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adywan said:Why am i being a hypocrite just because i'm removing a spinning starfield? It was because i never really liked the effect and its only ever seen in eps 4 & 5 . they omit it in ROTJ. Please explain yourself as to why this is being hypocritical?

I wouldn't have made that point if you had stopped with "I never really liked the effect" because your "they omit it in ROTJ" just doesn't reflect what you're doing at all nor does it refelct what Lucas and his team were doing either. I don't even think you know why the effect wasn't used in RotJ. I do. The effect wasn't used in RotJ because the circumstances of the shots in question are different, not because they 'didn't like it'. It's the same reason why a lot of warp speed effect shots from Star Trek are different. If they didn't like the effect, why didn't they remove it from SW and ESB? Oh, but wait. The prequels didn't use it either so that's 2 our of 6! But you know what the prequels also didn't use? The stretching starfield. Why aren't you getting rid of that? Makes as much sense given the logic behind your reasoning which is pretty much "if it's not in all the movies, it's gone".

What I find silly about your argument is that you have openly stated you don't even like Return of the Jedi as much as the first two, even regarding Empire Strikes Back to be the closest thing to a perfect Star Wars movie. Yet you want to change a special effect from it to match the one that everyone including yourself say is the weakest of the three. That is a pretty weak reason considering that you've also said that RotJ is going to receive the most changes and edits you've done on the Star Wars movies so far.

And where the hypocrisy comes in to play is when you talk about how you're going to handle the prequels. You say that you're going to try and implement much more of the original trilogy content into the prequels, such as voices and effects. Why not implement that stretching stars through the cockpit view and have the spinning star fied occur in the prequels? That would be cool because the original Star Wars had it as did Empire. But no, you're using the weak and ugly RotJ as a reason to remove the effect. If Return of the Jedi and the prequels are such a low point, why are you looking at them as a basis for what the effects should look like when it's for the wrong reasons?

And I say it's for the wrong reasons because I actually asked starwars.com that very question. I asked why the prequels didn't have the stretching star field effects like in the original trilogy, and Lucas (Yep. It was him!) actually responded saying that he wanted the Falcon's escape to be unique and exciting where as all the other effect shots from RotJ and the prequels didn't involve the same set of circumstances. And what two movies have the Falcon escaping something through Hypserspace? Star Wars and Empire. What movies don't feature Hyperspace as a means of escaping something? RotJ and all of the prequels. It's all circumstantial and it's a pity that it's gone now from your edits.

Lucas didn't use the spinning starfield effect in RotJ or the prequels because they didn't need it, not because they didn't like it. Need proof? Watch any official release of Star Wars. They're still there even with all the other alterations.

Anyway, the camera arrived today. the 25p suffers the same problem as the NTSC 24p setting. Although it isn't really jerky the picture does tend to blur quite badly in any fast motion. There are a hell of a lot of settings on this baby to learn. The image stabilisation is amazing and so much better than i have ever seen on any other camcorder. The picture quality is astounding. I don't know why all the reviews said that its crap in low light conditions and its way too noisy. i just adjusted a few settings and i get no problem whatsoever and i can even film in almost pitch blackness and it still focuses perfectly.

thanks guys. Now i need to start all the model building

 

Try playing around with raising the shutter speed on the camera, the faster the shutter, the less motion blur, although you'll need to find a nice balance between the extra light you'll need for the exposure and avoiding the "stobe" effect ala saving private ryan

Jeyl said:

adywan said:Why am i being a hypocrite just because i'm removing a spinning starfield? It was because i never really liked the effect and its only ever seen in eps 4 & 5 . they omit it in ROTJ. Please explain yourself as to why this is being hypocritical?

I wouldn't have made that point if you had stopped with "I never really liked the effect" because your "they omit it in ROTJ" just doesn't reflect what you're doing at all nor does it refelct what Lucas and his team were doing either. I don't even think you know why the effect wasn't used in RotJ. I do. The effect wasn't used in RotJ because the circumstances of the shots in question are different, not because they 'didn't like it'. It's the same reason why a lot of warp speed effect shots from Star Trek are different. If they didn't like the effect, why didn't they remove it from SW and ESB? Oh, but wait. The prequels didn't use it either so that's 2 our of 6! But you know what the prequels also didn't use? The stretching starfield. Why aren't you getting rid of that? Makes as much sense given the logic behind your reasoning which is pretty much "if it's not in all the movies, it's gone".

What I find silly about your argument is that you have openly stated you don't even like Return of the Jedi as much as the first two, even regarding Empire Strikes Back to be the closest thing to a perfect Star Wars movie. Yet you want to change a special effect from it to match the one that everyone including yourself say is the weakest of the three. That is a pretty weak reason considering that you've also said that RotJ is going to receive the most changes and edits you've done on the Star Wars movies so far.

And where the hypocrisy comes in to play is when you talk about how you're going to handle the prequels. You say that you're going to try and implement much more of the original trilogy content into the prequels, such as voices and effects. Why not implement that stretching stars through the cockpit view and have the spinning star fied occur in the prequels? That would be cool because the original Star Wars had it as did Empire. But no, you're using the weak and ugly RotJ as a reason to remove the effect. If Return of the Jedi and the prequels are such a low point, why are you looking at them as a basis for what the effects should look like when it's for the wrong reasons?

And I say it's for the wrong reasons because I actually asked starwars.com that very question. I asked why the prequels didn't have the stretching star field effects like in the original trilogy, and Lucas (Yep. It was him!) actually responded saying that he wanted the Falcon's escape to be unique and exciting where as all the other effect shots from RotJ and the prequels didn't involve the same set of circumstances. And what two movies have the Falcon escaping something through Hypserspace? Star Wars and Empire. What movies don't feature Hyperspace as a means of escaping something? RotJ and all of the prequels. It's all circumstantial and it's a pity that it's gone now from your edits.

Lucas didn't use the spinning starfield effect in RotJ or the prequels because they didn't need it, not because they didn't like it. Need proof? Watch any official release of Star Wars. They're still there even with all the other alterations.

Yeah but it's only gone from Adywan's version and we don't know what an Adywan ROTJ might look like, he might build a sequence where the Falcon needs to escape in ROTJ and then you could stick a spin on that and in your versions the spin effect would appear in all three of the OT.

That's part of the fun and the point of this game we are participating in, on whatever level we play it.

Ady's versions (when they are all finished) will, I believe, be amazing but it doesn't mean they will be the last word on Star Wars, as long as there are people with the tools and the skills and the ideas, people will continue to add their personal take on these and other films.

So please take your perfectly valid point of view and place it on the Can Anything Be Done To ANH After Adywan? thread :

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Can-anything-else-be-done-to-ANH-after-Adywan/topic/10131/ 

because clearly the spin effect will not appear in these projects.

vaderios said:

I find this pointless. Revisited are Ady's edits so if he said so its over.

 

-Angel

You're right. This is Adywan's edit. If he wants to make changes for himself, that's great! But if he's going to share, I think I have a right to criticize the work he's done. And don't think I just want to label him as Hypocrite. Come on. Good people do bad things sometimes and we still call them good people. I still believe Adywan to be an editing genius who deserves respect.

I'm just a viewer with an opinion.

Lucas had no right to change his mind? I mean I am sure he doesn't even read all his past interviews, heck, over a long time you can forget what you said or thought was originally true. Lucas isn't keeping up with everything he thought of decades ago, nor does he skim thru his old interview transcripts. I wonder if we all wouldn't change our minds about things we created as we grow older, or begin remembering them differently, especially if it became a full blown franchise like SW has become. (I love the new Ion Cannon blast, by the way.)

adywan said:i don't care about proof or any thing else. i don't believe a damn word GL says anymore. He changes what he says all the damn time to try and cover all the cockups he made with the rest of the saga. Just watch early interviews about star wars and then later ones. he changes his story all the time.

Oh, believe me. I know. Just go to rebelscum's forums and look up some of my postings (User: Jeyl) and you'll see I say much of the same. A lot of the posters there treat me as your fans treat me. Saying my opinions are pointless and that what he wants to do with Star Wars is his decision, not ours.  Guess you got as much of a dedicated fanbase as George Does.

And honestly, I meant no offense in regards to the hippocrate remark and I apologize if it was taken as such. I just hope that people here understand that I like that spinning effect just as much as any other old time effect in the movie. It's something that I will miss seeing in your cut.

i'm staying out of this arguement.

btw, have we had anyword on whether or not there'll be more ships evacuating the

planet? will we see any as luke walks to his xwing and some ion cannon shots in the

background? during the first transport, there should be more ships. however, i do recall

one of the officers saying, "two fighters against a star destroyer?"

Jeyl said:

adywan said:i don't care about proof or any thing else. i don't believe a damn word GL says anymore. He changes what he says all the damn time to try and cover all the cockups he made with the rest of the saga. Just watch early interviews about star wars and then later ones. he changes his story all the time.

Oh, believe me. I know. Just go to rebelscum's forums and look up some of my postings (User: Jeyl) and you'll see I say much of the same. A lot of the posters there treat me as your fans treat me. Saying my opinions are pointless and that what he wants to do with Star Wars is his decision, not ours.  Guess you got as much of a dedicated fanbase as George Does.

And honestly, I meant no offense in regards to the hippocrate remark and I apologize if it was taken as such. I just hope that people here understand that I like that spinning effect just as much as any other old time effect in the movie. It's something that I will miss seeing in your cut.

Your views aren't pointless they just belong on this thread as Adywan has let his views known, this thread is just about ESB:R there are other threads where you can freely chat about this topic without bogging this one down needlessly.

well i guess its called star WARS afterall.

star peace would have made a sucky film franchise.:P

adywan said:

Siliconmaster482 said:

sketchrob said:Okay - so, £190 ? OK... but thats it! lol Please let this be the camera bro, I'm gonna have to take on some extra freelance for this one lol. Funds have been sent.

 

I think we can all give a great thanks to you, man. Amazing contributions. Let's hope Ady can get the camera he wants with the added funds.

Yes i really do this we should all thank sketchrob for what he has done here. the funds should all clear within the next 24 hours and the second they do i will be ordering the camera. I'd better get to work on finishing the wampa puppet and all the other stuff now. I'd alos like to say a huge thanks to everyone else that donated. This project would have stalled without you guys

Well i've also been doing some more of the fixes to ESB:R. So far today i have fixed:

1> When Luke knocks Vader off the ledge of the carbon chamber there are a couple of gaffes in this one. As Vader falls and goes off screen you can see a rod wobbling which looks like it could the lightsaber pole bobbing up. Also as lukes sabre is disengaged you can see what looks to be a stage hand taking the saber from mark hamill and swapping it for the hilt without the pole. Then when Luke jumps down his head bobs back up in the last few frames. these have all been fixed

2> fixed the very noticeable jump cut as the gate closes behind luke as he exits the tunnel in the vane.

3> (see below) fixed the bad composite job done by ILM for the SE where the gangs shadows are transparent as they run through cloud city in the new SE shot. I've also given the tiny rail a greater hight. health and safety. lol

It looks much better, Ady, but any chance you could raise the height of the buildings behind the rail along with the railing? The skyline and exposed windows of the central building in the 2004 version look better.

Entropy Ink said:

It looks much better, Ady, but any chance you could raise the height of the buildings behind the rail along with the railing? The skyline and exposed windows of the central building in the 2004 version look better.

 

Hmm- interesting point, I hadn't noticed that before. It looks like Ady already moved/stretched the matte to the left- I wonder if he can also change it so we can still see the buildings. Either way, no big issue for me.

The interior of the space slug with retractable teeth, and I think there's at least one other one that I forgot.

Siliconmaster482 said:

Entropy Ink said:

It looks much better, Ady, but any chance you could raise the height of the buildings behind the rail along with the railing? The skyline and exposed windows of the central building in the 2004 version look better.

 

Hmm- interesting point, I hadn't noticed that before. It looks like Ady already moved/stretched the matte to the left- I wonder if he can also change it so we can still see the buildings. Either way, no big issue for me.

Well in addition to it being a more pleasing city silhouette, it would be a heavier visual in the upper left helping to sell the railing as taller and sturdier.

feeling lonely here... :(