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Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. I didn't believe you at first, I just couldn't bring myself to, I was sure you were mistaken. They sure are flooding the market with these damn things.

I still cannot share others optimism that this means the originals are now becoming a standard part of home video releases of SW. They are ready have the GOUT put together and ready to go, all it takes is for them to press a few more copies and include it in the set as a cheap and cheaply made bonus disc, which somehow is suppose to put these on the standards of the PT DVDs (which were excellently done) and allows them to jack up the price.

Putting the unaltered trilogy on a blu-ray however, would be an entirely different story. Some love and care would have to go into the process, and that is something I have a hard time imagining LFL doing. It is not like they can just used the LD master again, which was their quick and simple solution last time around.

I really don't see this as anymore than the company trying to squeeze a few more dollars out of something they have already gone through the trouble to create. Obviously that is what it is.

With our luck, if we do get the originals on blu-ray, it will be a beautifully done standard definition, anamorphic widescreen, dual layer DVD, and it will look absolutely stunning! But only on outdated technology... and George will be slapping his knee until it turns black and blue he'll be laughing so hard.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I agree.  I think the optimism might come from this idea.  If the originals are presented alongside the SEs long enough and enough different releases, it'll seem stranger when they suddenly don't show up.  Lando's discovery marks the third separate packaging that these have appeared.  The only SE only DVD packages were '04 and '05.  So there have now been more DVD releases with the OOT than without it.  Does that necessarily mean anything?  Probably not.  Does it mean that fans will be up in arms or extremely confused if the OOT suddenly stops appearing?  Probably.  But that's never stopped George before.  Whenever they choose, they can fall back on the whole "limited edition" excuse that originally accompanied the '06 sets.

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Permeating the consciousness of your average joe as the two versions coming together as standard is good.

It's not like it will guarantee a proper restoration down the line, but it looks like another step up the ladder. He keeps claming the releases are "a limited time only" but we now see it isn't the case. I see it as Lucas starting to loosen his grip on sticking to "The SEs are the only versions!"

I'll tell you one thing, if the OOT was to get properly restored, it would be well within Lucas' ego-preservation to make it low-key. And he'd change his story to cover the period where he considered them "gone."

As I said: if.

I can live with 80% of the SE additions. I even like the PT (overall). But not releasing the OOT in respectable condition? That's unacceptable.

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Okay, Spike TV is currently running the SW films again for some strange reason, this "new old" packaging with the OOT in it *again* suddenly pops up and a horrible economy w/ lackluster holiday sales = to me that Luca$ will be issuing an SW Blu-Ray set very soon...my guess is that it will be close to May.  I mean seriously, this is typical Luca$ right now:  bleed the market dry and then immediately hit the next thing.  IMO he is tapping the DVD market as best he can now (and unloading product that has been laying around) because he knows that once an SW Blu-Ray set hits, SW DVD sales will quickly fall by the wayside.

That "new old" pacakging is a really weird move I must admit, though, even for Luca$...

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Got to love how it still says "limited time only."

I wouldn't bet on seeing a blu-ray release until after (or at least at the same time as) the 3D release, and my guess for that would still be next year. If anything were hitting this May, we'd know about it by now. Only false alarms like the GOUT are out of the blue.

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It seems like Lucas really doesn't feel like paying for the 3D thing until it becomes more cheap and commonplace. The bright side is that Star Trek and Lord of the Rings are doing their theatrical version-blurays sooner rather than later,  I guess because it gives them more opportunities to sell all the variations during the life of bluray. Let's hope LFL realizes there might be some bucks to be made doing it that way.

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Ripplin said:

The real problem with Amazon is that Tuskan Whole Milk is still currently unavailable! :(

http://www.amazon.com/Tuscan-Whole-Milk-Gallon-128/dp/B00032G1S0

If you haven't seen this before, you must check out the reviews! Hilariousness abounds! :D

OK, that is one of the funniest things I have ever seen...

 

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I'm with Gaffer & Doc on this one.  These future Blu-ray releases (if they end up happening) may mean nothing.  However, they are at least a sign that the OOT isn't automatically being swept under the rug anymore.  I don't really care what reasons\excuses\stories\etc Lucas comes up with when & if he finally releases Star Wars77 in it's best possible form.  I'll just buy it and watch it.

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C3PX said:

^ I especially liked the Clockwork Orange references.

 

I knew amazon started selling groceries a few years ago, but I just cannot imagine anyone going through the trouble to pay postage and packing on a gallon of milk. It have to be wrapped in some thermal material to keep it within a safe temperature during its travels, and gallons of milk are fragile things, doesn't take much to bust one of those suckers open. I find it hard to believe amazon ever sold that product, and if they did it is not hard to see why they no longer carry it.

http://www.amazon.com/Horizon-Organic-Reduced-8-Ounce-Aseptic/dp/B000LKVB52/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=grocery&qid=1231784454&sr=8-3

This kind can be stored in a pantry and doesn't need to be chilled until serving.  It only needs to be refrigerated after opening.  They also have scheduled deliveries so you aren't storing a bunch.

Low fat and non fat milk don't go bad that fast.  Whole milk usually only lasts a week, so it has to be kept cold longer.

 

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It is not the difference between low/non fat and whole milk, it is the difference in how it is prepared. This horizon milk to be kept in the pantry and not refrigerated would have to be radiated or go through some other process of killing off all the bacteria, which would mean you could keep it on the shelf for several months without it going bad, regardless of its fat content. The Tuscan stuff looks like just your typical 1 gallon of milk, which when left out of the cold for even a few hours can turn sour, even if it is reduced fat or skim milk.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Baronlando said:

yeah, they were just unpacking them at best buy. It's just the individual 2006 2-discers but with the 2004 covers and a sticker that says both versions are included. classy!

(in other words it's both discs in this...http://www.markrh.com/dvd/images/StarWarsVI-ReturnOfTheJedi.jpg

instead of...

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Return_of_the_Jedi/return_of_the_jedi_original_dvd.jpg

Huh. So, they had a bunch of those butt-ugly covers left over. I like the '06 covers MUCH better.

 

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Anchorhead said:

In all my years of posting on message boards & forums, I believe that is the most off-topic post I've ever made.

 

 

You've just taken your first step into a larger world... :)

 

 

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Huh. So, they had a bunch of those butt-ugly covers left over. I like the '06 covers MUCH better.

 

 I find them both to be unbearably unattractive, but I guess the '06s look a little better. I haven't seen the '04 cover for quite sometime, but they mesh better with the prequel covers don't they?

 

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Baronlando said:

It seems like Lucas really doesn't feel like paying for the 3D thing until it becomes more cheap and commonplace.

 

I just started a topic thread that has a link with some interesting info. on how 3D is currently moving along on the 'movie' front.  It might be relevant to what George's current plans for his saga in this format are going to be. 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/3D-Star-Wars-for-the-masses-anytime-soon/topic/10070/

 

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Mielr said:

Huh. So, they had a bunch of those butt-ugly covers left over. I like the '06 covers MUCH better.

 

 I find them both to be unbearably unattractive, but I guess the '06s look a little better. I haven't seen the '04 cover for quite sometime, but they mesh better with the prequel covers don't they?

 

I'm one of the few who actually likes the '06 covers, so I agree with Mielr.  Then again, I didn't hate the '04 covers, but I prefer the '06 covers.  I was actually quite fond of the idea of remaking the movie posters with the live actors.  I thought that was pretty cool, especially since the original posters are on the back.  In comparison, the '04 covers seem pretty empty, and the backs were just atrocious.  A landscape from the movie was the background, and that was okay, but the only screencap they have is a picture of the damned menu!  Who gives a rat's ass?!  I don't know if I've ever seen a movie that promoted its DVD release by using an image of the menu!  I'm exaggerating.  It doesn't really piss me off, but I have always found that rather odd.  And, yes, the front cover does sorta mesh with the prequel covers, except that while the prequels used a collection of the main characters, the '04 covers just seemed to use any combination of characters.  That doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, because the '97 posters did the same thing and turned out alright, but it is kinda weird.

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Fang Zei said:

Got to love how it still says "limited time only."

 

Ok, what says limted time only?

Because I was told on this board that the 2008 GOUT box sets weren't limited time only and they're not advertised as limited time only on Amazon. And the picture of the box that I've seen doesn't show "limited" said anywhere, limted edition or limited time. The 2004 sets are out of print, so they need a regular edition of the OT and the 2008 GOUT sets seem to be it.

So can somebody clear this up for me. Are the 2008 GOUT box sets limited time only or not?

 

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sorry wrong thread.

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Johnny Ringo said:

...or $40 for 4 episodes?

Seriously? Wow. Robbery. Mind you, HBO used to have horrendous prices on some of their series season sets, but at least the shows were quality. $40 for four silly fucking episodes with Joe Shmoe dork Anakin running around. This is dirty.

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Digital bits' Rumor mill... Has has some more rumors about OT blu ray box set in 2010...

 

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Vaderisnothayden said:
Johnny Ringo said:

...or $40 for 4 episodes?

Seriously? Wow. Robbery. Mind you, HBO used to have horrendous prices on some of their series season sets, but at least the shows were quality. $40 for four silly fucking episodes with Joe Shmoe dork Anakin running around. This is dirty.

If 40 is the MSRP it well probably be $15 on Amazon. 

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Clone-Galaxy-Divided/dp/B001E533E0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1233508602&sr=8-7

oops...I overshot it. $13.99 :p

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If Raiders is the version they showed on tv with the added cgi shot, consider me not interested in the Blu Ray.

They can add all the crappy new cgi they want to crystal Numbskulls, but leave the original trilogy alone.

If the star wars movies being released on blu ray are the prequels i am not buying them again i already have those shitty films in standard def dvd. 

If the 2004 cut of the star wars trilogy ever comes out on blu ray i might as well buy it since their is no way in hell Lucas will ever pay to restore the original versions and the gout is the best we can hope for.

I'd rather have the films in some form, rather than no form.  Even though i cannot stand the special editions.  Those scenes that have not had cgi added to them will never look better than in 1080p unless you have a pristine 35mm anamorphic print and the projection equipment.

I wish the audio glitches, the lightsabers would be fixed, and the colors corrected and the garbage mattes removed.  Han should shoot first.  All the new cgi should be replaced with cgi that augments the original effects and not cartooney shit just thrown in there.

How about a non restored anamorphic versions of the oot in HD, how much would that cost Lucas?

How much would a true restoration cost, millions probably i am guessing since there are optical elements in 65mm 8 perf vistavision, plus the 35mm live action photography.

These vistavison plates in the seventies were reduction printed to 4 perf 35mm.  But a true restoration would need to go back to the original plates that are without that extra step of generation loss. 

Other VistaVision films are now being scanned in at 6 to 8 k.  The 65mm optical effects on Blade Runner were scanned at what 8K.

Go back and scan in the 70mm magnetic six tracks for all 3 original films.  And the original mono mix for star wars.  I don't believe that Lucas would have thrown these away.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Honestly, I wish Lucas had never bothered with the GOUT. It has caused us so much frustration that I just wish he had held off until he was going to show the films proper treatment.