Also, I like Taolar, a lot. I rarely agree with him, but at least he's willing to argue a point and he's even conceded a couple issues and agreed to disagree on others when it was clear the debate would achieve no further help or entertainment. I will agree that some of my fellow conservatives love to argue a lot and can go ON AND ON with it, but I do not think we are some "gang" whose goal is to run off all of the liberal members. I think some of my fellow members could learn a couple things from Taolar as to when it would be best to just drop a subject to avoid further needless debate, but if they want to keep going, they can have at it. I too often can't sit and read the huge posts they make, but if they felt better after doing it, so be it. I hate to see folks give up or leave the off-topic sections. I happen to think I am right and others are wrong, it is natural human desire to prove that I am right, even if I may be wrong. That is human nature which provides me with great insight, fun, challenges, and entertainment.