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looks good

Monroville said:

I don't know how this works, but here is an alternative blueprint:



I don't know how the entire carbonite platform would fit inside the very top without completely re-designing the Pod,

There's the little matter of something about this whole sequence that I'm going to try and cover shortly, that I don't remember anyone bringing up yet....and it's a doozy if I'm right.

i think alot of those books were made to make money, not sense.

adywan said:

Monroville said:

Also consider elongating this tunnel, since the central vent pod he is descending to is quite a bit further out from the central vent walls in the following outside shot (seen below).


CENTRAL VENT POD FINAL FIGHT:

There are some architectural issues going on here.  As you can see in #1, you can see the tunnel Luke came in from in the previous scene (you can see it connects at a diagonal -30°).  #2 has an arrow to show where this tunnel is/ where Luke came from.  #3 has an orange box around the window Luke will be thrown out of.  #4 you can again see the tunnel hatch from where Luke came from.

#5 is where the problem begins.  The orange hash-mark shows where the vent pod SHOULD be connected to the main shaft; yet the connection is much lower.

My suggestion is to move the connecting arm to the upper part of the pod to accomodate the tunnel Luke comes from, and move the platform Luke is holding onto and the gantryway that Luke loses his arm on to the lower area of the pod.  This gives Luke a greater distance to fall (@ a 40 foot drop as opposed to 5 feet right outside the window) as well as give Vader some levels to go down to get to Luke.  It would also give Luke the possibility of escape as well as negate any chance of hiim just climbing back into the window he was thrown out of.

#6 suggests moving the window Luke came out of higher to accomodate the gantry arm being moved to the lower area of the pod.

the whole problem with the vent and the position of the carbon chamber , i really don't know how i'm going to tackle this. in the cutaway illustrations they have placed the carbon chamber in the dome above the window, but this doesn't make sense as where the hell are the corridors that luke followed Liea and the gang through before being elevated upwards into the carbon chamber. it all doesn't make sense at all. the only idea i had is that before he enters the small tunnel, instead of seeing the last few frames of him climbing down a ladder, that i add him coming out of some sort of lift, but that still doesn't really sort out the problem. I'm probably going to have to redesign the whole vane matte shots to try and bring some believability to the whole sequence.

 

Okay, I'll admit that I'm officially confused about the sequence of current shots here in 'Empire', and am pretty hacked-off with the overall 'continuity control' here, if my suspicions are right!  However, I'll see what everyone else thinks on this, especially Adywan -

Firstly, compared to what we see in the actual movie, I have to say that I've never ever agreed with ANY of the 'schematic cutaway layouts' that make out that the 'Carbon Freeze Chamber' set is positioned somewhere above the round 'window' of the suspended 'Central Vent Pod' that Luke crashes through eventually....  I've never paid them any attention to them whatsoever, irrespective of what they claim! 

My own starting off position on this, has ALWAYS been that the 'Carbon Freeze Chamber' (and the entrance into it) is instead located 'somewhere' in the surrounding 'wrap-around' structure....and is 'somewhere' above the position of where the start of the long 'extending support arm' to the large 'Vent Pod', begins on that 'surrounding' structure.

Therefore I always see it that when Luke jumps down off the 'platform' (Adywan is removing his slight 'bounce back up' from the shot), after forcing Vader to fall off it several seconds earlier, that he has gone lower down to look for Vader and comes to the start of the long 'extending support arm' leading to the large 'Vent Pod', and starts to walk through the narrow 'access tunnel' inside this adjoining 'arm', that lights up as he enters to walk through it.  (As seen in top shot above)    Note:  does that 'schematic cutaway layout' of the 'Vent Pod' in a previous post actually show this 'access tunnel' inside the 'support arm'?  Could be....   

We then cut to him exiting out of the other end of what would have been a fairly long 'access tunnel', and into the actual large 'Vent Pod' itself at this point, where the 'gates' to the 'access tunnel' then shut behind him.  (As seen in bottom shot above)  And like certain other shots in 'Empire', I see this as one of those 'brief jump ahead' cuts which gets to the relevant action quicker, before we continue in 'real-time' again.  (Vader of course, had gotten there the same way, just a little beforehand, as he had several seconds start on Luke, before Luke followed down after him from the platform earlier)

However, it's at this point now, that the 'positioning' and 'continuity' start to go out the window (no pun intended) for me, where this whole suspended 'Vent Pod' structure is concerned....  If this has been brought up elsewhere, I haven't noticed, but here's the thing then -

If, as others have agreed, Luke is in fact entering into the 'Vent Pod' from the direction of the 'access tunnel' inside the long 'extending support arm', then that means ALL of the subsequent shots of the outside of the 'Vent Pod' structure are the wrong way round....because the round window that Luke falls through, is on his LEFT-hand side as he exits the 'access tunnel' into the 'Vent Pod'....NOT the RIGHT-hand side that we are currently shown instead!   Ontop of that, as Monroville said, the long 'extending supporting arm' itself should be HIGHER up, more level with the round window on the 'Vent Pod'!!

(Enlarge Monroville's 'thumbnail'shots as seen in the middle above, for a reminder of the interior layout as Luke enters into the 'Vent Pod', and imagine him as having come through the long 'extending support arm')

Now unless Adywan says different, if he decides that Luke does indeed come through this 'access tunnel', and that the 'Carbon Chamber' is indeed 'somewhere' on the other side of the long 'extending support arm'....then this causes a him a few headaches I'd imagine.  I know he's full of surprising ways out of things, but I'll just use the existing footage for an example of what problems this causes him, in my next post, even if he does choose the easiest route out....

In the Wampa's cave, at the moment Luke ignites his sabre...I believe we can hear it turning on twice.

Okay, using just this one shot for reference, seeing as it's handy -

The suspended 'Vent Pod' shown here is too narrow to incorporate the 'Carbon Chamber' for a start, and there are also 2 other shots that show the window that Luke fell through as being on the OTHER side of the structure, compared to what the 'interior' shots showed....which is wrong I believe.  The other 2 are when we first 'zoom-in' on the suspended 'Vent Pod', and the other is when we then see a 'closer' shot of Luke making his way back along the narrow 'walkway' towards the entrance, after falling through the round window.

So the simplest thing to do of course, is to 'flip' the shots of the 'Vent Pod's' exterior into reverse, so that the window now seems to be on the side that Luke actually fell out of, according to the 'interior' shots.  (Note:  this particular shot above only shows the extending short 'gantry' that Vader duels with Luke on.  The long 'extending support arm' should be seen added in, going off into the distance behind, somewhat level with where the round window is positioned, to match what is indicated in the 'interior' set

However, although Luke and Vader are small enough in the shots to 'get away' with 'flipping' them....it is still possible to see that Luke is wearing a gunbelt on his right-hand side, and this would be tricky to amend I'd imagine.  On top of this, Adywan would have the issue of Luke also holding his Lightsaber in his right hand to contend with, as he first makes his way back along the narrow 'walkway' after hanging onto to it.  He is seen to touch the side of the 'Vent Pod' a couple of times as he heads along to re-enter it.  Both of these things would also 'reverse' if the shots were 'flipped', and will be tricky to sort.  We'll see what he decides. 

Darth Wagner said:

In the movie it's not specified how many tunnels Luke uses to get from the carbon chamber to that round window chamber. Theoretically there  may be more different tunnels Luke uses - that would be an "exuse" for the wrong position of a round window chamber regarding extended arm access tunnel which Luke entered and exited in the movie.

Not quite sure I'm getting what you mean here Darth Wagner.  Surely there is only one  possible route of access to the suspended 'Vent Pod' as far as any kind of 'access tunnel' is concerned, and that is the single long 'extending support arm' isn't it?

To finish off with a couple of other things with this sequence that I'd like to see done, if possible -

When Vader 'breaks' off the FIRST large section behind Luke to 'throw' at him....just at the point that Luke strikes it with his Lightsaber, you can make out (if you 'freeze-frame' it anyway - it's also visible in shot 4 of Monroville's 'thumbnail' shots in a recent post, and he has put a rectangle around it) that on the left of the shot, above Vader's helmet, that we see the 'gate' is no longer shut in front of the 'access tunnel' that Luke exited from.  In fact, at this point you can see a little bit of the 'gate' at the top.  Yet later on again, at the point where we are looking at Vader 'breaking off' his SECOND large section to aim at Luke, that the 'gate' looks like it is shut again now!  No biggie though.

What has always been a biggie to me though, is the fact that in the 2 shots preceeding Luke crashing through the window, that the actual window frame 'pattern' is a lot more complete than it is in the shot where Luke hits it.  I know there is a very brief shot in-between, showing the back of Luke as Vader clings onto the 'pillar' opposite the window, and that some of the 'debris' may have smashed more of it during this time....but it seems too short for this to have happened to satisfy me.

I'd love to see the frame 'pattern' added in to be the same as the 2 preceding shots, up until Luke actually makes contact with it, as he falls out!  I reckon this would tie-in far more plausibly because of the briefness of the intervening shot between them. 

Just an aside -  I originally thought that the circular 'table-like' structure that is beside the 'access tunnel' that Luke exits out of, was missing some of the bits on top of it later on, after Vader has 'broken off' the large piece immediately above it, to throw at Luke. 

I realise now that those same pieces must have been 'ripped off' the top of it (along with other 'debris'), once the window smashed, and there was a sudden rush of 'air compression'!  :)

Ah, I see what you're getting at now, Darth Wagner.  I take it you mean that if the lower-down 'positioning' of the long 'extended support arm' currently attached to the large 'Vent Pod' structure in the movie was left as it is, that Luke could have reached the end of it (and thus reached the 'Vent Pod' itself), BUT THEN travelled 'upwards' in some way....possibly through a more vertical-angled 'tunnel', or shaft, OR lift, which then eventually connects to, or brings him to the FINAL 'access tunnel' - that he eventually pops out of beside the window.

(This means the 'brief jump ahead' that I mentioned, jumps ahead a lot further than I thought....)

AND I see now that this means that there could ALSO be a case made now, to account plausibly for how he is actually now beside the window shown in the 'Vent Pod' exteriors, which is the opposite of the one I thought it was after all....

I dunno, it seems a bit of a stretch for the flow of the action shown, but I understand that my alternatives mean a few tricky issues for Adywan to attend to.

By the way, in the absence of screenshot examples, check out the 'Vent Pod' exterior shots by looking at them in a 'mirror', to get an idea of the way I think they should ideally have looked from the beginning.