate next moves when the Falcon gets away.... 

However, it will ALSO certainly be an equally straight-forward 'alternative answer' for the ease of Luke's departure for some, as well as giving a little 'something extra' of interest, visually....so all-in-all, I'm VERY pleased that you are including something along these lines, after all.  Where you decide to place it is not important, as your own judgement is normally so good, part of the fun for me will be eventually seeing where YOU decided to place it, and in what direction, and with what 'movement', if any....  :)

Of course, whatever you decide to do, or not do with the 'Fleet' up until the Falcon escapes, will be interesting to see too!

Onto other things - 

Sevb32 recently thought that 4 'squares' on the 'gantry' floor weren't there anymore.  Well Sevb32, you'll be glad to know that I can see all 5 panels present and correct on my monitor, albeit the shadowing has been nicely improved on that end section, altogether.

gavin77 recently thought I was referring to a 'pre-electrical energy sound' to go with the new electrical ION Cannon blasts....  No. What I was asking, was if Adywan planned on incorporating a subtle hint of a 'build-up' of actual 'arcing electricity' around part of the ION Cannon as it prepared to fire?  And also, if he'd be putting a little of any corresponding 'glow' reflection on the ION Cannon and snow perhaps?  Both of these were very nicely done in the 'mock-up' that vaderious came up with a while ago, and I thought a subtle hint of both would add even more excellence to Adywan's version too.

Adywan, like a few others here, I would really be interested to know what your reasoning was for removing the small, 'distant' Rebel Turret Gun from your excellent ION Cannon shot? -  I always liked it in the way it helped the look of the 'composition' in the shot I thought, and was a good point of reference as far as sense of 'scale' was concerned, as we got to know what a 'real-sized' Turret Gun looked like.  I notice you actually removed a section of the snow 'build-up' at the front base of the Cannon too, along with the whole 'ridge' that was there in the foreground....  I'd have thought that could have still looked great, and would have blended perfectly well with the new 'mountains' in the background.  That's just a trivial thing, and it still looks great, but I'm really curious about your beef with that Turret Gun....  I noticed that DuTwan reckoned he'd never noticed the Turret before, but could totally understand why it was removed.  Maybe he knows your reason, but I don't understand it yet.  I hope you'll let us in on that.  Did you just think it was located in a position that it shouldn't have been?

I see it looks like you are going for definate ORANGE 'horizontal' lines along the surrounding 'Vane' wall, instead of the red option then?  Great stuff!

And I want to echo what was said about the Vader helmet that is seen now.  Looks fantastic! 

Finally, I'd also REALLY like for you to answer those few questions that were recently posed by TheBoost on page 253.  Fingers crossed for that.  :)

ImperialFighter said:

adywan said:

Some new shots...

as for the blockade i will be adding a couple of extra stardestroyers to the initial approach and a disabled stardestroyer in the background during Lukes escape but what i was saying was that Luke could easily slip away unchallenged because its just one fighter and a transport did leave just before he escaped so any remaining stardestroyers (which would only be one or two at the most) would be concentrating on the larger ships, so no need to add loads of stardestroyers for that scene. After all Luke is going in a completely different direction than the rebels so he most likely leaves in the opposite direction so you wouldn't see all the disabled stardestroyers which seem to concentrate above the rebel base on the other side of the planet. When the rebel transport escapes the stardestroyer is now firing upon the ships and destroys one x-wing and after the stardestroyer is disabled you see the transport and remaining x-wing jump to hyperspace.

 

Adywan, I've added this below the post I just made, as a quick comparison to do with that 'gantry' structure thing. But I've been meaning to say a couple of things about this recent follow-up post of yours anyway -

Firstly, I just wanted to say that having considered your latest thoughts here about this whole Hoth 'blockade' sequence, that I absolutely 'get' your reasoning about the possible immediate actions that Vader takes at the end of the AT-AT battle, as soon as he sees the Millennium Falcon get away from him at the Rebel Base. And I also agree that this rag-tag Rebel group are NOT actually his main priority at that moment, because he has a far bigger 'agenda' in mind.... And I can see how he would probably concentrate his efforts, AND those of his 'Fleet' Admiral / and Stardestroyer Commanders too, on solely focusing immediately on continuing to go after the Falcon (where he believes Luke is aboard, again), using the current available 'Fleet' Stardestroyers at his disposal to do so. Luke, and his potential capabilities ARE the most important matter he focuses on, during 'Empire'.... And that's what the introductory 'scroll' suggests too.

So I certainly see how your explanation about why there is probably an easier, straight-forward passage for Luke off the Hoth Planet at this point, makes perfect sense - either Vader orders every single one of his Stardestroyers to forget the 'blockade' immediately, once he just misses the Falcon....OR he orders the odd one or two to 'mop up' whatever Rebel remnants they can, while he returns to the 'Executor' as quickly as possible, to re-join the search.... And either way, there will be a lot of unattended 'sectors' that Luke and any remaining others, can go off in, as the remainer of the NON-disabled 'Fleet' (which wasn't comprised of a huge number to begin with) is being immediately taken up with Vader's on-going pursuit elsewhere, now....

That certainly works for me. I've been one of those who have been hopeful that you would incorporate a bit MORE 'Fleet'action / numbers along the way in the past, but as far as when we get to the point where Vader sees the Falcon escape, I wouldn't want you to feel you should add something extra to the mix here that you really didn't originally intend to. I see you've confirmed that you WILL put some evidence of a disabled Stardestroyer in somewhere during Luke's departure, for him to 'get past safely', and I personally really like the idea of that in ANY shape or manner. But although I like the concept in general, I do agree it's certainly not a 'must-have' now, because his routes for 'escape' are pretty open-ended now, if we accept the idea behind Vader's immediate next moves when the Falcon gets away....

However, it will ALSO certainly be an equally straight-forward 'alternative answer' for the ease of Luke's departure for some, as well as giving a little 'something extra' of interest, visually....so all-in-all, I'm VERY pleased that you are including something along these lines, after all. Where you decide to place it is not important, as your own judgement is normally so good, part of the fun for me will be eventually seeing where YOU decided to place it, and in what direction, and with what 'movement', if any.... :)

Of course, whatever you decide to do, or not do with the 'Fleet' up until the Falcon escapes, will be interesting to see too!

 

Onto other things -

Sevb32 recently thought that 4 'squares' on the 'gantry' floor weren't there anymore. Well Sevb32, you'll be glad to know that I can see all 5 panels present and correct on my monitor, albeit the shadowing has been nicely improved on that end section, altogether.

gavin77 recently thought I was referring to a 'pre-electrical energy sound' to go with the new electrical ION Cannon blasts.... No. What I was asking, was if Adywan planned on incorporating a subtle hint of a 'build-up' of actual 'arcing electricity' around part of the ION Cannon as it prepared to fire? And also, if he'd be putting a little of any corresponding 'glow' reflection on the ION Cannon and snow perhaps? Both of these were very nicely done in the 'mock-up' that vaderious came up with a while ago, and I thought a subtle hint of both would add even more excellence to Adywan's version too.

Adywan, like a few others here, I would really be interested to know what your reasoning was for removing the small, 'distant' Rebel Turret Gun from your excellent ION Cannon shot? - I always liked it in the way it helped the look of the 'composition' in the shot I thought, and was a good point of reference as far as sense of 'scale' was concerned, as we got to know what a 'real-sized' Turret Gun looked like. I notice you actually removed a section of the snow 'build-up' at the front base of the Cannon too, along with the whole 'ridge' that was there in the foreground.... I'd have thought that could have still looked great, and would have blended perfectly well with the new 'mountains' in the background. That's just a trivial thing, and it still looks great, but I'm really curious about your beef with that Turret Gun.... I noticed that DuTwan reckoned he'd never noticed the Turret before, but could totally understand why it was removed. Maybe he knows your reason, but I don't understand it yet. I hope you'll let us in on that. Did you just think it was located in a position that it shouldn't have been?

I see it looks like you are going for definate ORANGE 'horizontal' lines along the surrounding 'Vane' wall, instead of the red option then? Great stuff!

And I want to echo what was said about the Vader helmet that is seen now. Looks fantastic!

Finally, I'd also REALLY like for you to answer those few questions that were recently posed by TheBoost on page 253. Fingers crossed for that. :)

 

 

 

 

I just messed with my brightness, contrast, etc monitor, it's a Dell LCD monitor just a year old. I cannot see any panels on the gantry (The five rectangles Vader stands on when he asks Luke to join him") I am talking about not seeing the panels in the shot where they are dueling. I can clearly see the four panels in the shots when Vader is standing on them, so I son't get it. Anyone else see them? If they are there, they must be really faint.

Sevb32, I was meaning the 'duelling' shot.  The 5 panels in total are darker than the SE comparison shot, but that's because it looks like Adywan's done some work on the shadowing of that whole 'floor' area.  You must have a particularly dark monitor screen if you can't see them even on the SE version.  Perhaps you can compare the shots on someone else's sometime. 

Don't worry about it, the DVD will look even better than these screenshots, and the 5 panels will be definately be visible.