jones1899 said:The only things I've successfully done is cut some of the fridge bouncing and rolling and THAT took me a half hour to figure out how to do properly! I wonder if Premiere is overkill for the types of edits I'm looking to make. Is there a more basic and user friendly program for someone like me to use considering I don't need (or know how) to do effects, etc. If I just wanted to cut scenes and audio and change the duration of a scene...
I definitely have even more respect for you guys out there that make this stuff look so easy and professional. No wonder it takes so long to see updates...lol.
I find Womble particularly easy to use, as suggested before. What about Sony Vegas? Most people are using one or the other.
Fanedits Completed:
Godzilla : Zilla
Accountability : No Country For Tommy Lee Jones
A Fistful of Fingers - Preservation
Samantha Darko
Independence Day Redeclared
Thinking about:
Emmerich's Stargate
Here's my (basically finished) Jungle Chase with color-correction and added camera-shake (which might be too much in some parts):
http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=2HU5BTHR
Things left to do: Add missing muzzle flash and shortening the Marion/Spalko-stare.
Laserschwert said:Here's my (basically finished) Jungle Chase with color-correction and added camera-shake (which might be too much in some parts):
http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=2HU5BTHR
Things left to do: Add missing muzzle flash and shortening the Marion/Spalko-stare.
Hey Laser,
Overall it looks pretty good. Just a few comments if you're interested...
- I think the scene of Ox saying, "Henry Jones ... JR." has to go. It's stupid and pointless.
- Could just be me but the contrast seems like it might be too high and something looks a little weird with the yellows.
- When Spalko is hanging from the gun and goes to shoot at Marion the second time, Marion delays too long before ducking.
- Spalko's line, "you fight like a young man..." is lame and poorly delivered. And most of Mutt's balancing on the two cars looks bad. You could probably cut directly from his face being cut as he's pulled up with her sword to him knocking her back to him falling back onto his car just before he rams into the obstacle in the middle of the road and nobody would be the wiser.
- I think there's an extra frame at the cut right after Mutt gets pulled up and looks at the monkey.
- Also, there's something very bizarre about the start of the scene where he blows up the tree cutter. He fires and it seems like the projectile hits the tree cutter and explodes a second later, making it seem like the tree cutter was directly in front of them. But when the plate from the cutter flies back down the narrow road towards them it goes through 3 or 4 vehicles before reaching Indy's car which is so far away that when you see the plate coming from their perspective you can't even see the explosion of the tree cutter in the distance. And it doesn't make much sense that he managed to shoot around 4 other vehicles and WAY down the road to blow up the tree cutter (You'll notice I'm not even bothering to mention the fact that there's parallel roads already there for them to use without the help of the cutter). I'm not entirely sure what can be done about this, but it seems like something should be done about it to have it make a bit more sense.
Otherwise it's really coming along.
Take care,
Ryan
Yeah, there's one rogue frame after Mutt being pulled up, I'll fix that. And you're right, Marion's delay before ducking should be shortened. I'll see what i can do about Oxley's "Henry Jones, Jr." though there's probably continuity errors in Spalko's shots when removing it.
The spatial order in the bazooka-scene actually never bothered me at all, so I'll just leave that part as it is.
Color-wise I think I'm set on this look now... no arguing ;-)
Laser, the edit looks great. I think the scene works much better now and the color correction just seems right - like this is how it should have been from the start.
If it would be possible to lose Ox's "henry jones jr." line, I'd be all for it. Maybe we can have the camera pull in close on him, but then cut away before he delivers the line. As if to give a look to say "Whew, Indy's here to save the day" without saying a word. Might this help eleviate your concern about Spalko?
Also, what are your thoughts on the chase sequence when Spalko threatens Indy to when Mutt swings into action. There seems to be a large gap between her threatening him, the shot of the cars from Mutts view in the trees, Indy's car tires almost over the edge and then Mutt finally swinging in.
Besides those minor things, again this seems right - just how the film should have looked. Nice job and keep up the good work!
List of propsed changes to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Edit-Suggestions/topic/9732/
Laser, fantastic stuff! The colour correction was great, and I loved the removal of Indy's-pants-ripping, as well as those damn CG monkeys! There won't be one CG critter left in your finished product at this rate, and that's a very good thing!
Also, I thought the pacing of the 'wows', said by Mutt and Indy after Mutt swings into action, was much better than in your previous cut of the jungle chase, and seemed 100% natural - you wouldn't realise that a cut was involved there, at all. And, did you shorten the interval between Mutt standing on top of Indy's jeep and Mutt getting caught up in the branch? That was brilliant! It seemed really clumsy before, but now the pacing never slows down, and the chase carries along very nicely!
I have only a few suggestions:
1.) Are you going to restore the missing nozzle-flash to Spalko’s gun just after she shoots at Indy, Mutt and Marion in the jeep, in the brief shot where we cut back to Spalko in her jeep afterwards (she continues to fire briefly, but there is no flash at the end of her gun).
2.) Is it possible to cut straight to Mutt grabbing the handle of the sword he finds in the jeep, rather than first trying to grab the blade, which seems plain stupid on his part (especially as it was revealed earlier in the film that he was an accomplished fencer/good with blades - he should know better!).
3.) Also, I completely agree with a previous poster that it would be better to cut out all instances of Mutt doing the splits – this cut could possibly be made, from when Spalko cuts his face straight into him falling down onto the other jeep. Even athough in your edit Mutt doesn't get stupidly hit in the crotch, him still doing the splits continues to seem farfetched and silly, in my opinon.
Finally, with regards to cutting out Ox saying 'Henry Jones...Junior!', I'm neutral either way, but if it had to be dropped, couldn't you remove that whole scene (the close-up of Ox)? Before that scene, there is a close-up of Spalko, and after it, there is another shot up-close at Spalko's face - could these two before-and-after shots of Spalko around Ox's scene not be spliced together, like you have done with other scenes in the jungle chase? That way, you could completely remove Ox's 'Henry Jones Junior' line, and it may actually improve the pacing, with things starting off much faster.
Brilliant stuff though, man!
Hello everybody, I'm a long time reader and first time poster - I finally had to leave a comment here because of Laserschwert's new jungle chase version: That's great stuff! I wish I had seen that in the theatre! The annoying sillyness is gone, the color looks much more natural and the edit seems smoother and better timed to me than the original version (which I haven't watched for some time now). Wow!
topdawg193 said:Laser, fantastic stuff! The colour correction was great, and I loved the removal of Indy's-pants-ripping, as well as those damn CG monkeys! There won't be one CG critter left in your finished product at this rate, and that's a very good thing!
Also, I thought the pacing of the 'wows', said by Mutt and Indy after Mutt swings into action, was much better than in your previous cut of the jungle chase, and seemed 100% natural - you wouldn't realise that a cut was involved there, at all. And, did you shorten the interval between Mutt standing on top of Indy's jeep and Mutt getting caught up in the branch? That was brilliant! It seemed really clumsy before, but now the pacing never slows down, and the chase carries along very nicely!
I have only a few suggestions:
1.) Are you going to restore the missing nozzle-flash to Spalko’s gun just after she shoots at Indy, Mutt and Marion in the jeep, in the brief shot where we cut back to Spalko in her jeep afterwards (she continues to fire briefly, but there is no flash at the end of her gun).
2.) Is it possible to cut straight to Mutt grabbing the handle of the sword he finds in the jeep, rather than first trying to grab the blade, which seems plain stupid on his part (especially as it was revealed earlier in the film that he was an accomplished fencer/good with blades - he should know better!).
3.) Also, I completely agree with a previous poster that it would be better to cut out all instances of Mutt doing the splits – this cut could possibly be made, from when Spalko cuts his face straight into him falling down onto the other jeep. Even athough in your edit Mutt doesn't get stupidly hit in the crotch, him still doing the splits continues to seem farfetched and silly, in my opinon.Finally, with regards to cutting out Ox saying 'Henry Jones...Junior!', I'm neutral either way, but if it had to be dropped, couldn't you remove that whole scene (the close-up of Ox)? Before that scene, there is a close-up of Spalko, and after it, there is another shot up-close at Spalko's face - could these two before-and-after shots of Spalko around Ox's scene not be spliced together, like you have done with other scenes in the jungle chase? That way, you could completely remove Ox's 'Henry Jones Junior' line, and it may actually improve the pacing, with things starting off much faster.
Brilliant stuff though, man!
Actually I didn't change the "Wow"-timing since my last edit, but thanks anyway ;-)
And yes, I DID remove a shot of Mutt standing up on the jeep (which came right before Indy babbling a warning). It looked very clumsy, as he was already looking forward in that shot, and in the next shot (after the warning) he's turning around again. I think now it flows much better.
1. Yes, the muzzle-flash will be added
2. No, I won't change that... after all he just might want to check if the blade is actually sharp... or something like that.
3. I really would like to keep that part... although it'd be better if it felt more dangerous. I'm not sure yet.
Sadly the splicing of the two Spalko shots before and after Ox's "Henry Jones, Jr." doesn't match... it was a huge coincidence that it worked with Mutt's 360°-shot, but this time there'd be a jump (the guys running in the background are further away in the second shot). Plus Ox isn't pausing enough before and after his sentence to just use a short bit of him, so I'll just leave it as it is.
Laserschwert said:Sadly the splicing of the two Spalko shots before and after Ox's "Henry Jones, Jr." doesn't match... it was a huge coincidence that it worked with Mutt's 360°-shot, but this time there'd be a jump (the guys running in the background are further away in the second shot). Plus Ox isn't pausing enough before and after his sentence to just use a short bit of him, so I'll just leave it as it is.
Just a thought here, Laser.
If you cut from the shot through Spalko's legs looking at Indy coming in the duck directly to her close-up yelling as she runs towards the vehicle (which comes right after Ox's offending line) it seems to flow smoothly with no continuity problems.
Ryan
Nice. It works a lot better this way.
A few thoughts.
I know you want to remove as much CG creatures as possible, but I would have liked to at least seen a bit of Mutt swinging through the jungle. Cut as you have it now, you get a WTH moment when he pops out all of a sudden on a vine.
The other thing, and I promise it's the last time I'll say it... it's just too bright. I don't know if you're exceeding 235 for your whitest white point or if they used so much HDR lighting that removing the color overbrightens things, but it's unpleasant.
There are some scenes that are almost completely washed out like the mothership is beaming them up.
I'm actually thinking leaving a LITTLE of the color tint to the scenes wouldn't be so bad. Just remove the murkiness. At the moment it looks like the jungle is lit by fluorescents.
Dr. M
Doctor M said:Nice. It works a lot better this way.
A few thoughts.
I know you want to remove as much CG creatures as possible, but I would have liked to at least seen a bit of Mutt swinging through the jungle. Cut as you have it now, you get a WTH moment when he pops out all of a sudden on a vine.
The other thing, and I promise it's the last time I'll say it... it's just too bright. I don't know if you're exceeding 235 for your whitest white point or if they used so much HDR lighting that removing the color overbrightens things, but it's unpleasant.
There are some scenes that are almost completely washed out like the mothership is beaming them up.
I'm actually thinking leaving a LITTLE of the color tint to the scenes wouldn't be so bad. Just remove the murkiness. At the moment it looks like the jungle is lit by fluorescents.
I've rewatched this a few times and I have to agree with DoctorM on the color. Overall it is MUCH better than the original and more in line with the OT, however, specular highlights are overblown, which is particularly noticeable in the highlights on skin, which show up as slightly too-yellow flat patches that almost seem to have a defined edge rather than blending into the surrounding skin. You're really almost there Laser. I think a few tweaks to resolve the appearance of highlights on the skin, which I think are the most significant problem, would probably fix the rest of the overblown spots scattered throughout the sequence.
Take care,
Ryan
Oh, in case it needed to be said, I don't agree with DoctorM on the vine swinging bit at all. I like that gone and forgotten.
However, while I was watching the sequence for color it occured to me that it might look better to move the shot out from the trees of the vehicles driving along the edge of the cliff to right before Mutt swings out. It doesn't look like it would cause any continuity problems and would seem to make more sense as Mutt's point of view right before we see him swing out. As it is now, that shot is disjointed from his swinging out, which seems to come out of nowhere.
Ryan
any chance of some screen caps? [for the new jungle chase] - 200+ mb seems a bit excessive for a preview - at least on my connection speed.
Johnny Ringo said:any chance of some screen caps? [for the new jungle chase] - 200+ mb seems a bit excessive for a preview - at least on my connection speed.
The caps I've posted earlier are from my current edit, so there you have it ;)
Regarding the color: Of course I'm exceeding 235 for the whites, as this thing isn't supposed to be watched on a TV yet... I'm surprised that you get overblown whites though, and I think I'll blame your screens for it ;) Okay, okay, I'll shift down the white-point for my next version. But color-wise (i.e. not brightness-wise) the movie looks the way I want now.
Back to the Ox-removal: I really like all of the shots of Spalko around that Ox-shot, especially the camera closing in on her and her holding on to the skull. Just has this "don't dare to touch it!"-look on her face... love it! You can always remove the line in your edit ;)
And no, no vine swinging of Mutt... NO... I might consider moving the POV-shot from out of the jungle around... I'll see what that looks like.
okay then.
Laserschwert, when Indy cuts himself loose in the truck you could perhaps add the sound of the knife's blade snapping in. After Mutt asks "You got it?"
Without the "ouch". ;)
Any thoughts on my comments regarding the pacing of the cliff's edge scene?
Spalko threatens indy verbally in Russian as if she's fixing to kock him over the side, but then the chae goes on for several seconds before Mutt comes in. It would play better if that gap was smaller? Am I making any sense?
Also, is it common for edits to be done without sound first? Just the get the visuals done. Or is the audio and video usually done int tandem? I'm getting good with the video but I suck at the audio.
List of propsed changes to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Edit-Suggestions/topic/9732/
To have the video and audio stay in sync I always edit both at the same time... further changes to the audio can always be done afterwards.
Gotcha. I think I'm gonna try my hand at the obelisk sand puzzle. I think I have a way to make it seem as though Indy is infact the one that solves the puzzle and not dumbass Ox. This might be a good test for me considering it all takes place in one tight area.
Here goes nothing...
List of propsed changes to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Edit-Suggestions/topic/9732/
Beam me up! My agent can't get me out of this crappy movie.
Don't you hate people that drive with their high beams on.
I could pull stills like this from the clip all day.
Dr. M
Doctor M said:Beam me up! My agent can't get me out of this crappy movie.
Don't you hate people that drive with their high beams on.
I could pull stills like this from the clip all day.
Hey DoctorM,
Laser has already said he's going to work with the brightness. I think your comments are kinda verging on insulting and are unnecessary. His color correction looks boatloads better than the original, he just needs to work with the brightness settings. No need to be sarcastic about this one issue while ignoring the rest of the good work he has done.
Ryan
I was just responding to his comment:
I'm surprised that you get overblown whites though, and I think I'll blame your screens for it.
@Laserschwert: If you found my posting of screenshots insulting, I apologize.
(Edited to be less catty.)
Dr. M
Doctor M said:Beam me up! My agent can't get me out of this crappy movie.
Don't you hate people that drive with their high beams on.
I could pull stills like this from the clip all day.
Laserschwert, I thought your main aim was in adjusting the contrast and brightness of the shots to eliminate glows around everything? Is that still a priority? - I figured you'd tackle that first. These shots also look very green to my eyes.
Since the dodgy green tint on the film is fairly uniform maybe it would be simpler to do all the cuts and trims first and then tackle all the visual [color et al] tweaks at the end in one hit.
[yeah, i know these are images posted by a third party.]
Oh, I'm not insulted at all... actually you're criticising the sun for being so bright... damn you, sun!!
@JohnnyRingo:
I AM doing my color correction after the editing, it's only like flipping a switch (an no, not a light switch... before anyone makes that joke).
By the way, this is how those frames looked originally:
See? Just as overblown... only they colored those whites yellow... yay! Anyway, it's understandable that they had difficulties shooting this, as the contrast between filming in the shadow and in the sunlight is huge... and having it all change in a matter of frames? Of course they couldn't adjust the cameras to this.