ChainsawAsh said:Bingowings said:Ripplin said:I likes! :D
I would like to ask, though, since I may have missed it; what is the thinking/rationale behind Luke talking to Obi-Wan in his Tatooine home rather than on Dagobah?
The idea came from people wishing to have the film start on Dagobah, with Yoda's death (to create the impression that Luke has been finishing his training).
Then comes the Darth at the Death Star scene.
Then Luke returns to Tatooine sending the droids to Jabba. I thought it would be a nice bookend to Luke getting his father's lightsabre and getting the first half of the story about his dad in Ben's hut if he built his new lightsabre and got the full story about his dad in the same place.
He is about to save Han but has doubts because of losing Yoda and finding out about his father.
So Ben returns to his home to give Luke a bit of a lift before the battle to come, besides I was never happy with Ben wandering around in the swamp like that it just seemed a bit weird (more like he's retired and planting cabbages than actually being a ghost).
It's a good excuse for why all of Ben's stuff is still around (the Sandpeople and the Jawas won't go near the place because it's literally a haunted house).
Then comes the droids on route to the palace.
Chewie is delivered by Boushh etc and Luke rescues them.
Having Leia's relationship to Luke revealed on Tatooine give him and us a bit of a break between revelations (hopefully making them easier to swallow) and keeps up the suspence about who the other is for a bit longer too.
Sort of - this progression causes pacing issues, unfortunately.
What works better is:
- Start off with Vader visiting the Death Star
- Boushh delivers Chewie (paint out Threepio, since he's not there yet)
- Luke on Dagobah, Yoda dies
- Leia rescues Han, is captured (again, paint out Threepio)
- Han talks with Chewie
- Luke lands on Tatooine, after getting out of X-Wing says "I can't do it R2" then hears Obi-Wan from inside the hut, goes inside and has conversation with Obi-Wan (could also start inside hut)
- Droids go to Jabba's palace, get captured ("message" is never delivered)
- Luke arrives at the palace, Rancor, Sarlacc Pit
- Emperor arrives on Death Star
- Luke arrives at the meeting (greeting part goes first), then briefing commences, ending with a nervous pause after "General Solo, is your srike team assembled?"The rest of the movie would pretty much play out without more drastic structuring changes, but obviously with toned-down kiddie B.S.
Presumably Boussh's lines are translated via subtitles?
Otherwise you need Threepio there to do what he is designed to do (translate) that's a lot of lines in Huttese to sit through without hearing any human speak and does give Threepio less to do.
Not unless you recolour Threepio, give him a different voice (a bit like this guy/girl :
and have the Hutt destroy this protocol droid leaving an opening on the employment register for Threepio to nervously fill.
I actually prefer the whole ghost scene in Ben's house (R2 is in the hut anyway to record the message and to take delivery of Luke's new toy. Threepio is outside because like Bail Antilles a generation before Luke can't trust him not to blurt out a secret) but as I described earlier it's very difficult to do convincingly.
I can't really see as yet the pacing problem other than not a shot has been fired until Boushh enters the palace but that goes with the film in it's current form and starting with Vader is no different from starting with Yoda in terms of mood both are downer openings, one with a new big weapon thingy and another with Luke becoming the only Jedi left alive.
Empire wasn't hurt by having Vader turn up well into the movie so I can't see Jedi being hurt by it either.