jones1899 said:I think the list we have is very thorough. I think it addresses several problems wth the film. Some of these are quite small and some are not, but every step of the way we've discussed the feasability of these edits with those doing the edits. Things like Ox dancing for instance is, for many of us, another goofy, kiddy scene in a film that has far too many goofy and kiddy scenes.
The main problem with the alien stuff is not that there are aliens (or whatever interdemensional beings they're refered to as) but that there's no sense of peril or danger or character moments to ground the film in any manner to handle such a thing. Scenes that were over the top were made more so by the fact that there was never any sense of danger due to an over reliance on CGI and jsut plain bad filmmaking. Is is terrible to have a character in an adventure film swinging on vines? No. In fact its sort of expected. But seeing the way said scene ws executed makes it stand out as weightless and goofy. Are aliens THAT far out of left field for the Indy franchise? Nope. But the way they were presented here is just plain terrible.
How is a display of the fact that Ox has gone batty "goofy or kiddy"? If that was the way he normally acted, then maybe I could see a problem. But this just strikes me as an ignorant, knee-jerk reaction bred out of living with three SW films littered poop jokes and silly robots.
I actually agree with the second paragraph quoted. I think these things could've been executed much better--I'd love to see an edit where a real alien puppet/costume was somehow composited in instead of the CG alien. These are real issues. But there are a lot of just out-there stuff that totally misses the point of what the problems were.
I do disagree that it's a near-impossible task to make this a good film--I find that to a large degree, it already is, but there are some glaring flaws that, if you're not able to put it in perspective with the big picture of what they actually got right, can totally overshadow your view of the film.