His sister, Beru could be in it, and you could for sure have his future wife. I think you need her in it as much as possible to make the love stort convincing. They need to have important scenes together....Not this:
Padme - "Anakin you'll always be that little boy I knew on Tattooine."
5 mins later...
Anakin - "Wanna screw?" Padme - "Sure."
I think you need her in it as much as possible to make the love stort convincing. They need to have important scenes together..
I think the classic hate/love story (ala Han/Leia) could also work between Anakin and his futur wife in NPT EP1... but if you ask me, I don't even think they have to be married at some point at all.
But I think the "impossible love story" that Lucas tried to sell us could work if done the write way.
You know: first they hate each other and the moment they finaly get close some event separates them. But whereas in the OT the love story turns well in the end (with Leia rescuing Han), In the NPT the love story turns bad. Anakin arrives too late to save his love (maybe because of Obi-Wan's order to follow another mission or something like that). Just an idea.
It's not very original, but with love story the big deal is making the dialogue believable or at least not too embarassing; and the situation must be desperate.
TMBTM said:I think you need her in it as much as possible to make the love stort convincing. They need to have important scenes together..
I think the classic hate/love story (ala Han/Leia) could also work between Anakin and his futur wife in NPT EP1... but if you ask me, I don't even think they have to be married at some point at all.
But I think the "impossible love story" that Lucas tried to sell us could work if done the write way.
You know: first they hate each other and the moment they finaly get close some event separates them. But whereas in the OT the love story turns well in the end (with Leia rescuing Han), In the NPT the love story turns bad. Anakin arrives too late to save his love (maybe because of Obi-Wan's order to follow another mission or something like that). Just an idea.
It's not very original, but with love story the big deal is making the dialogue believable or at least not too embarassing; and the situation must be desperate.
The forbidden love story I would have done would have been along the lines that Leia/Luke's mum is set to enter an arranged marriage with Bail when they meet (Royal houses still go in for that sort of thing so why not now, something similar helped kick off World War One http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie,_Duchess_of_Hohenberg and made us Brits swap monarchs before World War Two http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchess_of_Windsor).
Anakin and her falling in love would be the ideal complication rather than the Thorn Birds style angle they used in the official prequels.
If Bail went through with the marriage even though she was already pregnant would help him palm Leia off officially his daughter as opposed to an adopted one.
She could die after the establishment of the Empire and remarry so Leia get's a stepmother which Luke can later specifically rule out in his conversation about Leia's real mother.
mrbenja0618, if you read my synopsis a few pages back, Beru does play a part, not MAJOR, but I would still say she is important.
Bingowings - Yes, I've been thinking about moving up the introduction of not-padme. I'm not sure we need more royalty, but I was kind of fond of her being Bail's woman. Way back someone mentioned that Bail wasn't on Alderaan when his father is killed, because he has no intrest in being king. How about this as part of my synopsis?
Obiwan and Anakin track down Bail's entourage. A woman cuts them off from entering the room and questions why they need to see Bail. Anakin tries to be smooth and ease his way past her. She clocks him and he hits the ground HARD. She repeats, " I asked...nicely...What's your business here?" Obiwan explains that it has to do with Bail's father and then helps Anakin to his feet, "Didn't see that one coming?" Anakin replies, "You show me any man who can read a woman." Obiwan smile, "Come on." As they are led into the room, Anakin rubs his pain and whispers to Obiwan, "I think I'm in love."
When they speak to Bail, Obiwan tells him calmly about the invasion of Alderaan. Bail is shocked and doesn't know what to do. Obiwan says that he should come with them to Coruscant. His droid, c3p0, tells him that it is his responsibility as the new king to survive and should NOT put himself into harm's way. Anakin makes an impassioned speech about how it is his responsibility to help his people. They should be placed before even his own life. Bail doesn't seem to be interested in putting ANYTHING before HIS life. When the woman from the entrance sides with Obiwan and Anakin and Bail notice a glance shared between her and Anakin, hehanges his tune and decides to go with them (only to impress her).
This way we can have an interesting arc for Bail. He can start as a reluctant leader who doesn't really care for his people (not a jerk, just someone who would rather be free of ANY responsibility) and grow into that man who would kneel before the emperor for the good of his people and still be part of the rebellion behind the emperor's back for the good of ALL.
Blackhawk, I'm starting to think you're really 1976 George Lucas who has time-travelled here to see where he is in life at this point, and seeing what has happened, is trying to fix everything while remaining anonymous.
My point is, good idea.
HAHA...thanks.
Now if only I was still using that same checking account number.....hmmmm.
;-)
WheresBlackhawk said:mrbenja0618, if you read my synopsis a few pages back, Beru does play a part, not MAJOR, but I would still say she is important.
Bingowings - Yes, I've been thinking about moving up the introduction of not-padme. I'm not sure we need more royalty, but I was kind of fond of her being Bail's woman. Way back someone mentioned that Bail wasn't on Alderaan when his father is killed, because he has no intrest in being king. How about this as part of my synopsis?
Obiwan and Anakin track down Bail's entourage. A woman cuts them off from entering the room and questions why they need to see Bail. Anakin tries to be smooth and ease his way past her. She clocks him and he hits the ground HARD. She repeats, " I asked...nicely...What's your business here?" Obiwan explains that it has to do with Bail's father and then helps Anakin to his feet, "Didn't see that one coming?" Anakin replies, "You show me any man who can read a woman." Obiwan smile, "Come on." As they are led into the room, Anakin rubs his pain and whispers to Obiwan, "I think I'm in love."
When they speak to Bail, Obiwan tells him calmly about the invasion of Alderaan. Bail is shocked and doesn't know what to do. Obiwan says that he should come with them to Coruscant. His droid, c3p0, tells him that it is his responsibility as the new king to survive and should NOT put himself into harm's way. Anakin makes an impassioned speech about how it is his responsibility to help his people. They should be placed before even his own life. Bail doesn't seem to be interested in putting ANYTHING before HIS life. When the woman from the entrance sides with Obiwan and Anakin and Bail notice a glance shared between her and Anakin, hehanges his tune and decides to go with them (only to impress her).
This way we can have an interesting arc for Bail. He can start as a reluctant leader who doesn't really care for his people (not a jerk, just someone who would rather be free of ANY responsibility) and grow into that man who would kneel before the emperor for the good of his people and still be part of the rebellion behind the emperor's back for the good of ALL.
Sophia wasn't of high enough rank and to marry the Archduke which caused a scandal which resulted in the security being taken off their visit to Sarajevo and allowed their assassination to happen (starting World War I) so I'm ok with her being not a very high aristocrat but I'd prefer her to be high enough for Bail to know her well enough to be interested.
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What if Notpadme survives all the way passed the creation of the Empire only to be assassinated in a reverse JFK scene when Leia is about 3yrs old.
Palpatine could hire some "famous bounty hunter" to knock her off (pushing Anakin further off the edge) and make it look like a botched attempt to take out Viceroy Antilles on his coronation day and blame it on the Rebels (it would give bucket head something to do more in his idiom than being a cell donor or playing bodyguard to a giant slug).
That would add some irony to Vader hiring him in Episode V.
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Padme in the original trilogy is a part time Queen in a very odd form of monarchy. It lends a sense of credibilty to a fantasy if it's based on structures grounded in reality, who's heard of a monarchy of elected little girls?
Princes do marry showgirls but it's very rare.
Il ove your idea of Bail being a reluctant Viceroy it adds depth to his character.
Food for thought for tonight:
What if the Jedi were destined to fall? The same for the Emperor? Why did Luke survive?
"Balance to the Force" - maybe Lucas had something here.
I'm noticing this idea creeping into my thoughts for the NPT. Yoda always said, "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." BUT that's not really true. Luke had several dark moments in ROTJ to be at least considered STARTING down that path. He nearly killed his own father in anger, but was able to pull himself back. Not exactly FOREVER DOMINATING.
So what I'm saying is... What if the Jedi were wrong? What if the Emperor was wrong too? All people have good and bad sides. The really messed up ones are the ones who completely surpress or ignore the EXISTENCE of either side. If you go through life NEVER getting angry, you will probably just explode one day (its in there whether you acknowledge it or not). If you go through life ALWAYS angry, you will probably end up creating MORE reasons to be angry and self-destruct. This idea was even coming out in my outlines. Yoda had basically banished himself to Dagobah to hold back the darkness.
Maybe Luke is what the Force needed. Someone who could recognize the darkness within himself, not deny it and still make the right decisions. He would be whole and stronger for it. MAYBE that even explains the lightsabers. Jedi had blue and Vader had red. Both are primary colors and can indicate a singular focus. Luke's lightsaber was green, a mixed color, a blended focus. Maybe if Luke had done as Yoda said he would have been just as doomed as if he had become the Emperor's new servant.
The really messed up ones are the ones who completely surpress or ignore the EXISTENCE of either side. If you go through life NEVER getting angry, you will probably just explode one day
I think it's what Lucas TRIED to show us in the PT. I mean, to me Yoda telling Anakin that he must accept the lost of the ones he loves is one of the few really good moments in the PT. You can see that Anakin is starting to think "being a Jedi really begins to suck..." And it was one of this moment that rings an OT bell with Luke trying to save Han and Leia in ESB despite Yoda's speech.
That makes me think about a new "point of view" about the NPT: what if the script gives the audience the feeling that Anakin MUST turn to the dark side, that it is the GOOD thing to do. That the Emperor is WRITE to eliminate those religious JEDI guys?
I would like that the audience also turns to the dark side at some point of the movie!
Of course by the end of the third episode the audience must feel that the Empire is not a good thing for the galaxy either.
TMBTM-In my Ep2, Palpatine does appear to be the right man to lead the republic (I'm not sure if his true agenda should be revealed in which movie, but leading toward Ep3) and Anakin doesn't exactly "choose" the dark side, but he does reject the Jedi and leaves the order (the twist is its an amiable separation).
TMBTM-In my Ep2, Palpatine does appear to be the right man to lead the republic (I'm not sure if his true agenda should be revealed in which movie, but leading toward Ep3) and Anakin doesn't exactly "choose" the dark side, but he does reject the Jedi and leaves the order (the twist is its an amiable separation).
Very good IMO. :)
What I'm saying is that I'd like to see, at some point, Anakin doing evil things, knowing it's evil, but doing it no matter what because the events leads him to think that it's the write thing to do. And the audience shares his feelings (like in a vengeance movie ala Kill Bill, I don't know). I'd almost want the audience to scream with joy when the Jedi are killed; then suddenly feel ashamed for that. And I think the killing of the Jedi kids could be useful here.
Like: "yeah, kill all those fucking Jedi Anakin!"....."Oh shit, he also kill the kids? I did not want it to go that far..." I'd want the audience to experience the "angry, attractive and fun" side of the dark side, immediatly followed by its bitter taste.
and from that moment the story reveals the ugly side of the Empire. Anakin is too blind to see it though.
EDIT: sorry, it's getting harder and harder to follow the discussion and to make myself clear with my english. I'll try to make even shorter posts.
People that are convinced that they themselves have the highest morals and values are the ones that most often commit evil crimes. They are good so whatever they do is justified and is for the greater good.
So I have a question. I know a few on here mentioned they have done 3d animation. So, my question is...How feasable is this?
Can anyone create an example clip of something so that we could see possibilities?
I really don't think we can pull this off using 3D animation, at least not exclusively.
I'd say 2D for everything but the space scenes/battles (kinda like Futurama, but with less Simpson-ey animation), or 2D all the way through.
2d? Seriously? Does anyone know how to do that? I would actually think that would be harder. Perhaps I'm wrong.
And I've said this before; we should really look into Iclone. I'm trying to learn it, but it could work for what we're doing.
mrbenja0618 said:2d? Seriously? Does anyone know how to do that? I would actually think that would be harder. Perhaps I'm wrong.
flash? 2D is a lot easier.
3D animation is incredibly difficult. Why would 2D be harder? Look at animated TV. How much of it is animated in 2D? Family Guy, The Simpsons, Futurama, King of the Hill, almost any Adult Swim show (Robot Chicken doesn't count, it's stop-motion), et cetera. And how many 3D-animated TV shows do you know? Clone Wars ... um ... yeah. Not to say that Futurama and occasionally Simpsons don't use 3D animation, but it's mostly 2D.
I use TV as an example because of the volume of work they have to do each year - think of that, and think of us doing 3 two-hour movies. We do want to finish this in our lifetimes.
I also room with an animation student. Trust me, it would be a lot easier to do 2D animation than 3D.
ChainsawAsh said:3D animation is incredibly difficult. Why would 2D be harder? Look at animated TV. How much of it is animated in 2D? Family Guy, The Simpsons, Futurama, King of the Hill, almost any Adult Swim show (Robot Chicken doesn't count, it's stop-motion), et cetera. And how many 3D-animated TV shows do you know? Clone Wars ... um ... yeah. Not to say that Futurama and occasionally Simpsons don't use 3D animation, but it's mostly 2D.
I use TV as an example because of the volume of work they have to do each year - think of that, and think of us doing 3 two-hour movies. We do want to finish this in our lifetimes.
I also room with an animation student. Trust me, it would be a lot easier to do 2D animation than 3D.
There is a precedent for this sort of project being done in a mixture of 2D and 3D.
The television show Doctor Who started in 1963 but many episodes were lost forever because the master tapes were taped over to save money.
However the soundtracks still exist (largely because of people taping the audio off the television set) and there are groups working on animating the missing episodes by dividing the labour).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jun/26/bbc.doctorwho
They have the acting, the sound design, the look of the thing and scripts done before they started.
It's more important to get the ideas together, then the script, then the audio play and then we can start looking at what animation style to use.
At the moment we have nothing but a few story ideas floating in the air.
ChainsawAsh said:3D animation is incredibly difficult. Why would 2D be harder? Look at animated TV. How much of it is animated in 2D? Family Guy, The Simpsons, Futurama, King of the Hill, almost any Adult Swim show (Robot Chicken doesn't count, it's stop-motion), et cetera. And how many 3D-animated TV shows do you know? Clone Wars ... um ... yeah. Not to say that Futurama and occasionally Simpsons don't use 3D animation, but it's mostly 2D.
I use TV as an example because of the volume of work they have to do each year - think of that, and think of us doing 3 two-hour movies. We do want to finish this in our lifetimes.
I also room with an animation student. Trust me, it would be a lot easier to do 2D animation than 3D.
Fair enough. So who here does 2d?
A mix between the 2 technics seams a good choice. The hardest in 3D is to make realistic human characters and to animate them properly, that is why they go for the very design look for the 3D Clone Wars series.
I guess I could say: landscapes and interiors in 3D and photoshop matte painting, and characters in 2D (exept some creatures that can be made in 3D then transform with a 2D treatment).
TMBTM said:A mix between the 2 technics seams a good choice. The hardest in 3D is to make realistic human characters and to animate them properly, that is why they go for the very design look for the 3D Clone Wars series.
I guess I could say: landscapes and interiors in 3D and photoshop matte painting, and characters in 2D (exept some creatures that can be made in 3D then transform with a 2D treatment).
I really liked the style of the Genndy Clone Wars. Perhaps we could try to emulate that?
TMBTM - I think you got the right idea there.
Octorox - I don't mind the Genndy animation CONCEPT, but I think we would need our own STYLE to differentiate our story from the official stuff.
This thread is AWESOME and I would like nothing more than to play a part in this braintrust.
Here are some questions that might lead down interesting paths.
-What if the Jedi deserved to be destroyed? What if they, as a religion, were too powerful, too comfortable, and many of them were turning their back on the true path? I'm inspired by the medieval Catholic church, where the clergy weilded more power than kings and more than half of all priests and most popes had illigetimate kids. Perhaps a handful of Jedi, like Quigon, might still be faithful, but as a whole it's a decaying institution. This would put Luke as the start of a fresh, pure Jedi order.
-What if the Republic was hopelessly corrupt as well? What if Anakin and Obiwan were part of a valid revolution, but where Obiwan was on the side to redeem and reform the Republic, whereas Anakin finds himself more in the 'burn it all, behead your enemies, reform a dictatorship' camp. (A little Oliver Cromwell. a little Napoleon)
-What if Anakin, publicly as Anakin, was leader of the Storm Troopers, President Palpatine's personal security force? He eventually renounces the Jedi and becomes head of this 'Secret Police' (very Nazi Brownshirts). He could even wear a white, helmetless version of the Vader armor. If the Jedi are outlawed, he could lead the hunt for them as Anakin, not becoming Vader until Obiwan makes him all crippleified.
-I think Anakin doesn't need to get married. Maybe he doesn't even KNOW his lady is pregnant, since their affair is secret anyways. Maybe she's married. Maybe Bail Organa can't have kids, and his wife is schtupping a Jedi on the side, and he's fine with it.
-What if Anakin never even becomes a Jedi? Obiwan meets him, they become buddies, and then Obiwan tries to instruct him in the Force, and Anakin just goes bad from the start? I don't love this idea, but I think there's nothing in the OT that says Anakin had to be a Jedi.
TheBoost - Sorry, Dude...
Obiwan in ANH, "I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father."