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skyjedi2005
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Info: About this whole Indy 4 debate.
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13-Feb-2009, 1:47 AM

I saw the movie in the theater and both me and my bro agreed Ox the retard was pretty much the Jar Jar Binks of Crystal Skull.

I don't know what i hated more him or Mac the triple agent.  Seriously this movie was as dumb as movies get and was a self parody of Indiana Jones. 

Indy surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge and riding through the air in it for a mile when it crashed and hit the ground.  He gets up and dusts himself off like nothing happened,lol.

The horrible opening with the Cgi gophers/prairie dogs.  Seriously i was looking for Bill Murrys Caddyshack character to show up.

Totally fake Cgi Jungle instead of going and shooting on Location.  For a movie that was supposed to be shot old school this movie was full of cgi.

Cate Blanchett as Natasha from Rocky and Bullwinkle, enough said.  

 

I'm surprised Lucas, Spielberg and Koepp still have jobs after this great turd of 2008 that somehow grossed almost 800 million dollars worldwide.  Trash cinema must be enjoyed by the entire human race then and i thought it was just us dumb Americans.

The things they got right were shooting on film and having Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones.  Returning to the Spirit of Raiders, and having Marian come back.   But the script sucked, the acting barely was passable except for Harrison. 

Would it have been possible to have someone else write if not direct this movie?  and why for the love of god have Lucas involved.  It used to be a good thing to have him involved on a movie, now you just know whatever he puts his name on is going to suck.

Raiders and Last Crusade were good because they had good screenplays.  Lawrence Kasden and Jeffrey Boam penned those.  I mean if they tried for twenty years to come up with a good script and a plossible mcguffin, maybe they should have just let things be.  But they saw the dollar signs. that is all there is to it.  They knew ahead of time this would be one of the most profitable motion pictures ever made.

The funny thing is what ended up on screen as Crystal Skull was better than all the other scripts that were thrown out or saved and patched into this one.  This was a patchwork script of half a dozen writers, we end up with a patchwork film that only works as a nostalgia vehicle in those scenes that were good or worked.

Frank Darabount's script had some really bad and cheesy scenes in it too.  I mean i know he directed Green Mile and Shawshank Redemption and wrote a pretty good script for young indy.  But ever since he did that bad b movie with that punisher actor i lost all faith in him as a writer or director.  He got lucky with Shawshank, lets just face facts.

But at least to me 60% of the movie was just plain bad.  Indiana Jones deserved better than that.  This movie in some ways was better and in others worse than Temple of Doom the worst of the old trilogy.

I rank it fourth overall.

 

We all know the prequels of star wars and Indiana Jones IV are far from being the worst films ever made.  There are plenty of worse movies.  But the Name Lucas or Spielberg in the old days being attached to a movie with a few exceptions meant better than their competition and a head above the rest.  There films were just so damn good, and entertaining and they put out a quality product.  Remember when the Lucasfilm name was synonymous with quality.  Then fast forward to the present in which the 2004 and 2006 sets of star wars are a joke that passed quality checking.

I don't begrudge Lucas and Spielberg the fun they had in making this film, it is very clear if you watch the behind the scenes material.  But big names like Lucas and Spielberg could have afforded a couple more rewrites on this script to tighten up the dialogue and take out all the stupid parts that ruined the movie.  Also Spielberg should have gone with his gut instinct on the Aliens he clearly knows his audience for Indiana Jones.  He also should have shot the film old school like he intended and used models and matte paintings like he said he was going to do.

I feel like Steven was forced to do this movie out of an obligation to George and to the fans.  He decided to film it and get it out of the way.  It was a nuisance to go everywhere he went and hear "whens the next indy movie coming out".  Like he said we the fans wanted it.

I personally would have hated to be Steven and not really be the boss on this picture and having Lucas backseat direct the movie the whole way.  In the end the parts of the movie that worked were probably Steven's doing and the bad parts were all Lucas.

 

There is a possibility the next one if made could be really good if they fix what did not work on this movie.  Remember the second in the old trilogy had some good moments too but ended up being overall crap.  I just don't know if audiences want an Indiana Jones V with Shia as Henry "indiana" Jones the III, in the title roll and if possible a small role for Harrison.  If the thing gets made before Lucas, Spielberg and Ford give up the ghost. For one thing Mutt would have to drop that nickame and assume the title of Indiana.  That is if he even changed his name to Jones.  Otherwise its an entirely seperate film series called the adventures of Mutt Williams, the only connection would be that Indy was his father.  I mean mutts a greeser and not an adventure seeker or acheologist.  His character would be chasing girls and racing hotrods or riding fast motorcycles or something.