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Post #346364

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda
Parent topic
Puggo GRANDE - 16mm restoration (Released)
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Date created
22-Feb-2009, 12:23 PM
Spaced Ranger said:

BTW, "telecine" is film's 24fps converted to video's 30fps using one of various frame or field duplicating techniques. MovieStuff projector output is single frame in film format (24fps). In this non-telecined state, it is perfectly suitable for DVD (with added pull-down flag for the DVD player).

Thanks for the clarification!  Yes I was planning to use the pulldown flag, as I had done with the 8mm Puggo Edition.

BTW #2, the "anamorphic" format is optically squeezed image for optical expansion during projection. It is perfectly suitable for DVD (with added anamorphic flag for the DVD player to letterbox for 4:3 TV, or widen for 16:9 TV).

This shows how little I know... I didn't even know there was an anamorphic flag for use in DVD encoding.  Sounds like I will want to use it too!

Examination of your frame captures shows a noticeable color fringing. This is due to the quality of your camcorder lens? Double-checking the MovieStuff website samples shows similar fringing, only not as pronounced. If you don't mind mentioning, what camcorder are you using? Are you capturing in hi-def (note that 16mm resolution is greater than our present, consumer hi-def standard)? Perhaps you should check with MovieStuff if something may be done to minimize fringing with your equipment. Failing a solution there, it would be useful if someone has a de-prism filter for AviSynth.

Yes I am aware of the color "fringing".  I think it is a product of the camcorder I am using, which is a Sony TRV-900.  I am not capturing hi-def.  I know that 16mm has higher definition than consumer video formats, however this film is so rough (there is heavy grain, tons of scratches, spots, dropouts, fading, and - get this - even hairs on the borders that were printed into the film!), that I don't really see the point in investing in an upgraded camera to achieve a pristine capture of a bunch of fur balls.  There comes a point of diminishing returns.

Is there a deprism filter for AviSynth?  Yes, that might be useful here.

Does your new expanded film-gate allow the 16mm stock to be captured edge to edge (including sprocket holes and optical soundtrack)? That might be helpful if there is an film-optical-reader filter for AviSynth (optical sound without the projector amp noise!

Yes, and I just finished re-capturing the film including the frame borders and a little bit of the sprocket holes.  My intent was to possibly use that for stabilization, but whether or not that is possible, it does ensure that I am always getting the entire frame. I haven't posted any screen grabs or clips from this latest capture, but I'll try to get those up in a couple of days.

Note that the "entire frame" here does not equate to the entire frame in the original 35/70mm film.  The 16mm film is a bit cropped.

A film-optical reader filter for AviSynth???  That sounds ridiculously difficult.  My hats off to anyone who accomplishes that.