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On vacation in Palm Springs. :)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Ah, I hope that's fun.  Enjoy the rain!  At least, I think it's raining there too...

 

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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MeBe, given that the GOUT is a somewhat acceptable, official archive of the OT (no matter what the quality), the only part of the LDs that has never been released is the opening crawl from ANH.  If the XØ has the crawl completed, we'd be able to create our own edit using the rest of the GOUT. 

If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…

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The Gout is completely unaceptable.  Especially the dvnr on star wars.

Non Anamorphic less than DVD quality.

I'm Suprised more fans and critics are not as outraged as i am.

Lucas releases a 1993 quality release in 2006, he basically put out a subtandard and obsolete product.  He released a 20th century quality of a movie in the 21st century not up to standard.

The cheapskate should pay for a 4k archival scan of the originals by Robert Harris.  I mean we all paid to see his worthless prequel movies its only fair.

Then put out a blu ray release and a dvd release simultaneously.

Then the fans who want the originals like me in exceptable quality will shut up and go on our merry way while he continues to Tinker with his silly cgi.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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But the Gout is about the equivalence of a raw X0 capture from the Definitive Collection. (I know the X0 team claims their capture is better but I figure it's close enough to call it even.) Basically, what the Gout (and the X0 gives) is the quality of the 1993 master without analogue video noise dotcrawl, or other junk present in most laserdisc/vcr playback. It's a lot easier to see the smearing on the Gout than my cowclops (anyone else not like that name?) dvd's because the whole picture on those has more blur, further made worse by digital compression and the double black bars. (which should have been fixed) I don't think Sansweet was lying at all about the 2006 dvd's when he said he had never seen the original movies look better.

The thing that makes a picture look good is lack of interference, generation loss or blockiness and other junk. The Gout has virtually none of this that was not already present on the '93 master.

I'm still looking forward to this because I think this is the only project sourced solely from oot footage to have a chance of beating the Gout.

The only way we could get a better video source beyond this project would be if there was some way to get a hold of the Special Collection, Pal THX and THX fullscreen master tapes. Or the anamorphic video master of the '97 versions that was used in Empire of Dreams.

Take back the trilogy. Execute Order '77

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Knightmessenger said:

But the Gout is about the equivalence of a raw X0 capture from the Definitive Collection. (I know the X0 team claims their capture is better but I figure it's close enough to call it even.) Basically, what the Gout (and the X0 gives) is the quality of the 1993 master without analogue video noise dotcrawl, or other junk present in most laserdisc/vcr playback. It's a lot easier to see the smearing on the Gout than my cowclops (anyone else not like that name?) dvd's because the whole picture on those has more blur, further made worse by digital compression and the double black bars. (which should have been fixed) I don't think Sansweet was lying at all about the 2006 dvd's when he said he had never seen the original movies look better.

The thing that makes a picture look good is lack of interference, generation loss or blockiness and other junk. The Gout has virtually none of this that was not already present on the '93 master.

 

I agree with you- the GOUT looks far better to me than my Faces and DC laserdiscs on my Pioneer cld-d703. 

Don't misunderstand me- I'm not saying the GOUT looks great or even acceptable, but I can't afford an X0 or X9 player and so for me, the GOUT is currently the best available way to watch the OOT (and to be totally honest- I'm still not buying the idea that the LDs played on an X0 look better than the GOUT until I see it with my own eyes).

All the GOUT's flaws are also apparent to me on the Faces/DC discs (including the aliasing) and the LDs as played on my LD player just adds another layer of haze to the mix. As you said, the video master's flaws are sort of blurred on the LDs because of the format's inherent fuzziness- but they're still there- just fuzzier, along with everything else.

 

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ummm, did either of you read the whole of the X0 topic?  I think you both might have missed a post or two, especially the ones that mention the whole 'black magic' process that Laserman came up with (brilliant stuff!).

The X0 team have stated many, many times that they are using material from a number of LD sources, not just the Def Col.  The whole reason for doing this was to get rid of that poxy DVNR smearing that we all hate.  They have also posted a number of pics (which I can't find at the moment) which show the results of combining together multiple captures from different LD sources.  The results of which are frankly quite awesome to look at and worth searching the forum for.

I will agree with you though that the LD's are softer than the GOUT and this does hide some of the THX nasties a bit.

If television is chewing gum for the mind, then the prequels are the worlds first visual laxative.

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Orinoco_Womble said:

ummm, did either of you read the whole of the X0 topic?  I think you both might have missed a post or two, especially the ones that mention the whole 'black magic' process that Laserman came up with (brilliant stuff!).

 

Knightmessenger and I have been posting in this thread since 2005/2006!!!!!!

I was just responding to Knightmessenger's comments about the LDs vs. the Gout.

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I for one think that the work being done on this project is amazing.  I haven't been on this site in awhile, and I am very excited to see the care and detail and unbelievable amount of work going into making the best, truest preservation of the original.  I can't wait to see how it comes out (I only wish I understood half of the technical terms being discussed here).

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Many apologies Mielr and Knightmessenger.  I had misread your post (I was very tired on Friday evening) and the way I'd read it, I thought that you were saying that the X0 project was solely using the Def Col for the transfer.

Knightmessenger and I have been posting in this thread since 2005/2006!!!!!!

WOW!  Six, cont em', six exclamation marks!  Think I might have touched a nerve there :/

 

smithersthree said: (I only wish I understood half of the technical terms being discussed here).

Yeah, I can relate to this.  It took me a little while work work out what people were talking about too.  If it helps, Moth3r posted this which I found very useful as a starting point.

If television is chewing gum for the mind, then the prequels are the worlds first visual laxative.

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Orinoco_Womble said:

Many apologies Mielr and Knightmessenger.  I had misread your post (I was very tired on Friday evening) and the way I'd read it, I thought that you were saying that the X0 project was solely using the Def Col for the transfer.

Mielr said:

Knightmessenger and I have been posting in this thread since 2005/2006!!!!!!

WOW!  Six, cont em', six exclamation marks!  Think I might have touched a nerve there :/

 

Nope, no nerves touched. The button got stuck. ;-)

Your original post just came off as a tad condescending- but I understand that you were tired (it happens to all of us), so apology accepted. 

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The fact that this thread is still going proves -  at least to me - that part of its goal will be accomplished.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Haven't been here for a while so sorry if it has been answered before. But today I got scared when I found out that http://www.x0project.com doesn't longer exist :( Does it mean a death verdict to this project ?

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I'm a bit worried about Zion. Has anyone heard from him lately?

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Orinoco_Womble said:

The X0 team have stated many, many times that they are using material from a number of LD sources, not just the Def Col.  The whole reason for doing this was to get rid of that poxy DVNR smearing that we all hate.  They have also posted a number of pics (which I can't find at the moment) which show the results of combining together multiple captures from different LD sources. 

Don't worry it's no biggie but what I pointed out was that the raw X0 capture is probably about even with the Gout. Now removing scratches and combining it with X0 footage of the Special Collection to remove DVNR will yield much better results than the official Lucasfilm "bonus" discs. (although the Gout is probably a pretty good source to use for any oot restoration)

I do believe there is one thing a little different on the Gout. It appears they did a very quick fix to lower the black levels on the picture. This made the black bars actually black and fixed what had been a pretty washed out picture in some parts. However I think this accentuated the grain and made it stand out more. So the battle in the snow on Hoth and the Tantive IV showed this the most. Still I have to imagine it wouldn't be hard to filter out with todays technology. 
I really hope they haven't given up on this though. I'm sure the work they did could be carried on by someone else. What we need to know is how far along the X0 team got. Was it ever in a format that could easily be burned to a dvd?

I mean this in absolutely no disrespect to the X0 team. I hope they all are doing well and in good health. But it has been about almost 4 years since I believe they started this. I know they wanted to wait until it was complete to release it to the community but I think they should seriously consider making whatever they've got available. (Even if they still want to continue with the project.) I believe that while a perfect video restoration would be ideal,  I think that it would be no shame in having an intermediate stop-gap release so we can have something at least be better than the Gout. This is too promising to just let go and I think the X0 team has spent plenty of hours that they deserve to have a product to show. It was the previous laserdisc bootlegs that finally convinced Lucas to allow the unaltered release in 2006. I think that having a higher quality OOT transfer floating around would push Lucas a little to do a better transfer of the originals for the blu-ray. I'm certain that plenty of LFL employees are looking at gushing over Adywan's versions and might feel pushed more to fix the really bad mistakes from 2004.  

I have many of the screenshots and other captures posted by the X0 team. I'd be willing to repost them (as long as they don't mind) but they're on another computer and I've had trouble getting images to imbed here ever since the new software. (see my recent post on "Shroud of the Darkside")

Take back the trilogy. Execute Order '77

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Such a shame... :(

 

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Just checked the website and it is up and running.  Temporary server issue perhaps?

Of course this still means little, as we've yet to hear any official news that things are moving along again. :(

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just let this thread die already please.....its over dont you get it?

 

Zion is gone. Gone for good. X0 is dead. R.I.P.

 

All you bored people that nothing better to do then to visit this board day in and day out can spam some other thread......this thread is all done...dont you get it?

 

Give this project a rest please.

 

 

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.

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I love how you go from kiss-ass to ass depending on who you're speaking to, even in just this thread. :3

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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bkev said:

I love how you go from kiss-ass to ass depending on who you're speaking to, even in just this thread. :3

 

i love how your just an ass no matter what thread you post in....

 

I have a bit of advice for you, FUCK OFF TROLL

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.