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AxiaEuxine said:

You all KNOW thats not what I meant. I love episode 3. I was commenting on how the audience never gave it a chance, like all the prequels.

Then you obviously haven't been reading any of the posts surrounding yours.  Like the one I wrote directly above yours that said the first time I saw it I was enthralled.  And how about Erikstormtrooper's post right above this one that explains he liked it the first time but after repeat viewings he realized that it wasn't as good as he first thought.  He hit the nail on the head.  It's not a movie that holds up well under close scrutiny.  All of us gave the prequels a chance, otherwise we never would have seen them.  Conversely, I could say that I never gave The Clone Wars a chance because I never bothered to see it.  But since I saw ROTS three times in theatres, I think I gave it quite a large chance.  It is possible that people dislike certain movies not because they have a vendetta against a franchise or fans of a franchise but because they've (objectively as they can) weighed the good against the bad and ultimately decided it's not that good.  Just like I assume you love the prequels and special editions not because you simply love anything that has a Star Wars label attached to it no matter the value but because you honestly believe they're good movies.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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rcb said:

really? i couldn't fall asleep! i was shaking in my seat the entire movie! and it was a four AM showing!

I had trouble staying awake through the film.

 

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Well I loved it the first time I watched it...and I still do love it. Sure it's not a masterpiece like ESB, but it sure does have some pretty good moments...if you can just put aside a few of the plot gaps it really isn't that bad....and it's a helluva lot better than AOTC...which is a wasted film.

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Well I loved it the first time I watched it...

Weren't you high as a kite when you first watched it? ;)

the ONE thing they really should have taken from the OT was to introduce a core group of characters - and stick with them. Introducing background characters purely to be fodder later on is a bit weak. A lot of the Jedi never spoke onscreen or were referred to by name, yet we were meant to feel something for them when things went pear shaped.

I liked the idea of Qui Gon Jin but he was dispatched a bit quick. Ideally I'd have preferred something more in line with Neesons portrayal of Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins - maybe less harsh on students though.

 

If people actually paid to see the phantom menace's sequels. attack of the clones and revenge of the sith, then i would say they gave them more than a chance.  Lucas had 3 chances to deliver, we all know the outcome.

Agreed.

 

 

 

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Johnny Ringo said:

Well I loved it the first time I watched it...

Weren't you high as a kite when you first watched it? ;)

 

Oh what a memory you have man. Indeed I was, and what a great experience it was too!! Ha!!

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only character i didn't enjoy was boss nass. otherwise, the battles, podrace, and lightsaber duels made it fun to watch.

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I'm assuming the point is that this is a thread about "Episode 3's Wasted Characters," and all the things you mentioned were from episode one, without so much as a mention of it being so.  I would guess that was what his point was.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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You mean rcb?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Gaffer Tape said:
AxiaEuxine said:

You all KNOW thats not what I meant. I love episode 3. I was commenting on how the audience never gave it a chance, like all the prequels.

Then you obviously haven't been reading any of the posts surrounding yours.  Like the one I wrote directly above yours that said the first time I saw it I was enthralled.  And how about Erikstormtrooper's post right above this one that explains he liked it the first time but after repeat viewings he realized that it wasn't as good as he first thought.  He hit the nail on the head.  It's not a movie that holds up well under close scrutiny.  All of us gave the prequels a chance, otherwise we never would have seen them.  Conversely, I could say that I never gave The Clone Wars a chance because I never bothered to see it.  But since I saw ROTS three times in theatres, I think I gave it quite a large chance.  It is possible that people dislike certain movies not because they have a vendetta against a franchise or fans of a franchise but because they've (objectively as they can) weighed the good against the bad and ultimately decided it's not that good.  Just like I assume you love the prequels and special editions not because you simply love anything that has a Star Wars label attached to it no matter the value but because you honestly believe they're good movies.

 

Gaffer is very correct, Axia. Sometimes it feels you really don't spent a whole lot of time reading other peoples posts. There are quite a few people, I'd actually go as far as to say the majority of vocal members on these boards, who either don't mind the PT or absolutely love it.

Gaffer admitted that he never gave Clone Wars a chance, well where he failed I succeeded, I watched several episodes and commented that it wasn't a half bad show for its intended audience. I found it rather juvenile, but that should be no mark against it as it is juvenile because it is intended for children. Some members here older than myself find it entertaining, that is well and good for them, but I myself found it no more entertaining than I would find any other show intended for kids. I do not watch it and I don't feel like I am missing anything. I gave it plenty of chance, just like I gave the other three movies plenty of chance. I just didn't like them. My opinion. My feelings on the matter. It is fantastic that you love them so much, I just don't. I am sure I like many movies you don't, and I wouldn't even think about second guessing you to say, "Well hell, you just didn't like them because you didn't give them a chance!" If you bothered to pay the price of a movie ticket to sit through the movie you gave it plenty of chance.

More proof that I have given them a chance is the fact that I have defended The Phantom Menace on these boards on multiple occasions.

Another member here named Zombie who you would probably ranked among the rest of us PT haters, has also defended them saying that they are not particularly good films, but they certainly are not the worst ever made as some of us make them out to be. He most certainly gave them a chance, but still didn't think they were all that great.

Sure there are a few around who did not give it a chance, but I'd say that number is a very, very small percentage of us all.

 

 

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Thanks for having my back.  I just want to clarify, though, that I never gave The Clone Wars (film) a chance because I haven't seen it.  I have, however, watched a couple of episodes of the series and enjoyed what I've seen.  Not enough to devoutly follow it, but if I catch it on TV, I won't automatically change the channel.  Just wanted to get that straight.  ^_^

I think nearly all Star Wars fans gave the prequels a chance.  Remember, this board is originaltrilogy.com, not prequelhaters.com.  The main thing that got us together was the irritation at the treatment of the original versions of the original trilogy.  I first found this place in 2004 because of the then new DVDs that I'd heard were going to have even more unnecessary and disrespectful changes.  I hate the special editions, not the prequels.  The thing is that OT purist and PT hater often go hand in hand.  That is, people who have one trait often have the other.  I don't hate the PT.  I probably watch that trilogy a couple of times a year at least.  Not as often as the OT, but I often follow the OT with the PT.  I don't hate the prequels.  I don't think they're wonderful, but I don't hate them.  I resent them more than anything because of what they've done to Star Wars as a whole and how they overshadow and cast their mark on the original trilogy.  They contribute to the alterations of the original films (in 2004), and they're also treated much better than the others.  Therefore they earn my ire.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I'll watch a few scenes from TPM or ROTS once in a blue moon.. Mainly Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan VS Darth Maul, and Vader's injuries and cybernetic recreation from ROTS. I just realized I haven't watched AOTC in a very, very long time. To me it's just a terrible, unsalvagable mess of a film.

Overall... I wouldn't call myself a PT hater so much as someone who is mature enough to see that the OT is far superior in every aspect.

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DoccGero said:

I'll watch a few scenes from TPM or ROTS once in a blue moon.. Mainly Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan VS Darth Maul, and Vader's injuries and cybernetic recreation from ROTS. I just realized I haven't watched AOTC in a very, very long time. To me it's just a terrible, unsalvagable mess of a film.

Overall... I wouldn't call myself a PT hater so much as someone who is mature enough to see that the OT is far superior in every aspect.


 same here

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Grievous was pretty much wasted, I thought.

There seems to be no logical explanation for Yoda and Chewie knowing eachother...

But they should have had Palpatine act a bit more mature.

After he struck Yoda down at the beginning of their battle, he stood there as if he was laughing like some bratty little kid. I now laugh at that scene because it looks so screwed up.

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TheHelmetDork said:

Grievous was pretty much wasted, I thought.

There seems to be no logical explanation for Yoda and Chewie knowing eachother...

But they should have had Palpatine act a bit more mature.

After he struck Yoda down at the beginning of their battle, he stood there as if he was laughing like some bratty little kid. I now laugh at that scene because it looks so screwed up.

The portrayal of Palpatine from his showdown with Windu onwards was awful. Overdone painfully. The Emperor in ROTJ was over the top, but in a way that worked. ROTS's equivalent didn't work. Painful hamming, awful makeup, ruined character. He was so fucking annoying too. The Yoda-Palpatine fight scene was thoroughly lame all around. And it was shown simultaneously with the awful Mustafar showdown, so we got a double dose of awfulness. Complete with extra-pompous music. Terrible filmmaking. So much work was put into that Mustafar scene and it was built up so big and it was totally uninvolving bullcrap. The worst part was probably Anakin ranting, which came of like a pissed off two-year-old trying to do Bad.

 

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Vaderisnothayden said:
TheHelmetDork said:

Grievous was pretty much wasted, I thought.

There seems to be no logical explanation for Yoda and Chewie knowing eachother...

But they should have had Palpatine act a bit more mature.

After he struck Yoda down at the beginning of their battle, he stood there as if he was laughing like some bratty little kid. I now laugh at that scene because it looks so screwed up.

The portrayal of Palpatine from his showdown with Windu onwards was awful. Overdone painfully. The Emperor in ROTJ was over the top, but in a way that worked. ROTS's equivalent didn't work. Painful hamming, awful makeup, ruined character. He was so fucking annoying too. The Yoda-Palpatine fight scene was thoroughly lame all around. And it was shown simultaneously with the awful Mustafar showdown, so we got a double dose of awfulness. Complete with extra-pompous music. Terrible filmmaking. So much work was put into that Mustafar scene and it was built up so big and it was totally uninvolving bullcrap. The worst part was probably Anakin ranting, which came of like a pissed off two-year-old trying to do Bad.

 

The Emperor was poorly acted in ROTJ. Conversely, his lines in ROTS were god awful. I'd argue that he didn't "work" completely in either movie.

 

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Octorox said:
Vaderisnothayden said:
TheHelmetDork said:

Grievous was pretty much wasted, I thought.

There seems to be no logical explanation for Yoda and Chewie knowing eachother...

But they should have had Palpatine act a bit more mature.

After he struck Yoda down at the beginning of their battle, he stood there as if he was laughing like some bratty little kid. I now laugh at that scene because it looks so screwed up.

The portrayal of Palpatine from his showdown with Windu onwards was awful. Overdone painfully. The Emperor in ROTJ was over the top, but in a way that worked. ROTS's equivalent didn't work. Painful hamming, awful makeup, ruined character. He was so fucking annoying too. The Yoda-Palpatine fight scene was thoroughly lame all around. And it was shown simultaneously with the awful Mustafar showdown, so we got a double dose of awfulness. Complete with extra-pompous music. Terrible filmmaking. So much work was put into that Mustafar scene and it was built up so big and it was totally uninvolving bullcrap. The worst part was probably Anakin ranting, which came of like a pissed off two-year-old trying to do Bad.

 

The Emperor was poorly acted in ROTJ. Conversely, his lines in ROTS were god awful. I'd argue that he didn't "work" completely in either movie.

 

 

 he was better in ROTS. though i didn't like the smeagle voice he did and the stupid, 'the force is strong in u..." i guess i liked him more in Episodes I and II. better acting.

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Vaderisnothayden said:
TheHelmetDork said:

Grievous was pretty much wasted, I thought.

There seems to be no logical explanation for Yoda and Chewie knowing eachother...

But they should have had Palpatine act a bit more mature.

After he struck Yoda down at the beginning of their battle, he stood there as if he was laughing like some bratty little kid. I now laugh at that scene because it looks so screwed up.

The portrayal of Palpatine from his showdown with Windu onwards was awful. Overdone painfully. The Emperor in ROTJ was over the top, but in a way that worked. ROTS's equivalent didn't work. Painful hamming, awful makeup, ruined character. He was so fucking annoying too. The Yoda-Palpatine fight scene was thoroughly lame all around. And it was shown simultaneously with the awful Mustafar showdown, so we got a double dose of awfulness. Complete with extra-pompous music. Terrible filmmaking. So much work was put into that Mustafar scene and it was built up so big and it was totally uninvolving bullcrap. The worst part was probably Anakin ranting, which came of like a pissed off two-year-old trying to do Bad.

 

 

Palpatine, when he stood up after deforming himself, looked, to me, very similar to Walter Donovan's dying figure in Indy and the Last Crusade.

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Ugh, another irritating retcon.  It seemed so much cooler when it was always told that years of misuse of the dark side had deformed his face.  And, in another fun example of Lucas making this up on the fly, he was actually going with this story in AOTC, as Palpatine looks much more ragged than he did in ROTS, after Lucas changed his mind.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Gaffer Tape said:

Ugh, another irritating retcon.  It seemed so much cooler when it was always told that years of misuse of the dark side had deformed his face.  And, in another fun example of Lucas making this up on the fly, he was actually going with this story in AOTC, as Palpatine looks much more ragged than he did in ROTS, after Lucas changed his mind.

 

 Is it really a retcon? Where was it official that:

A: The 'Mask Theory' is legit.

or

B: That years of using the darkside had made Palpatine ugly.

I'd always though he was just really, really old in the OT. I don't know if different explanations for ambiguities count as retcons.

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The problem is that the PT had too many wasted characters.  Its like they were just throwing as much out there as possible, hoping something would stick and be memorable. 

<SARCASM>After all Boba Fett wasn't really in the OT that much and everyone loved him, so lots of characters that look cool, but get little screen time must be great! </SARCASM>

Instead of so many throwaway villains, they should of stuck with one or two and carried them through.  I remember that it was suggested on here back in time that it would of been better if Grevious turned out to be Darth Maul.  At least then there would of been a connection between TPM and ROTS and a reason for Obi-Wan to really be after Grevious. 

Another waste of great potential was Dooku. He started out with so much potential, then killed off in the first 10 minutes of ROTS.  Why not carry him through to the end, or maybe have him turn out to be genuinely good, and the only one who realizes what is really going on, and nobody else believes him, turning him into a tragic character? 

Just my thoughts.