Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 20

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Octorox said:

Yeah. I still feel that the scope of some of these edits is beyond an OT revisited projects. The revisited projects have generally been about fixing and adding, not moving around and taking away. I guess if Ady did a Purist DVD9 for this edit I wouldn't mind the radical changes however I couldn't consider it the "definitive edition of ROTJ" like I do with ANH because if you change too much it ceases to become ROTJ anymore. small tweaks along the way like the ADM prequel edits I wouldn't mind but I wouldn't want to see the movie completely gutted and rearranged. I'd prefer another editor tackle that or even Ady on a separate project.

Well, just be aware that Adywan will be changing *some* things...for example: the ending will be different...he's said before that he's going to *attempt* to kill Lando in the falcon. And of course, he's also said that the PT will be getting a complete make over...

I know my version is pretty out there...*I* don't want all of the changes I've done in Adywan's edit.  :)

....Kill Lando? maybe as an extra but come on... there better be a Purist version of this :( As for the PT I don't care because they don't need the FX work. Adywan's PT edits can be pure fan edits IMO but I've always seen the Revisited OT as "Special Editions" more than true fanedits.

Octorox said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Octorox said:

Yeah. I still feel that the scope of some of these edits is beyond an OT revisited projects. The revisited projects have generally been about fixing and adding, not moving around and taking away. I guess if Ady did a Purist DVD9 for this edit I wouldn't mind the radical changes however I couldn't consider it the "definitive edition of ROTJ" like I do with ANH because if you change too much it ceases to become ROTJ anymore. small tweaks along the way like the ADM prequel edits I wouldn't mind but I wouldn't want to see the movie completely gutted and rearranged. I'd prefer another editor tackle that or even Ady on a separate project.

Well, just be aware that Adywan will be changing *some* things...for example: the ending will be different...he's said before that he's going to *attempt* to kill Lando in the falcon. And of course, he's also said that the PT will be getting a complete make over...

I know my version is pretty out there...*I* don't want all of the changes I've done in Adywan's edit.  :)

 

....Kill Lando? maybe as an extra but come on... there better be a Purist version of this :( As for the PT I don't care because they don't need the FX work. Adywan's PT edits can be pure fan edits IMO but I've always seen the Revisited OT as "Special Editions" more than true fanedits.

It's how he see's it that counts.

He has already done cleaned up versions of the films as they stand so the Revisited set are his take and he went on record as saying that Jedi is as bad in it's way as any of the prequels.

When he is finished someone will no doubt take the them and mix and merge them to make even more versions, that's the nature of the fan-editing beast.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

ChainsawAsh said:

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

 

 I'm actually not sure about that yet... ;)

It's Obi-wan's transparency issue isn't it? Well, I've looked at that scene pretty closely and believe it or not Obi-wan is only transparent in a handful of shots. I *think* it could actually be worked around.

It might even be possible to have Obi-wan simply standing through the entire conversation. You could have Obi-wan kind of fade/flicker in and out using a still image of his body while using his talking head. Does that make sense? I've have to try and make a rough version of this...

Now of course even if all of that worked out it still may not look right...having to do so much roto-ing and all of that...

It would be great to see old Ben back on Tatooine where the story began (from a certain point of view) one more time.

Shame it couldn't be back at Ben's old hermitage.

vaderios said:

Bingowings said:

...Jedi is as bad in it's way as any of the prequels.

God damn its worst.

 

-Angel

 

I still think that the original cast and Ian's Emperor lift it above the worst bits of the prequel trilogy, it still has spirit, something which hardly appears in the prequels.

Bingowings said:

It would be great to see old Ben back on Tatooine where the story began (from a certain point of view) one more time.

Shame it couldn't be back at Ben's old hermitage.

 

surely that could work? if someone were to move him to tatooine, like somethingstarwarsrelated did, they could make a matt of bens homestead based on the one we see in ANH? the x wing could even land there?

ben_danger said:

Bingowings said:

It would be great to see old Ben back on Tatooine where the story began (from a certain point of view) one more time.

Shame it couldn't be back at Ben's old hermitage.

 

surely that could work? if someone were to move him to tatooine, like somethingstarwarsrelated did, they could make a matt of bens homestead based on the one we see in ANH? the x wing could even land there?

 

The difficulty is moving the actor's around the set in a realistic fashion.

Ben might be doable (he is a ghost so the audiance expects a small degree of missmatch, but to do look right you'd have to get a real actor in a real set and mix in Mark's performance in a convincing way.

More hybrid fan film/fan edit action, not impossible but really hard work to pull off.

This is a really rough knock up but it can be done is the background is in sync with the foreground image which is hard enough to do with one frame but even harder in a long sequence.

Just to clarify I didn't mean the super duper doubled voice just after transformation but once it's "settled" like towards the end of the movie when he's talking to Vader.

doubleofive said:

Octorox said:

Just to clarify I didn't mean the super duper doubled voice just after transformation but once it's "settled" like towards the end of the movie when he's talking to Vader.

 

Thank goodness.  Thought we were going to have to kick you out! ;-)

I just feel that the way Ian delivers some of his lines in Jedi he talks to fast. In most of the scenes he's Luke he's fine but in earlier scenes he doesn't have the slowness that I would usually associate with the emperor's voice. Lines like "I feel that you wish to continue your search for Young Skywalker" just don't sound right to me. Compare that to the end of ROTS or the SE holo convo and you'll see what I mean.

And P.S. I actually do think the emperor's "voices" in ROTS are cool but just as part of his transformation.

Really?  I just don't understand that.  The "continue your search" line sounds just fine, and are perfectly in keeping with his character.  His ROTS appearance just ... not so much.

Then again, I haven't seen ROTS since 2005 at midnight in a theater full of screaming fanboys, so I may not be the best judge of what's "good" and what's "not" in ROTS.

Bingowings said:

It would be great to see old Ben back on Tatooine where the story began (from a certain point of view) one more time.

Shame it couldn't be back at Ben's old hermitage.

Well story-wise, that is where Luke is supposed to have went to build his new lightsaber. Obi Wan had all the parts necessary to build a lightsaber back at his house. I'm not sure if it was in the original script or not but there was a good little paragraph about this in my Star Wars visual dictionary.

darthmunky said:

Bingowings said:

It would be great to see old Ben back on Tatooine where the story began (from a certain point of view) one more time.

Shame it couldn't be back at Ben's old hermitage.

 

Well story-wise, that is where Luke is supposed to have went to build his new lightsaber. Obi Wan had all the parts necessary to build a lightsaber back at his house. I'm not sure if it was in the original script or not but there was a good little paragraph about this in my Star Wars visual dictionary.

 

There was meant to be a scene at the beginning of the film where we saw Luke finish building his new sabre in a cave on Tatooine.

This matte was painted for that scene.

 Here is the prop lightsabre which slides and snaps together :

 But it makes cleaner narrative sense to have that scene at Ben's hut, like in the novelisation (for the reasons you state and because it's where Luke started to learn about his father and begin his journey).

The same goes with the ghost scene.

Ziz said:

Actually, I think that matte was painted for the deleted Sandstorm scene.

And the bit about Luke building his saber with spare parts in Ben's attic explains why his ROTJ saber looks so much like Ben's ANH saber.

I may be wrong but I can't see how that matte would work in that context.

The skiff takes them to their ships (in a sandstorm) and they get in them and leave so why the daylight and the hole for live action filming to be plopped in?

It fits in with the cave story much better but who cares as either option is beyond restoration without very good look and sound alike actors or time travel, and I'm just a nerd and not very knowledgable about such things, well not on this planet, in fact I'm not very sure which planet I'm on...

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

ben_danger said:

Bingowings said:

It would be great to see old Ben back on Tatooine where the story began (from a certain point of view) one more time.

Shame it couldn't be back at Ben's old hermitage.

 

surely that could work? if someone were to move him to tatooine, like somethingstarwarsrelated did, they could make a matt of bens homestead based on the one we see in ANH? the x wing could even land there?

 

The difficulty is moving the actor's around the set in a realistic fashion.

Ben might be doable (he is a ghost so the audiance expects a small degree of missmatch, but to do look right you'd have to get a real actor in a real set and mix in Mark's performance in a convincing way.

More hybrid fan film/fan edit action, not impossible but really hard work to pull off.

This is a really rough knock up but it can be done is the background is in sync with the foreground image which is hard enough to do with one frame but even harder in a long sequence.

 

That's why I've suggested outside...at night...it would be much easier to make it look convincing. The lighting would basically be the same. If Adywan could change out the Tatooine skies in ANH:R and make it look seemless...well, I bet he could pull off the Tatooine night skies...

It might be easier but then you lose some of (if not most of) the point moving the location.

The strength of the idea comes from being in the same room where the journey really began. He was given his father's sabre in that room he took on his father's quest in that room, now he is building his own sword and starting his own quest in the same room and in that room he gets the final part of the story Ben started to tell him all those years ago.

Outside looking up at the suns would have only some of that power.

Once again however don't underestimate the power of the fan film maker.

The plans of the simple set and lots of photographic resources are on record and it could be remade and refilmed to match the Dagobah sequence by a skilled camera man and Lukes glove could be replaced with a different hand but it's a LOT of work.

"Mr Marquand can we take that again? We appear to have an obviously fake arm in shot!" 

That shot really need fixing, it looks like Vader's hand is a glove stuffed with newspaper and is sticking directly out of his shoulder on a wooden stick.

Yeah, I might redo that Obi-Wan/Luke mock up again it was weird how much the lighting matched up and if I spent a good couple of hours on it I might be able to do a more convincing background but Ben was taken from the studio photo and I'm not sure how to do the glow right.

I know, Why don't you give it a stab Vaderios ;-)