adywan said:Monroville said:
Also consider elongating this tunnel, since the central vent pod he is descending to is quite a bit further out from the central vent walls in the following outside shot (seen below).
CENTRAL VENT POD FINAL FIGHT:
There are some architectural issues going on here. As you can see in #1, you can see the tunnel Luke came in from in the previous scene (you can see it connects at a diagonal -30°). #2 has an arrow to show where this tunnel is/ where Luke came from. #3 has an orange box around the window Luke will be thrown out of. #4 you can again see the tunnel hatch from where Luke came from.
#5 is where the problem begins. The orange hash-mark shows where the vent pod SHOULD be connected to the main shaft; yet the connection is much lower.
My suggestion is to move the connecting arm to the upper part of the pod to accomodate the tunnel Luke comes from, and move the platform Luke is holding onto and the gantryway that Luke loses his arm on to the lower area of the pod. This gives Luke a greater distance to fall (@ a 40 foot drop as opposed to 5 feet right outside the window) as well as give Vader some levels to go down to get to Luke. It would also give Luke the possibility of escape as well as negate any chance of hiim just climbing back into the window he was thrown out of.
#6 suggests moving the window Luke came out of higher to accomodate the gantry arm being moved to the lower area of the pod.the whole problem with the vent and the position of the carbon chamber , i really don't know how i'm going to tackle this. in the cutaway illustrations they have placed the carbon chamber in the dome above the window, but this doesn't make sense as where the hell are the corridors that luke followed Liea and the gang through before being elevated upwards into the carbon chamber. it all doesn't make sense at all. the only idea i had is that before he enters the small tunnel, instead of seeing the last few frames of him climbing down a ladder, that i add him coming out of some sort of lift, but that still doesn't really sort out the problem. I'm probably going to have to redesign the whole vane matte shots to try and bring some believability to the whole sequence.
Okay, I'll admit that I'm officially confused about the sequence of current shots here in 'Empire', and am pretty hacked-off with the overall 'continuity control' here, if my suspicions are right! However, I'll see what everyone else thinks on this, especially Adywan -
Firstly, compared to what we see in the actual movie, I have to say that I've never ever agreed with ANY of the 'schematic cutaway layouts' that make out that the 'Carbon Freeze Chamber' set is positioned somewhere above the round 'window' of the suspended 'Central Vent Pod' that Luke crashes through eventually.... I've never paid them any attention to them whatsoever, irrespective of what they claim!
My own starting off position on this, has ALWAYS been that the 'Carbon Freeze Chamber' (and the entrance into it) is instead located 'somewhere' in the surrounding 'wrap-around' structure....and is 'somewhere' above the position of where the start of the long 'extending support arm' to the large 'Vent Pod', begins on that 'surrounding' structure.
Therefore I always see it that when Luke jumps down off the 'platform' (Adywan is removing his slight 'bounce back up' from the shot), after forcing Vader to fall off it several seconds earlier, that he has gone lower down to look for Vader and comes to the start of the long 'extending support arm' leading to the large 'Vent Pod', and starts to walk through the narrow 'access tunnel' inside this adjoining 'arm', that lights up as he enters to walk through it. (As seen in top shot above) Note: does that 'schematic cutaway layout' of the 'Vent Pod' in a previous post actually show this 'access tunnel' inside the 'support arm'? Could be....
We then cut to him exiting out of the other end of what would have been a fairly long 'access tunnel', and into the actual large 'Vent Pod' itself at this point, where the 'gates' to the 'access tunnel' then shut behind him. (As seen in bottom shot above) And like certain other shots in 'Empire', I see this as one of those 'brief jump ahead' cuts which gets to the relevant action quicker, before we continue in 'real-time' again. (Vader of course, had gotten there the same way, just a little beforehand, as he had several seconds start on Luke, before Luke followed down after him from the platform earlier)
However, it's at this point now, that the 'positioning' and 'continuity' start to go out the window (no pun intended) for me, where this whole suspended 'Vent Pod' structure is concerned.... If this has been brought up elsewhere, I haven't noticed, but here's the thing then -
If, as others have agreed, Luke is in fact entering into the 'Vent Pod' from the direction of the 'access tunnel' inside the long 'extending support arm', then that means ALL of the subsequent shots of the outside of the 'Vent Pod' structure are the wrong way round....because the round window that Luke falls through, is on his LEFT-hand side as he exits the 'access tunnel' into the 'Vent Pod'....NOT the RIGHT-hand side that we are currently shown instead! Ontop of that, as Monroville said, the long 'extending supporting arm' itself should be HIGHER up, more level with the round window on the 'Vent Pod'!!
(Enlarge Monroville's 'thumbnail'shots as seen in the middle above, for a reminder of the interior layout as Luke enters into the 'Vent Pod', and imagine him as having come through the long 'extending support arm')
Now unless Adywan says different, if he decides that Luke does indeed come through this 'access tunnel', and that the 'Carbon Chamber' is indeed 'somewhere' on the other side of the long 'extending support arm'....then this causes a him a few headaches I'd imagine. I know he's full of surprising ways out of things, but I'll just use the existing footage for an example of what problems this causes him, in my next post, even if he does choose the easiest route out....