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Abrams seems to have turn Star Trek into just another Star Wars Rip-off.

Luke:
A farm boy who (thinks) father is killed by the main Villain.
Abrams' Kirk:
A farm boy who father is killed by the main Villain.

Luke:
has a want for a better life.
Anakin:
has a want for a better life.
Abrams' Kirk:
has a want for a better life.

Luke:
Gets show a better life by an old wise man (obi-wan).
Anakin:
Gets show a better life by an old wise man (Qui-Gon).
Abrams' Kirk:
Gets show a better life by an old wise man (Pike).

Luke:
Has dirty Blond and blue eye.
Anakin (ep2):
Has dirty Blond and blue eye.
Abrams' Kirk:
Has dirty Blond and blue eye.

Luke:
has trouble in a bar.
Anakin:
has trouble in a bar.
Abrams' Kirk:
has trouble in a bar.

Luke:
Fights a monster in the snow.
Abrams' Kirk:
Fights a monster in the snow.

Luke:
hangs over a pit with the Villain standing above him.
obi-wan:
hangs over a pit with the Villain standing above him.
Abrams' Kirk:
hangs over a pit with the Villain standing above him.
 
Anakin:
Blonder when he was younger.
Abrams' Kirk:
Blonder when he was younger.

Anakin:
Drove a high speed craft when he was younger.
Abrams' Kirk:
Drove a high speed craft when he was younger.

Anakin:
rides a hover-bixe.
Abrams' Kirk:
rides a motor-bixe.

Anakin:
fights an friend.
Abrams' Kirk:
fights an friend.

Anakin:
was an james dean want-be.
Abrams' Kirk:
was an james dean want-be.

han solo:
Woohoo.
Abrams' Kirk:
Woohoo.
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Darth Maul: villain with an bald head, face taboos and staff weapon.
Nero: villain with an bald head, face taboos and staff weapon.

Darth Maul: kills obi-wan's father-figure (Qui-Gon).
Nero: kills kirk's father.

Darth Vader: uses a large laser weapon shooting down on to a planet.
Nero:  uses a large laser weapon shooting down on to a planet.

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Star wars prequels: Bad Designs by ryan church.

Abrams' Star Trek: Bad Designs by ryan church.

 

Star wars prequels: Bad CGI by ILM.

Abrams' Star Trek: Bad CGI by ILM.

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And so on....
This is just from the two trailers and some plot detail, the movie will more likely have more.
This Film is looking more and more like an Star Wars/Starship Trooper rip-off then a star trek film .

 

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The commercial cost you a reported $3 million. You have the eyes of an entire world of potential ticket-buyers upon you. And you give them … stuff they’ve already seen? Virtually every shot in the "Star Trek" ad had already been glimpsed in trailers, or described in detail by journalists who attended J.J. Abrams’ footage previews a few months back. It leaves movie fans with two possibilities to consider: Either Abrams is too paranoid about spoilers to give us anything else, or all the good stuff is already out.
- MTV
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    There’s nothing particularly exciting or new about the 30 second promo trailer for the new Star Trek film that was broadcast in the midst of the Superbowl. And by that, we mean there’s nothing that we hadn’t really been seen before.

    Interestingly, Paramount is continuing to sell this more as an action movie rather than the latest big screen Star Trek outing, and there are one or two short snippets we hadn’t seen before. But it didn’t get our pulse racing.
    - Den of Geek
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USA Today Ad Meter Movie rating

Year One      6.79
Land of the Lost        6.78
Up      6.74
Race to Witch Mountain        6.38
Star Trek      6.14
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from some comments from trekmovie:

 

It’s not just that he (kirk) says “man”. It’s that he says it like crazy, druggie

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BUCKLE UP!

WOO HOO!

I LIKE THIS SHIP IT’S EXCITING!

C’mon, you can’t help but groan when you hear these lines. And I bet there are plenty more

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 I agree that JJ is annoying as hell.

    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I can’t believe anyone would stick up for JJ. I mean, c’mon people, this is the same guy who wrote Forever Young for Gods sake. He’s probably the luckiest guy in showbiz considering his talent to compensation ratio.

    But we’re all going to see his damn film anyway, aren’t we?

    And ultimately, that’s all he and the studio care about. Us emptying our wallets and pocketbooks on tickets and merch.
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Why is the Abramsprise fireing Star Wars Laser?
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wow, this keeps getting worse. Sorry, it really does.
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Star Trek Vi will be like Gone with The Wind compared to this “Star Trek” movie coming out in May.
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whoa whoa whoa whoa, wait up. THAT’S SAN FRANCISCO? Really? I mean…really? It looks like Coruscant from Star Wars.
They had it perfect TMP.
 Why change it?
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What I mean is that it is of it is for kids but deals with some philosophical/theological topics that may go over their heads. It’s a good movie though.

The second one is even better. It’s called Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. It’s actually a serious movie and very well done and tackles a lot of adult oriented themes such as life/death, growing old, and sacrifice.

Just don’t expect any wicked cool lines that are aimed at The Transformers crowd such as “WOO HOO” or “Buckle up.”

Or my personal favorite “I like this ship! it’s exciting!” *shivers in disgust*
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture. You may have heard of it. It’s totally different that this new Star Trek movie coming out, because well…it’s not made for kids and it really is a human adventure for the soul. You should check it out sometime.’
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I’m sorry, it just looks so childish. Like it’s specifically aimed for kids.
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hy are you talkin’ to me man?” Just makes me mad hearing it., Makes you mad? Makes me VERY VERY NERVOUS!!! I have tried so hard to be accepting of this movie, accepting of the new group of actors, accepting of YES the MANY MANY MANY radical changes of this supposed altered timeline. Guess what this NOT even an altred timeline, because in altered timelines — the “players” remain true to their characters. Kirk saying “man”, are you kidding me? Even a “casual” Star Trek knows better than that. I’ve reviewed the clip six times and still (pardon the pun) CANNOT believe my ears. This isn’t Star Trek — this is “21 Jump Street in the 23rd Century”.
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    You guys are just a bunch of cheerleaders for this film (Anthony, I’m looking at you).

    Promo looks nothing like the shows we know and love… and why is Kirk’s face still bloody on the shuttle from Iowa? So he gets drunk, gets in a fight, and gets invited to the Academy the next day? Doesn’t he at least have to take the SATs or SOMETHING?
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You have to open your wallet to view it, regardless of the mind being open or closed.
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    Big Red Lazer reminded me of:

    Stargate Atlantis: the Replicator’s sattelite weapon.

    Star Trek Enterprise: Xindi planet destroyer, the Verteron array

    (007) Die Another Day: sattelite gun

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HotRod said:

And here's the clip they showed on some sport thing you have over there. Handball I think it's called.

Hahhahahahaaaaa

 

War does not make one great.

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Hunter6 said:

Abrams seems to have turn Star Trek into just another Star Wars Rip-off.

Luke:
A farm boy who (thinks) father is killed by the main Villain.
Abrams' Kirk:
A farm boy who father is killed by the main Villain.

Luke:
has a want for a better life.
Anakin:
has a want for a better life.
Abrams' Kirk:
has a want for a better life.

Luke:
Gets show a better life by an old wise man (obi-wan).
Anakin:
Gets show a better life by an old wise man (Qui-Gon).
Abrams' Kirk:
Gets show a better life by an old wise man (Pike).

Luke:
Has dirty Blond and blue eye.
Anakin (ep2):
Has dirty Blond and blue eye.
Abrams' Kirk:
Has dirty Blond and blue eye.

Luke:
has trouble in a bar.
Anakin:
has trouble in a bar.
Abrams' Kirk:
has trouble in a bar.

Luke:
Fights a monster in the snow.
Abrams' Kirk:
Fights a monster in the snow.

Luke:
hangs over a pit with the Villain standing above him.
obi-wan:
hangs over a pit with the Villain standing above him.
Abrams' Kirk:
hangs over a pit with the Villain standing above him.
 
Anakin:
Blonder when he was younger.
Abrams' Kirk:
Blonder when he was younger.

Anakin:
Drove a high speed craft when he was younger.
Abrams' Kirk:
Drove a high speed craft when he was younger.

Anakin:
rides a hover-bixe.
Abrams' Kirk:
rides a motor-bixe.

Anakin:
fights an friend.
Abrams' Kirk:
fights an friend.

Anakin:
was an james dean want-be.
Abrams' Kirk:
was an james dean want-be.

han solo:
Woohoo.
Abrams' Kirk:
Woohoo.
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Darth Maul: villain with an bald head, face taboos and staff weapon.
Nero: villain with an bald head, face taboos and staff weapon.

Darth Maul: kills obi-wan's father-figure (Qui-Gon).
Nero: kills kirk's father.

Darth Vader: uses a large laser weapon shooting down on to a planet.
Nero:  uses a large laser weapon shooting down on to a planet.

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Star wars prequels: Bad Designs by ryan church.

Abrams' Star Trek: Bad Designs by ryan church.

 

Star wars prequels: Bad CGI by ILM.

Abrams' Star Trek: Bad CGI by ILM.

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And so on....
This is just from the two trailers and some plot detail, the movie will more likely have more.
This Film is looking more and more like an Star Wars/Starship Trooper rip-off then a star trek film .

 

 

 

Wow, so many weird grammatical and spelling choices it make my head hurt...

Okay, I dislike everything about this movie as much as the next guy, but from browsing through those posts, I think some of these guys are freaking out way too much. Going on complaining about spending three million dollars to show us a Super Bowl commercial containing mostly no new footage. Come on, at that point it is obvious that we are to the point of finding everything to pick the movie apart about. Maybe the guy was disappointed that there was little new footage to pick apart. If someone doesn't even like the idea of the movie, why would they be so disappointed at a lack of new footage? At any rate, the point in spending three million USD on a Super Bowl ad is not to do people a favor and show them new footage, it is to promote the film and make people want to go see it. Since such a ridiculous number of Americans are obssessed with this handball sport, just about everybody in the states watches the Super Bowl, which means a hell of a lot more people have now seen an exciting short preview of the upcoming ST movie than they did before the Super Bowl ad. Plenty of people who don't care a thing about ST were likely to perk up and have their attention drawn in by this ad, and were likely to think "Wow! That is Star Trek? I never liked Star Trek, but this movie looks cool!"

Someone in that mess of other posts you posted said this movie was being made for the Transformers crowd. I think that is a rather good way to put it. The movie is being made. It is done. Nothing can be done about this now. It sucks. A sequel to Nemesis, the Romulan war movie, or a whole new Trek taking place farther into the future, or even one taking place between Kirk's era and Picard's would have been a much better. But they feel they have exhusted the ST fanbase, and are looking for fresh blood in the Transformers/SW prequels crowd. This last trailer really reminded me of The Attack of the Clones trailers for some reason. It does feel like an attempt was made to follow their lead as the new style of sci-fi action flick. That is a huge shocker, I used to always argue that the prequel style was one that would never be emulated. Turns out I was wrong.

Anyway, there really isn't much reason to continue on complaining about this. It is a means to no end. Purhaps the only purpose it serves is to make you feel better by venting how much you dislike it, and having others jump on the wagon with you, but at the end of the day nothing will change. A ton of the idiots who say they hate it will still toss their money at it by going to see it on opening day, so it is not like you are going to be knocking down ticket sales by any significant numbers. When all is said and done, you will have just invested hours of your life, permanently lost forever, on a movie you don't even like. Hours wasted posting and reading posts. At least the people who go see it in the theaters will only waste a couple of hours of their life, and around $10 so they can say, "eh, it sucked" and move on.

I agree with a lot of your sentiments Hunter, but is it really worth all this effort? You are not going to like this movie, neither am I. You are not alone. But there is nothing we can do about it.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I have to disagree. Jackson was going for more surreal fantasy "monster" type Dinosaur's while Spielberg was going for realism. They don't look like cartoon characters at all IMO.

 

 

I dunno man. Sounds like a lousy excuse for some poorly rendered and lazily done dinosaurs to me. Can't be a surreal fantasy and still have decent looking CG? The realism of JP makes it a much more "surreal" viewing experience in my opinion. The monkey looked real enough. It is just the other creatures that looked poorly done, obviously a lot more time would be spent on Kong's model, but those dinos looked pretty lame for such a big budget movie.

 

Wow, that new ST trailer, if you cut out McCoy's line, and removed the words Star Trek from the end, you could watch the thing and think you were watching the trailer for some generic action sci-fi flick.

 

 

 Idk. I thought all the monster FX looked great in that film. Maybe I need to give it another look. I never thought the dinosaurs were poorly rendered, just maybe a bit "larger than life".

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I think from now on, we, on these boards, should officially refer to "that sport" as handball.  I likes that name!  It's exciting!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Sounds good to me. And from this moment on, what you refer to as 'soccer' shall now be know as it's true title -- 'football'.

Yeah!!.... you know why, cos they play it with their feet. Kinda makes sense don't ya think!??!

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Almost anime like but not.  I won't insult good anime by the comparison with this crap,lol.

This shit is like a hundred times worse than the new clone wars cartoon.

But these action figures are for little kids and i guess they are not that far removed from say a darth potato head figure.  Its the big heads,lol.

The biggest laugh i had lately was reading the Bruce Greenfield  piece where he compared Chris Pine to the new Bond Actor Daniel Craig.  I liked Brosnan better than Craig, but this comparison is not even fair to Craigs acting ability.  Pine is an unproven unknown from a movie most people have not even seen and he is getting way too much attention.

If the Trek Pictures bombs it will probably kill off trek.  But it won't hurt pines career.  If it is sucessful he will be typecast as James Siberius Kirk, i mean Tiberius,lol.

Trek as it is no longer sells.  If JJ can renew the product so people start buying the books and watching the shows again then trek will be resurrected once again.  It won't be my generations Trek or my fathers.  

Right now Star Wars novels are always ending up as bestsellers.  The videogames sell well and the Clone Wars cartoon is the biggest hit cartoon newtork has ever had on its hands. So much so a second season was recently given the go ahead. The star wars brand is selling well and is strong.  Not the same for trek.  Although the Comics have sold modestly.  The new comic wriiten by Orci is probably the first one to ever sell out in recent memory.  someone out there wants this movie. There is an audience for it.  Paramount may have little respect from the masses but they don't lack business smarts.   They understand overall it is a business and a way to make money.  and JJ made no mistake by invoking the name of Lucas Star Wars brand saying he wants this trek to be as sucessful.

Now that they have announced Alan Dean Foster as the guy writing the novelization, i may go out and buy the book and read it.  Alan Dean Foster is a respected science Fiction Author of original fiction as well as having Written the novelization for Lucas Star Wars, its novel sequel Splinter of the Minds Eye.  And he wrote the Story for Star Trek Phase II: in thy Image.  That became Star Trek the motion Picture.  and much of what he wrote remains into the movie in Livingston's script. And he wrote those star trek logs novels based on the animated trek series.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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HotRod said:

 

Look, dudes...chill!!

It's a T-Shirt...It says Captain suave...Whats wrong with that??

 

May have to get me one of those...and I don't even give a rats arse about Star Trek!!

;)

Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa

This is cracking me up.  If you guys were complaining before, it's about to go next level.

Captain Suave... Hhahaaaa

Don't worry though... they got it covered!

 

War does not make one great.

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Wow. Words fail me...

 

Is it just me, or does cartoon Capt. James "suave" Kirk look a lot like George Bush? When he is looking head on, not so much in the profile shots (he's got more of a Conan O'Brien look there).

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Once again The Writers of the New Star Trek Movie put their heads up Lucas' Butt:
Form:
http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/18/orci-kurtzman-star-trek-needed-a-little-rock-and-roll/

    Roberto Orci: Obviously we were comfortable for Christmas, because that was its niche. But we all feel it can sustain what it needs to sustain in the summer. One of the things we said early on is that Star Wars and Star Trek are always the ones being compared to each other by certain people. Why is Star Wars able to surpass all of that even though they’re all in space and some characters are similar? It just felt like Star Wars had a little more rock and roll than Star Trek had.

    Alex Kurtzman: so we figured the missing ingredient for this one was it needed a little rock and roll. And if we succeeded in doing that, I think it will meet the summer expectations. Star Trek was essentially a submarine naval battle, except in space. Star Wars was flying down the trench of the Death Star at the speed of mach 70,000 to shoot a little bullet into a hold. The experience as a viewer you have is different: there’s a speed I think associated with that experience. To my mind, there was no reason they had to be mutually exclusive. Obviously you have to be very true to spirit of what Star Trek is and you cannot violate canon, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have some of that as well.

    Kurtzman: That’s what motivated it for us. It would have broken our hearts if Star Trek just faded away.

    Orci: It just meant too much to us in varying degrees and ways. Obviously the opportunity to inherit that mantle is so epic that you cannot go forward if you don’t believe in it with your soul. All of us call ourselves the supreme court of Star Trek, and this is our term right now.

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JJ, Orci and Kurtzman say Star Wars more times a week then even Lucas says it. Too Bad The movie they are making is Star Trek.

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FUNNY VIDEO ON THE NEW STAR TREK TRAILER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klDAoqU9Ogc

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Finally, A Film-Maker speaks out about and attack all the Re-Made,Re-boot,Re-**** and so on. 

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From

http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/stephen-romano-sounds-off-on-remakes-including-friday-the-13th/

and

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=26429762&blogID=470629946


From screenwriter Stephen Romano (Incident On And Off A Mountain Road):

It's OFFICIAL. Everything you love has been destroyed.

This is a distress call from the Planet Earth.  The REAL planet Earth.  The one that made sense when I was growing up.  Not the one we’re living on now.  I don’t know how the fuck it happened, but the Earth I used to know has been DESTROYED.  Everything I love is gone . . . and all that remains is . . . well, I don’t know what it is, but I hate it and I want it to stop.

More at:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=26429762&blogID=470629946

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He is right that the new Indiana Jones and Star Wars sucked, and were devoid of magic.   But i could care less about horror films as i am not a fan of the genre.  I like science fiction and fantasy films.

He is also right that the new friday the 13th is a joke, and someone called it gore porn.  That is essentially what these movies are now after hostel and the saw sequels.

The new Star trek is good in at least paramount is finally putting some money back into the franchise. 

Even if you hate the JJ film it is exciting to be a trek fan because of the new movie we get all 6 classic films on blu ray in their theatrical versions, and a completely restored wrath of khan from the original negative.

Plus there is room for us who grew up with the next generation and reruns of classic trek, as well as those still living when they originally aired in the sixties.  There should also be room for the newcomers brought in by the jj film, Trek needs new blood.  If the jj film is positive and inspires these young people even if i don't like all the changes i can live with it.

Plus lets at least give JJ abrams a little credit he understands popular culture and fiction and has been connected to four hit tv series.  A lot more than you can say for the modern George Lucas who brought us the lackluster prequels of star wars from 1999-2005, desstroyed the old movies in 1997 and 2004, and delivered the turds of 2008 Indiana Jones 4 and Clone Wars.

If this film is sucessful is means more star trek films and television shows, it also means more classic trek related fiction in the books and possibly the first time the old films and tv shows get the proper treatment even if just to make Paramount money.

I was sad Enterprise and before that the next generation film series was cancelled but does that mean the spirit of genes vision died, i don't think so.  An ideal or symbol cannot be killed.  And the world we live in now needs some positive thinking about the future and less cynics because the financial world and everything we hold to be sacred as Americans is coming apart at the seams.  But trek is not just for us Gene gave it to the world.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Finally, A Film-Maker speaks out about and attack all the Re-Made,Re-boot,Re-**** and so on. 

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From

http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/stephen-romano-sounds-off-on-remakes-including-friday-the-13th/

and

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=26429762&blogID=470629946


From screenwriter Stephen Romano (Incident On And Off A Mountain Road):

It's OFFICIAL. Everything you love has been destroyed.

This is a distress call from the Planet Earth.  The REAL planet Earth.  The one that made sense when I was growing up.  Not the one we’re living on now.  I don’t know how the fuck it happened, but the Earth I used to know has been DESTROYED.  Everything I love is gone . . . and all that remains is . . . well, I don’t know what it is, but I hate it and I want it to stop.

More at:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=26429762&blogID=470629946

 

Yeah, I have felt that way in the past. About a year ago, those sentiments summed up my feelings quite well. But now reality has set in, and I realize, who really cares? The popular things we grew up with are all being remade. Everything that was special is being sucked out of them. It is to be expected. These knew knockoffs are all like pyrite to the gold we grew up with. But as long as their is money to be made, this is going to happen. At least the originals of most things are still around. If I feel the need to revisit past shows, movies, comics books, or video games I grew up with, modern technology allows me to do so quick and easily.

This feeling is the symtom of having grown up with anything, I suppose. These are the feelings I got when I visited the town I grew up in a while back and discovered the giant old tree me and my friends used to hang out at had been torn down, and the surrounding fields had been zoned into a new subdivision, the ditches we used to spend so much time hiding in had all be filled in, as was the pond we used to swim in. The once great world we used to escape to with our bows and arrows and BB guns was another borning neighborhood with grassy lawns, swingsets, and white picket fences. This exotic planet, this deserted island, this piece of a forgotten forest, this small amount of real estate on the moon of Endor, this place me and my pals used to lose ourselves in everyday after school, was gone forever. All that is left of it is own memories. That sucks. It pisses me off. I want to go back to that place, but I never can. Why? Because someone could make money buy selling that land and allowing a new subdivision to be placed on that spot. And who can blame them? It is reality, it is the way the world works. They can't just put this section of land on hold because a few kids have fond memories of it and can't allow it to be damaged for nastolgic reasons. Same goes for the subject at hand.

I get the same sort of feeling when I realize that Star Wars is no longer Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi, but a million other things that kids are enjoying just as much as I loved those films as a kid. The video games I grew up with as a kid and always lost myself in are now considered boring and lame to most kids. The cartoons I grew up with are not fit for them either, and must all be remade, with new actors, art styles, and story lines. The peope who own the rights to those things can't be expected to sit back and let them disappear into obscurity when there is money to be made.

Someday the kids enjoying these remakes, expansions, and poorly done "re-imaginings" of the things we loved as kids, will grow up and go through the same thing we are going through. The world will continue to spin, and ideas will continue to be recycled. Every now and then something original and new will come along, and it will be really great for a while, then it too will go through revisions, knock-offs, remakes and re-imaginings. So it goes.

 

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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The new Star trek is good in at least paramount is finally putting some money back into the franchise. 

Even if you hate the JJ film it is exciting to be a trek fan because of the new movie we get all 6 classic films on blu ray in their theatrical versions, and a completely restored wrath of khan from the original negative.

Paramount allways releases Star Trek DVD, HD-DVD and so on, each year.

Paramount was already releasing Star Trek on HD-DVD, but then HD-DVD lost the format War.

The JJ's Movie is Not the reason beheld Star Trek on Blu-ray. Paramount would have released them with or without The JJ's Movie.

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Plus there is room for us who grew up with the next generation and reruns of classic trek, as well as those still living when they originally aired in the sixties.  There should also be room for the newcomers brought in by the jj film, Trek needs new blood.  If the jj film is positive and inspires these young people even if i don't like all the changes i can live with it.

The same could be said about the Star Wars Prequels.

Star Wars Needed new blood and the Star Wars Prequels did that...

But at what count.

the Star Wars Prequels is inspiring a new generation...

But what are they inspiring.... Bad movies.

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Plus lets at least give JJ abrams a little credit he understands popular culture and fiction and has been connected to four hit tv series.  A lot more than you can say for the modern George Lucas who brought us the lackluster prequels of star wars from 1999-2005, desstroyed the old movies in 1997 and 2004, and delivered the turds of 2008 Indiana Jones 4 and Clone Wars.

If he understood then why is he did changed things so much. Redesigns the ship, bridge, being true to the canon and so on of TOS would have been understands the popular culture icon. The Thing is that none-thing we have see or heard has show us that he understands it. The Enterprise (insides and out) in this film is Not Redesign of The Enterprise from TOS, They are new designs. What we have seen is JJ has changed things just to be changing them. Each today something new which shows he and crew do not understands or think they know better. Star Trek: TOS was a short ran show in the 1960's which became a popular culture icon in the 1970's, but in the past 40 years no one really went back to TOS-era. Now if JJ abrams really understands it then why is he fixing something which is not broken meaning TOS-era. Why change a icon of popular culture history meaning TOS-era.

Now if JJ abrams really understood it then he would be doing a re-boot of TNG-era and not TOS.

The back of the new best of Star Trek DVDs clears up what this movie really is: It is a Prequel just like EP I,II and III. The more I learn and see it about this film the more it looks like the modern George Lucas' playbook. 

 

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If this film is sucessful is means more star trek films and television shows, it also means more classic trek related fiction in the books and possibly the first time the old films and tv shows get the proper treatment even if just to make Paramount money.

If this film is successful, we will more likely see less classic trek related fiction in the books and more JJ trek related fiction in the books.

Classic Star Trek is already having these thing (books,comics,figures, so on...) and always will. 

Once again,

Paramount allways releases Star Trek DVD, HD-DVD and so on, each year.

The JJ's Movie is Not the reason beheld Star Trek on Blu-ray. Paramount would have released them with or without The JJ's Movie.

I was sad Enterprise and before that the next generation film series was cancelled but does that mean the spirit of genes vision died, i don't think so.  An ideal or symbol cannot be killed.  And the world we live in now needs some positive thinking about the future and less cynics because the financial world and everything we hold to be sacred as Americans is coming apart at the seams.  But trek is not just for us Gene gave it to the world.

True. The Soul of Star Trek is something the world needs.

It makes me sad to see what seems to be a Soulless Star Trek filled with punks-a@@ posers saying bad lines like the Star Trek Prequels.

 

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Star Trek more than meets the eye, Star Trek more than meets the eye....

 

The New final Star Trek title logo:

 

 

 

Computer screen in the new star trek movie:

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why is kirk in black....  why is the bridge white and blue.... why is Kirk blue eyed.....

The Answer is Abrams, Orci & Kurtzman only have a few ideas which they reuse, reuse and reuse. 

 

 

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Didn't see it mentioned here yet. Star Trek on Blu-ray finally official:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa165.html#startrekannounce

I was going to hold on to my TOS DVD box sets due to the updated special effects, but unlike the HD-DVD version, the Blu-ray version will present both the original and updated effects via seamless branching. And the price is much saner than the HD-DVD release was.

Wrath of Khan is getting a new transfer from restored elements and Undiscovered Country is being presented in its proper 2.35:1 theatrical aspect ratio (the DVD release was 2.0:1). Again, I'm stunned by the price also.

I'm really looking forward to these box sets.

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Here are FAN-made CGI pics of the JJ i-prise.
These Fan pics are great and They look better then the shots in movie.
The lighting on the i-prise is classic of star trek, too bad none of the pics or video from the JJ movie looks like this.
these FAN-made pics make the shots in the trailers look like S***.
Now we know how the i-prise would have looked if Nicholas Meyer filmed it or if Jonathan Frakes filmed it or if Michael Okuda worked on it. :) 

UPDATE: after studying The FAN-made pics of the JJ i-prise, I noted that the JJ i-prise in  FAN-made pics has difference than the JJ i-prise from the movie. The FAN-made pics has more details which the maker of the pics must have taken From past trek ships like NX-01, NCC-1701 (remastered) and NCC-1701 (retro-fit)/ NCC-1701 A.Also The Texture on The Fan CGI Model is more like NCC-1701 (retro-fit)/ NCC-1701 A then the JJ i-prise from the movie and the Grey color of the ship is more like  NCC-1701 (remastered) then the JJ i-prise from the movie. The type of rendering and lighting on The Fan JJ i-prise is more like NCC-1701 (remastered) and some of the other past CGI rendering in Star Trek. The Fan CGI Model is Cleaner, Clearer and sharper then the JJ i-prise from the movie which is Blurry and has really bad lighting. Also the FAN-made JJ i-prise CGI Model over-all shape is off from the JJ i-prise from the movie. The FAN-made JJ i-prise CGI Model shape is a little more like the JJ i-prise from the movie crossed with NCC-1701 (remastered). 

The FAN-made JJ i-prise was made by a Star Trek Fan and is his guess work of how the JJ i-prise looks like, but In the end I have to say the FAN-made JJ i-prise CGI Model is more the way This ship should have be design. 



http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/23/first-look-at-tobias-richters-uss-enterprise-wallpapers/

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So far this movie is reminding me of bad sci fi movies like wing commander and starship troopers, not star trek.

Reminds me of Bayformers and the awful Indiana Jones IV.  The Design is horrendous and the cgi is rediculous.

If the dialogue is anything like Transformers, The orci trek comic it deserves a capital F for fail.

I will stick to getting the remastered movies 1-6 theatrical editions and skip this all together.

Even if Paramount could offer to send me a DVD screener and i would say fuck no.  I would throw it in the trash. This shit makes nemesis look like the greatest sci fi film ever made.

Star Trek is finally ruined.  Those who want to see the Adventures of James Siberious Kirk of the i-prise with a no name dude who looks like he is from some teen drama show, knock yourself out.

I just go and see another Hollywood crap film instead.  I already paid to watch star wars and indiana jones go down in flames not going to give JJ my money and the satisfaction he ruined a classic franchise.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Those who want to see the Adventures of James Siberious Kirk of the i-prise...

 

James Tiberius Kirk.

 

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JJ Abrams quote:

"I saw so much potential and possibility that the original had failed to realise due to technological constraints."

So he thinks its about special effects and not story.  He clearly does not understand star trek much less the real star wars films.  He is taking his cues from the star wars prequels, and the modern George Lucas.  I hate to say it but hunter6 was right.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.