AxiaEuxine said:
I have never laughed at anyone for their opinions in this board, ever! No matter how much I disagreed with them. EVER!
Ok. But you have told us that we shouldn't be criticising and complaining. And you need to understand that is as offensive to many of us as laughing seems to be to you.
AxiaEuxine said: I am not a TFN Fangirl, I dont like those forums becuase its full of kids...I perfer talking with people somewhere around my own age. And Im sorry I got you irked, as Ive said many times before I just want to share my love of what is still a fantastic franchise with someone. All my posts stem from that.
Well, you have to remember that many of us here don't feel it's still a fantastic franchise. If you're posting on this site you have to tolerate that.
AxiaEuxine said: Apparently Im gonna argue with each and every one of you about it.
Well, many of us feel pretty strongly about this.
AxiaEuxine said:I submit that my finding value in that which so many others do not is enough evidence of my open mind.
Well, what you keep ignoring is that so many others DO find value (I don't know how) in that stuff. Your opinion is not the minority opinion you think it is.
I just see (for the most part) older SW fans not giving the newer stuff any chance. Youll watch it but it seems to me that you've already made up your minds to hate it...
We've given it plenty chances. Personally I gave each prequel film a chance. After AOTC I expected ROTS to be pretty bad, but I still gave it a chance and it cheated me by being even worse than AOTC.
Let me put it this way to you. Do you watch a new clone wars episode and say "Yeah more Star Wars!" or do you say :I hope this one doesnt suck"?
Neither. The new Clone Wars show isn't Star Wars, but it's better than the last two prequels. I don't expect episodes to be awful. I don't expect them to be Star Wars either. I give them a chance to do their own thing and I take them as what they are. I like some aspects, dislike others. You should note that on the thread for it here the show had multiple passionate defenders.
But if somebody did say "I hope this one doesn't suck" that wouldn't mean they weren't giving it a chance. Not giving it a chance would be going into it with "I hope this one sucks" or "No matter what this one is like I will bash it". Hoping it doesn't suck is hoping it won't be bad, which is allowing for it to not be bad, which is giving it a chance. The person who hopes it doesn't suck presumably hopes it will be good. They are not set against recognizing it as good if it is good. As such they are giving it a chance. After AOTC was so bad I expected the next film to be as bad, but I went into it ready to accept it as whatever it turned out to be. As it turned out, it was still rather hard to accept how bad it actually turned out to be. To this day ROTS's carefully contrived awfulness still amazes me. It blows my mind that Lucas managed to make the film so bad. But had it turned out good I would have been happy to embrace it.
We've got good reason to expect new stuff to be crap, but that doesn't mean we don't give it a chance to be better than that.
You seem to be stereotyping our thinking and basing your interpretation of our thinking on simplistic derogatory interpretations. You should consider that maybe we don't fit into your idea of us.
C3PX said:TheBoost said:
I think I tend to agree that the PT hate is a viscous cycle. It seems to me that more people didn't totally hate the PT until a while after it came out. Partly this could be personal reflection, as the "OHMYGOD ITS STARWARS!" vibe wore off, and part of it might be the cycle of internet bitching honing disapointment of the films into a bitter dagger of snark filled hate.I feel it seems some people hate the PT because it is the "in" thing that all the cool kids are doing. I feel this way because I could have sworn there was a time when I was a bit of an outcast among my circle of friends who like SW, because I didn't enjoy AOTC at all, while they thought it was a million times better than TPM. When I'd say it TPM was a lot better, they'd call me nuts. Now it really seems most of them tend to agree with me that AOTC is the weakest of the PT.
The question is, is this change of opinion a shift to follow the more popular views and be in the "in" crowd? Or can it be attributed to AOTC not holding up well over multiple viewings?
Personally, I'd give my friends and people like them the benefit of the doubt and go with the "not holding up well over multiple viewings" explaination. I think there was also a big movement from, "Wow, ROTS was downright amazing!" to "Well, at least it was a little better than AOTC..." for the same reason.
I don't know, it seems to me that among internet fans at least, PT worship is the in thing. After all, TFN is a huge site with a massive amount of posters. You get people coming to this site who ran into trouble on other sites for criticising Lucas's more recent work. If our view was so much the in thing that wouldn't be happening.
As for AOTC being the worst of the prequels, I don't agree. AOTC was bad, but ROTS was way worse. Basically each prequel was worse than the last one. I went into each prequel with expectations based on the previous film and was disappointed each time. I mean, if there was a Nobel prize for bad filmmaking, George would really have earned it for ROTS. That was just amazing in the different ways it managed to be bad. Even in things like making the people blend into the background too much and lighting some scenes to distract from the characters. Everything seemed to be done wrong. It was like George had a long list of things to screw up, to make sure he screwed up everything, and then went through the list carefully ticking off each one.