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The lightning on Dagobah is a good idea.  Visible from space and maybe during the occasional scene on the ground.

Not too sure about adding major creatures, though.  It seems like it could turn out like the ronto in the ANH:SE.  It feels like it might be too much.  IMO.

Hello,

Just a couple of comments about the last few things we have been talking about.

DAGOBAH:

I think we should keep the original more cloudy shot. It just makes more sense why Luke would crash. In the ROTS shot it wouldn't make sense why he would not land at a place with better weather.

I do like Vaderios's X-Wing through the clouds shot. It adds depth.

As for the X-Wing Crash landing. As you can see from the first shot there is a clear path. So any shots of Luke standing in front of the X-wing have to mirror that.

As for adding spider creatures and slugs to Dagobah, I am not in favor. I like Dagobah the way it is. I think any changes should be subtle and enhancing, like the trees in the back ground, sunbeams cutting through the trees etc....

HOTH ESCAPE:

The Rebel Hoth escape has always kind of annoyed me for one reason. We are lead to believe that the Imperial Fleet establishes a blockade around the planet to catch the rebels escaping. The ion cannon fires, disabling one star destroyer, and then the rebel transport escapes through the hole in the blockade. Luke then pretty much makes his escape like he is on a sunday afternoon drive while the Falcon has to run for its life.

The part that doesn't make sense is that, if a star destroyer was disabled, wouldn't the imperial fleet redistribute itself to now cover the new hole? Why wouldn't the Falcon follow Lukes path out of Hoth? It sure is a lot easier and luke leaves Hoth less than 1 minute after the Falcon does. Personally I think, TPM gets the blockade thing right with forcing the Naboo starcruiser to blast past the Trade Federation ships.

How do we solve this then?

1)Perhaps more disabled Star Destroyers?
2)Have a more exciting escape for Luke?

3)Show that Vader distributes his fleet to chase after the Falcon letting the other rebels go?

Just some thoughts.

Matticon.

i like the naboo blockade idea. after luke escapes, the star destroyers could be forming up and maybe we could be made to feel like noone else manages to escape.

has anyone else suggested that screams could be heard over an intercom as the imps close in.

doubleofive said:

darth_scourge said:

ImperialFighter said:

vaderios said:

Hmm Oups?

-Angel

 

 

The shot on the left is from the '04 DVD and was given the altered BG for the '97 SE. The shot on the right is the BG from the OUT. Clearly someone from Lucas farked up during the SE - unheard of isn't it? I'm sure Ady can clean this up very easily. I like Imperialfighters suggestions for improving the detail on the set.

 

The left shot was added for the SE?  I haven't watched the OUT since 1997, but that doesn't seem right.

Sorry darth_scourge, but I've checked, and doubleofive is right on this. 

These 2 different 'gantry' angles and their respective coloured backdrops are exactly the same as above on the GOUT DVD release too.  Actually both versions get shown more than once during the sequence.

And just another little thing I didn't really notice till I looked at the more vibrantly coloured GOUT version (although it's like watching it through a 'haze' compared to the SE version!), is the fact that the 2 pairs of double red lights at the base of the 'Vane' are unblinking when we first see them, but during the shot showing 3(!) pairs underneath as Luke falls, they DO blink....  So again, some consistency would be nice.

Sojourn said:

ThrowgnCpr said:

well, how would ice react when put into contact with something as hot as a lightsaber?  I think some ice falling would help, but I am sure some would also turn to a gas, and this could create a little cloud.

 

While there's some debate about this (especially with some more recent EU stuff), lightsabers didn't originally give off heat. For example, in Shadows of the Empire (which while EU, was a media campaign by Lucas set between ESB and ROTJ), when Luke is building his lightsaber, and he tests it for the first time, he holds the blade right next to his hand to see if it gives off any heat, stating that if it did, there would be something wrong with it. At the same time, lightsabers have been seen to make burn marks when cutting into things, melting the metal of blast doors in TPM, etc. They only sometimes cause steam/smoke when coming in contact with flesh (and therefore moisture). As you can see, accounts are inconsistent, but there's no definite proof from the films that a lightsaber generates heat, or that when coming into contact with moisture, that it would create steam (the way a red-hot piece of metal would, for example). One could even argue (and some SW books have) that a lightsaber would actually short out when coming into contact with water, since it's an energy beam, not a physical object.

 

Also, on the topic of radio drama dialogue: I really liked what ady did with the Biggs line in ANH:R, but as with everything else in this edit, we should be cautious about adding stuff just for the sake of adding it, or because we can. For example, while adding that line from the beginning of the duel might make it more "complete", it doesn't necessarily work from a character/story perspective, at least not for me. That moment is such a wonderfully ominous one, with Vader appearing at the top of the stairs, completely in control of the situation. Luke giving a snappy, bordering-on-flippant response undermines the emotional impact of the scene, which is rooted in the fear that Vader instills. Anyway, those are just my thoughts -- what do you think?

 

Take care,

Sojourn

The 2D Clone Wars shows a lightsaber actually boiling the water around it underwater but again that isn't canon.

Octorox said:

Sojourn said:

ThrowgnCpr said:

well, how would ice react when put into contact with something as hot as a lightsaber?  I think some ice falling would help, but I am sure some would also turn to a gas, and this could create a little cloud.

 

While there's some debate about this (especially with some more recent EU stuff), lightsabers didn't originally give off heat. For example, in Shadows of the Empire (which while EU, was a media campaign by Lucas set between ESB and ROTJ), when Luke is building his lightsaber, and he tests it for the first time, he holds the blade right next to his hand to see if it gives off any heat, stating that if it did, there would be something wrong with it. At the same time, lightsabers have been seen to make burn marks when cutting into things, melting the metal of blast doors in TPM, etc. They only sometimes cause steam/smoke when coming in contact with flesh (and therefore moisture). As you can see, accounts are inconsistent, but there's no definite proof from the films that a lightsaber generates heat, or that when coming into contact with moisture, that it would create steam (the way a red-hot piece of metal would, for example). One could even argue (and some SW books have) that a lightsaber would actually short out when coming into contact with water, since it's an energy beam, not a physical object.

 

Also, on the topic of radio drama dialogue: I really liked what ady did with the Biggs line in ANH:R, but as with everything else in this edit, we should be cautious about adding stuff just for the sake of adding it, or because we can. For example, while adding that line from the beginning of the duel might make it more "complete", it doesn't necessarily work from a character/story perspective, at least not for me. That moment is such a wonderfully ominous one, with Vader appearing at the top of the stairs, completely in control of the situation. Luke giving a snappy, bordering-on-flippant response undermines the emotional impact of the scene, which is rooted in the fear that Vader instills. Anyway, those are just my thoughts -- what do you think?

 

Take care,

Sojourn

The 2D Clone Wars shows a lightsaber actually boiling the water around it underwater but again that isn't canon.

 

True, but I'd say that Episode I has some much more definite proof that even if there is no heat in the air around them (eg: Shadows)  then there is definitely heat in them.  Anyone remember the scene where Qui-Gon sticks his lightsaber in the blast door and the door starts to turn molten?  That seems like enough proof to me, and very canon.

On the topic of lightsabers, the only thing I liked more in the PT trilogy was the lightsabers. They look better and DEFINITLY sound better. Did anyone notice how the lightsaber clashes in the OT are quite loud and static-sounding while the clashes in the PT are more laser-esque? Especially in AOTC, they sound so good in that one for some reason.

They do sound pretty sweet in the PT, not going to argue, but I always like the look of the sabers in the OT better.  The old rotoscoping techniques they used made the image jump a little bit which I feel makes them look a little more electric and much more volitile.  The ones in the PT were colourful, but seemed just a little lifeless in comparison.

Well, I guess what it comes down to is opinion. I find them to be a little thick & too flickery in the OT. and the color of course.

I have a feeling Ady will release the HD version as an AVCHD similar to his restored SE HD releases (dual-layer DVD that works on Blu-Ray players and PS3's) in addition to the higher-bitrate MKV.

I could be wrong, though.

TheTome said:

Octorox said:

Sojourn said:

ThrowgnCpr said:

well, how would ice react when put into contact with something as hot as a lightsaber?  I think some ice falling would help, but I am sure some would also turn to a gas, and this could create a little cloud.

 

While there's some debate about this (especially with some more recent EU stuff), lightsabers didn't originally give off heat. For example, in Shadows of the Empire (which while EU, was a media campaign by Lucas set between ESB and ROTJ), when Luke is building his lightsaber, and he tests it for the first time, he holds the blade right next to his hand to see if it gives off any heat, stating that if it did, there would be something wrong with it. At the same time, lightsabers have been seen to make burn marks when cutting into things, melting the metal of blast doors in TPM, etc. They only sometimes cause steam/smoke when coming in contact with flesh (and therefore moisture). As you can see, accounts are inconsistent, but there's no definite proof from the films that a lightsaber generates heat, or that when coming into contact with moisture, that it would create steam (the way a red-hot piece of metal would, for example). One could even argue (and some SW books have) that a lightsaber would actually short out when coming into contact with water, since it's an energy beam, not a physical object.

 

Also, on the topic of radio drama dialogue: I really liked what ady did with the Biggs line in ANH:R, but as with everything else in this edit, we should be cautious about adding stuff just for the sake of adding it, or because we can. For example, while adding that line from the beginning of the duel might make it more "complete", it doesn't necessarily work from a character/story perspective, at least not for me. That moment is such a wonderfully ominous one, with Vader appearing at the top of the stairs, completely in control of the situation. Luke giving a snappy, bordering-on-flippant response undermines the emotional impact of the scene, which is rooted in the fear that Vader instills. Anyway, those are just my thoughts -- what do you think?

 

Take care,

Sojourn

The 2D Clone Wars shows a lightsaber actually boiling the water around it underwater but again that isn't canon.

 

True, but I'd say that Episode I has some much more definite proof that even if there is no heat in the air around them (eg: Shadows)  then there is definitely heat in them.  Anyone remember the scene where Qui-Gon sticks his lightsaber in the blast door and the door starts to turn molten?  That seems like enough proof to me, and very canon.

 

I seem to recall someone saying at Lucasfilm that during a rainy battle scene you would see rain drops sizzle on the lightsaber blade..... It never happened in ep. 2 like it was supposed to, but did wind up on the Clone Wars series. So in a way it was ALMOST canon.

In literal terms, wasn't the 2D Clone Wars series canon? The fact that it sets up the beginning of III seems like it should be.

IMO, the 2D series should be cannon and the 3D one should be EU. Also, one jedi uses his lightsaber underwater in the 2D one for like the whole episode. I forget the Jedis name but he's the green alien one who gets killed by Palpatine right quick in ROTS. He can breath underwater I guess.

ladyferry said:

darthmunky said:

IMO, the 2D series should be cannon and the 3D one should be EU. Also, one jedi uses his lightsaber underwater in the 2D one for like the whole episode. I forget the Jedis name but he's the green alien one who gets killed by Palpatine right quick in ROTS. He can breath underwater I guess.

Ladies and gentlemen - Kit Fisto...

 

It does sound like a porn name.

HOTH ESCAPE:

One thing that always bothered me, Luke blows up the AT-AT and then the next screen he is getting in his X-wing to go to Dagobah?

Wouldnt he be surrounded by stormtroopers? And how does he get to his X-wing and the other rebels without having resistance from the Empire attack force?

There weren't any Imperial troops on the ground out there. they stayed in the walkers

In George Lucas opinion, the 3D Clone Wars series is canon, and the 2D is not. I know that doesn't matter to most of you who have decided your opinions trump the guy who made all of this. But it's true to those of us that have been able to keep some perspective, and realize that although everything George has done isn't in line with everything all of us might have imagined, it's still his story, and his final say at the end of the day. 

Deckard2 said:

HOTH ESCAPE:

One thing that always bothered me, Luke blows up the AT-AT and then the next screen he is getting in his X-wing to go to Dagobah?

Wouldnt he be surrounded by stormtroopers? And how does he get to his X-wing and the other rebels without having resistance from the Empire attack force?

Deckard2, I'll have a go at how I've always liked to view this one, judging by the actual onscreen sequence of events -

We only see 5 AT-AT's (and then a following AT-ST - or is it 2 different ones?) as they approach from only one general direction towards the extensive Rebel Base / and it's Power Generators onscreen.  Each of these AT-AT's is carrying a small contingent of Infantry snowtroopers inside of them, as the AT-AT's move ever-closer to their target, which turns out to be quite heavily defended by snowspeeders and various Rebel firepower.  (I've always looked on all the various action and scenes in the battle as happening in 'real-time', by the way)  

Eventually, General Veers tells Vader's hologram "You may start your landing" and that he has reached the main Power Generators and that he'll have the Shield down in moments.  (I always think that he says 'moments' to Vader, as his AT-AT is almost near enough at this point where Vader contacts him for a progress report, but not quite close enough yet to properly destroy it immediately)   So approx. 2 minutes later into the battle, General Veers orders an Infantry snowtrooper beside him that "All troops will debark for ground assault", as he prepares to target the main Generator at this point.  Then approx. 50 seconds after that, Luke crashes his Snowspeeder.  (All the debarked AT-AT troops are already off and running towards getting into the Base from a DIFFERENT direction by now) Then approx. 50 seconds later after this, we hear an announcement saying "Imperial troops have entered the base".  (The AT-AT troops have succeeded)  Then approx. 45 seconds later, we see a now on-foot Luke blow up an AT-AT.  Eventually, approx. another 30 seconds after this, General Veers finally blows up the Generators. (Another thing that has probably held up his firing at the Generators a little sooner during these few minutes, is that he has probably had to contend with a lot of defending firepower aiming towards the AT-AT windscreen, which could be a weak point)

During this time before the Generators are blown up, I like to believe that the amount of snowtroopers that quickly debarked from the AT-AT's BEFORE Luke crashed (unseen by us during Luke's still ongoing snowspeeder action, probably all rapidly 'rappeling' down to the ground), were at this point concentrating on heading off in a DIFFERENT direction alongside the EXTENSIVE Base, to infiltrate it, rather than go straight ahead towards the strong Rebel firepower we see in front of the portion of the Base we see onscreen.  And Vader who lands just afterwards (when the Shield is finally down) has linked up with some of these AT-AT troops who first stormed the inside of the Base on ANOTHER section of the Base, compared to the portion defended onscreen....with the intention to capture Leia, Luke and the other ringleaders that Vader thought might be inside there.  

(However, I can never decide if the majority of the Rebel troops and Snowspeeder pilots are taken up with the AT-AT attack on that particular section of the Base while this separate attack is going on....OR....if there were an equal amount of defending Rebels and firepower on this other side also....that just couldn't stop Vader and his snowtroopers from breaching the Base....)

Either way, we don't see hundreds of snowtroopers onscreen, just a few with Vader, and they have concentrated on getting at whoever's inside of the Base first, during the time that we see Luke blow up an AT-AT on the outside, before he then heads for an as-yet-unassailed position near one side of the extensive Base, where the rest of the retreating Rebels are leaving from, and where his X-Wing awaits too.

It's good luck that Luke just happens to be now outside of the Base at this point, at a distance away from Vader and his snowtroopers, as he makes his way to where the the last of the Transports and his X-Wing are positioned (referred to as 'the south slope' by Leia who ordered some troops to protect the fighters there, earlier).  No doubt Vader and his snowtroopers (or the AT-AT's, if able to access this area) would have reached this position very shortly afterwards too....and R2D2 was right to be agitated.

Maybe this can help a little. 

Thanks for your detailed reply, this definitely helps!

So the Empire's main attack is striking the base from the North and the escaping rebels are located on the South side of the base. The Shield generator and Command center are both located on the North side. I did notice that when luke falls from the AT-AT after he throws the grenade you can see a AT-ST parallel to him and another AT-AT behind him. Remember too that this is after General Veers gave the order to deploy troops. In the book General Veers is killed by a snow speeder crashing into his AT-AT, before he can destory the shield generator.

Luke is a very lucky guy to escape the ground force and the blockage when leaving the planet.

This is a little off topic

So at the end of Star Wars IV Luke and Han are heroes for blowing up the Death Star.(Also they think that Luke could be a jedi) Why would the Rebels risk sending them out on Tauntuan's in dangerous weather conditions and with unknown risks to place sensors and check for signs of life? Wouldnt it make more sense to have them training rookies on how fly different spacecrafts or maybe assisting with repairing existing crafts. I guess that would make for a boring movie.