AxiaEuxine said:Vaderisnothayden said:If anybody's not thinking for themselves it's the people who uncriticially swallow whatever crap Lucas puts out without raising objection.
Nooo your just a bitter, jaded, Star Wars...ex-star wars fan. Like I recently said I cant say oh I like this but not that becuase every time I post something you'll all throw that back in my face. And the Prequels ARE good movies FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!!!
Ex-fan? No, I'm a fan of Star Wars, the real Star Wars. Being fed up with the crap being passed off as Star wars doesn't make me an "ex" fan.
And the Prequels ARE good movies FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!!!
Do you think if you shout that loud enough it'll somehow make it true? I don't know how anybody in their right mind can consider AOTC and ROTS to be good movies.
Everything you haters bash the prequels and Lucas for is present in the original trilogy, bad acting, childish plots, gaping plot holes and ridiculous characters. All there in the OT boys and girls. This is why I am so completely mystified by your hatred of the prequels. It makes no sense. Its hypocritical.
This is a common nonsense argument thrown up by prequel worshippers. Whatever faults the OT has in common with the PT are FAR worse in the PT. What we've got in the OT is films that work and work very well. That is not true of the PT.
Not to mention the prequels dont have those now painful to look at model work and matte paintings. Brilliant for thier time but now just a sign of aged and tired movies, like, apparently most of thier fans. The only thing wrong with the SEs was that enough of the shots that needed updated weren't.
I don't find the model work and matte paintings remotely painful to look at. Can't say the same for the artificial look of the PT though. And why a great work of art needs to be updated I cannot fathom.
I dont want to write inflammatory things
Then why come here to THIS site (a haven for OT lovers persecuted elsewhere on the net) to tell us we're stupid for not liking your precious PT? I'm afraid you've given me the impression that you very much want to write inflammatory things.
But I want to share my favorite thing in the whole world with its fans.
But we're not its fans. We're fans of the OT, not the PT. Most of us.
The prequels are every bit as good as the OT. And in some cases better...PT = 100% ewok free
The prequels are every bit as good as dogs' droppings. The OT is miles ahead. And the ewoks aren't that bad. The PT's use of cartoon characters is far worse.
So let go of this hatred...for once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.
Contrary to Yoda's notions, hatred is sometimes justified.
AxiaEuxine said:TheBoost said:I think the LucasBashing really stems from how he kind of pisses on the fans with his issues over the real versions of the OT. I know it's his personal philosphy of film, but it's kind of a douche bag philosophy. I think the personal distaste fans have garnered for Lucas over the SE/DVD fiasco has also colored their perceptions of the PT, whereas instead of being flawed films by a filmamker we like, they become a slap in the face by someone with 'no respect for the fans.'
EXACTLY!!! (well some of it) Ohhh I didnt get want I wanted for the OT DVDs. Everything Star wars is crap and none of it is good! I hate you all! :::holds breath and crosses arms until he get what he wants from movies that belong to someone else::::
Oh nonsense. Certainly my personal experience is seeing TPM and having mixed feelings and hoping for something at least on that level in AOTC and being massively disappointed by AOTC and then realizing that the remaining prequel would probably be no better than AOTC and thus shite. That was all before the furore over the OT dvds. TPM had its good points but didn't satisfy. AOTC massively disappointed. That's how those two films made me feel on their own, without OT dvds being a factor. I hadn't even switched to dvd at that time so dvd wasn't a big concern for me. And then later ROTS came out and instead of being on a level with AOTC as I expected it was far worse. That's my experience with the PT -repeated disappointment, no "I'm pissed off about the OT thus I won't like these!" I wanted to like the PT. Because if it was no good then we had no good second trilogy for Star Wars. I'd waited since the 80s for the remaining Star Wars films. Of course I wanted them to be good and to like them. And I was cheated. And I quite rightly resented being cheated. We were supposed to get Star Wars films, which we'd waited since the 80s for, and instead we were given crap.
As for the OT films belonging to someone else, would you ever quit with that tired crap. They're classics. They belong to all of us. Not just Lucas.
And give the "cultural signifigance" argument a rest. I would be amazed if any of you actually care about that. You want "your" vision of Star Wars and thats all there is to it. At least be honest. Cultural significance indeed.
I'm not sure what you mean by the cultural significance argument, but some of us do actually care about culture. As for wanting our vision of Star Wars, why shouldn't we, that's the vision of Star Wars that made the legend. Without that version of Star Wars Lucas would never have gotten the chance to make the prequels. We want the Star Wars that made the legend and we have every right to.
To say Lucas had no respect for the fans is utter tripe. Its more accurate to say that Fans have no respect for Lucas.
I can't see why we should respect Lucas, after the things he's done and said. But many fans worship the guy. As for his respect for the fans, I can't say I've felt the respect.
I really dont know why you all continue to bitch about this. As members of this forum you all know how to get hold of rather nice copies of the Original Trilogy in all its OH my Lord these scenes need to be replaced/updated glory.
You don't understand that people might want to complain when something bad is done to something they care about? The GOUT dvds are unsatisfactory to many people. More particularly there's the future to consider. Dvds cease to work after about 15 years. Dvd players will be replaced with blu ray. We need to know that the original films will be put out in future formats, so that we'll be able to watch them 20, 30, 40 years from now. And at present hopes for that look poor. Meanwhile, Lucas has mutilated the films we love and insists on including crap films in the same canon. We have much to complain about.
And don't get me wrong I just want to share my favoritist thing ever with people who feel the same way. I want to discuss the latest episode of the Clone Wars every week but I dont DARE go there. Oh No No. Its so frustrating
If you want to do that there's plenty places on the net you could do that other than the haven for OT lovers and PT/SE haters. And even here you can praise the Clone Wars show if you want to. Many have here. Of course, some people may disagree with you, but surely there's nothing wrong with not everybody agreeing. Unlike certain sites, this site tolerates dissenting opinion. But what I think shouldn't be tolerated is people coming here to tell us we're stupid for not liking the PT or SE or that we shouldn't criticise The Great Works of The Great Lucas.